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RE: Turn 20 - 2/12/2014 11:16:25 AM   
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You have very good comanders at front level , but being overloaded does not defeat the pourpose ?

Gennerally I make sure armies get the best leaders, and use whatever front leader I get for free.




Its one of a number of things that I am slowly feeling my way about. My instinct is that I'm better with the better commanders at the Front level and accept a small overload. Most of the current problems will be solved when the N Cauc front is fully available and the Volkhov Front activates.




If the front hq is 6 hexes from the combat unit involved ,your leader ( Meretskov) has a 27 % chance to cover the admin failings of
his subordinates without any overloading , being overloaded with 10 points reduces that to 18%.

the bigest problem for red army is the initiative rating , as such a leader like Vatutin (7) should not be overloaded , right now the chance to make the check is 12 % instead of 31%. (assuming he front hq is 6 hexes from the combat unit involved ).




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RE: Turn 20 - 2/13/2014 7:32:56 PM   
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If the front hq is 6 hexes from the combat unit involved ,your leader ( Meretskov) has a 27 % chance to cover the admin failings of
his subordinates without any overloading , being overloaded with 10 points reduces that to 18%.

the bigest problem for red army is the initiative rating , as such a leader like Vatutin (7) should not be overloaded , right now the chance to make the check is 12 % instead of 31%. (assuming he front hq is 6 hexes from the combat unit involved ).



I must admit quite a few of my fronts are further back so as to avoid deaths of key commanders. Next turn it looks better as I have the Caucasus MD as a full Front, with the Volkhov Front in late November, I should be down to small overloads for the winter offensive.


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8 – 14 November: 'Nor wheeled on roads of snow' (turn 21) - 2/13/2014 7:37:23 PM   
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The second week of November saw further shifts of weather. The rain that had stalled all operations at Moscow now set off a thaw in the western regions of the USSR. However, the Moscow sector saw the first sustained snowfalls of the winter.



The mud behind the German lines disrupted any axis attempts to curb the growing partisan bands. The result was rails were blown south of Vilnius, on the Luga (where the partisans seemed to be in complete control) and north of Odessa.



Stavka continued to allocate substantial amounts of manpower and supplies to bolster the war behind the German lines. With roads blocked by mud and vehicles breaking down in the cold, it was hoped that a sustained partisan war could destabilise the entire German supply effort.

However, the arrival of snow and frost meant the German offensive at Moscow was renewed. North of the Moskva river, their progress was measured in miles as Kalinin and Moscow Front formations defended the fortifications constructed in the last 3 weeks.

South of the Moskva, the Germans made more progress to the north of Kaluga.



Both armies had identified Kaluga as key to the battle for Moscow. Even as 2 German Panzer Corps tried to cut the city off to the north, Stavka ordered Western Front's 3 and 10 Armies over to the offensive south of the Oka.






Elements of 3 Army in action

In an attempt to overwhelm the Germans on the Kursk-Bryansk sector, the offensive was widened to include the freshly arrived Leningrad Front, elements of Bryansk Front and SW Front. Despite the threat of a large Panzer reserve north of Kursk, Soviet forces struck along a 60-70 km front, driving exposed German infantry formations back.


[1]
A lesser offensive south of Voronezh relieved the pressure on that city and allowed SW Front to pull 6 Army fully into reserve. Slowly elite Siberian formations, units that had been rebuilt from the disasters of the summer and a substantial moblie reserve was being accumulated south of Moscow.

In an attempt to keep the Germans off balance, the newly designated N Caucasus Front attempted several naval raids. The attempted landing at Mariupol was a disaster but marines were put ashore south of Nikolaev and sought to join up with the local partisan formations in an attempt to cut the German rail line supplying their forces in the Crimea.



At the same time, the VVS was overhauled and a number of incompetent commanders replaced.


[2]

In addition the VVS took advantage of the re-organisation to re-equip. A number of bomber regiments shifted from the older SB-2s to the modern Pe-2s and fighter squadrons started to train on the new lend-lease Hurricanes and P-40s.


[3]


P40 in testing near Moscow

With the Caucasus Front now designated a combat front and 11 Army transferred from NW Front to the Urals MD, slowly the battered Red Army regained its balance.



Losses reflected the return of intense combat. 28,000 Axis and 48,000 Soviet soldiers were killed or badly wounded and the Germans lost 112 tanks and the Soviets 417 (as the new tank brigades began to reach the front in substantial numbers). In the air, 56 German and 156 Soviet aircraft were lost.

[1] – oddly I'd now quite like to provoke those Panzers into battle. With one week of November lost, I'm confident of holding Tula and Kaluga unless SigUp heavily commits all his forces. My logic is I have more chance of doing real damage in December if his main reserve is exhausted by having to fight in November ... I may be wrong ...
[2] – I've made use of all the admin points allocated along with N Cauc Front to make a start on sorting out the air OOB
[3] – Soviet accounts report that the P-40 was less than ideal. Soviet fighter design stressed speed and manouverability, the P-40s were relatively slow but better armoured and with more powerful machine guns. The result was the squadrons that used them had to adopt different tactics to those usually used by the VVS. Also the unusual design meant they were often targets for Soviet AA fire.



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RE: 8 – 14 November: 'Nor wheeled on roads of snow' (tu... - 2/13/2014 8:24:21 PM   
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The mud behind the German lines disrupted any axis attempts to curb the growing partisan bands.


I always hate the mud turns when playing as the Germans for exactly this reason.  No matter how well the partisans are controlled beforehand, they seem to proliferate wildly at the first sign of mud -- just when their damage is most difficult to contain and repair.  But I guess that's good news for you!

Those are rather high AFV losses, for both sides actually, but especially for you.  Does your production make that up?  I would guess not.

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RE: 8 – 14 November: 'Nor wheeled on roads of snow' (tu... - 2/14/2014 12:25:00 AM   
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a good read, Loki (as usual, one might add).
And I don't think it's all lost, assuming that he won't run away during blizzard (hey, that's being as realistic as panzers in Vladivostok) you could hit the very same victims again and again; seeing CVs of 4 and 5 and a trashed Gebirgsjaeger before winter is great.
And yeah, this is simply your fight for survival.
As it should be.
keep on, happy hunting

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RE: 8 – 14 November: 'Nor wheeled on roads of snow' (tu... - 2/18/2014 9:55:47 PM   
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The mud behind the German lines disrupted any axis attempts to curb the growing partisan bands.


I always hate the mud turns when playing as the Germans for exactly this reason. No matter how well the partisans are controlled beforehand, they seem to proliferate wildly at the first sign of mud -- just when their damage is most difficult to contain and repair. But I guess that's good news for you!

Those are rather high AFV losses, for both sides actually, but especially for you. Does your production make that up? I would guess not.



at the moment, I'm ok for tanks. About 10-15% of the tank brigades have no tanks but most of the rest have 30 or so (depends on how I've used the refit options) and most are around 50 morale. So even if just used for reserve activation, they will be very useful in the next phase. Its artillery I'm struggling for, although I am adding about 1300 per turn (net) I'm still at rock bottom for armaments.

I've scaled back the partisan resupply work as of now (partly to rest the Il-4s), but plan a massive surge in time for the winter offensive. If I get really lucky, I may just manage to put a significant sector out of supply or really hinder SigUp's ability to respond if I shift angle of attack.

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a good read, Loki (as usual, one might add).
And I don't think it's all lost, assuming that he won't run away during blizzard (hey, that's being as realistic as panzers in Vladivostok) you could hit the very same victims again and again; seeing CVs of 4 and 5 and a trashed Gebirgsjaeger before winter is great.
And yeah, this is simply your fight for survival.
As it should be.
keep on, happy hunting



thank you.

And to pick up on your other comment, one reason I finally gave up on HOI3 was it was clear it was never going to be a challenge, unless you kept on stepping in to help the AI. Unfortunately Paradox crafted a complex, easy to win game.

Do much prefer MP and the gain of PBEM is you can both play at your leisure.

This does feel suitably grim, and I keep on reading STEF78's AAR and having a panic.

There is no sign of the Wehrmacht making a run for Poland – in truth with the mild blizzard they should be able to hold onto some key terrain. I'm just hoping that lots of well rested cavalry will prove to be very disruptive, especially allied to my best infantry divisions all pulled into a few designated armies ...

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15 – 21 November 1941: 'Unto the East Again' (turn 22) - 2/18/2014 10:00:50 PM   
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As November advanced, Stavka continued to face its twin challenge of limiting any German gains while building up a reserve for the planned offensive. Equally it faced the problem of ensuring the main axis of the counterattack would do as much damage as possible.

Across much of the front, only very limited fighting took place but where the two sides clashed a combination of Soviet determination to give no more ground and German desire to secure their objectives meant it was vicious. By the end of the week, the Axis forces had lost 22,000 men and the Soviets 38,000. German tank losses remained high with 102 German tanks destroyed for 154 Soviet. In the air, the VVS' new hit and run tactics proved effective with only 73 planes lost for 54 Germans.

The main fighting was around Kaluga where, to the Soviet's surprise the city fell to an early attack as a concentrated German blow overwhelmed the substantial fortifications that had been built up since early October.




(elements of 4 Army in action at Kaluga)

To the south, Stavka suspended the offensive as it was clear the Germans had committed at least one of their Panzer Groups to shore up their front. A final Panzer Group was identified still in reserve north of Kursk.

To the rear, partisan raids continued with their main rail in the Ukraine blown west of Kiev and the Vitebsk partisan group back in action hitting the supply lines to Army Group Centre.




(Partisan sabotage squad north of Vyazma)

Overall, the Red Army was slowly building up its strength. Artillery remained in short supply but over 5 million were now under arms and a further 300,000 in reserve. The bulk were still deployed around Moscow where Kalinin, Western, Moscow and Leningrad Fronts had 1.6 million men, 630 tanks and 1200 planes. In the northern part of the Ukraine, Bryansk and SW Fronts had some 800,000 men, 750 tanks and 750 planes.



The bulk of the front remained static but steadily more formations were pulled into reserve and fresh rifle divisions relieved some units that had been in action constantly since June.



Planning for the winter offensive was well advanced. Almost every major front had at least one army in reserve. The question was where to launch the main attack.




To the north of Moscow, the German lines facing NW Front were anchored on the cities of Torzhok and Kalinin and the bulk of one Panzer Group was deployed in the salient NW of Moscow.

West of Moscow was another Panzer Group and the best infantry in the German army. However, the latter had been involved in the attritional battles of the past 6 weeks but represented a formidable foe for Kalinin Front.

To the south, Western Front had inflicted heavy losses on the German infantry but again their defensive lines had been reinforced by the bulk of a Panzer Group.

South of Voronezh, the strung out formations of Southern and Caucasus Front faced equally stretched German and Rumanian units. However, these formations lacked mobile units and faced the challenge of crossing the Don. The river had stalled the final German offensives but presented a barrier in turn to any Soviet counterattack.

This analysis left one logical sector where the Germans did not have the advantage of a river line or large cities. A Soviet offensive in the Tula-Voronezh sector led by Bryansk and Leningrad Fronts seemed to offer the greatest opportunities. A threat to the rear of Axis forces further south would probably allow limited gains in that sector.

Equally a determined push towards Bryansk might help disrupt the German defenses around Moscow. The problem was this plan was probably obvious to both sides and a powerful Panzer group was in reserve north of Kursk. The realistic alternative was to use Leningrad Front as a decoy and rather than commit it south of Moscow redeploy it to the north. That would leave the southern hook heavily dependent on cavalry formations but might allow a reduction of the German salient to the north of Moscow.




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RE: 15 – 21 November 1941: 'Unto the East Again' (turn... - 2/19/2014 12:39:13 PM   
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KUDOS for the excellent AAR, analysis, play, and commentary the best. Thanks.

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RE: 15 – 21 November 1941: 'Unto the East Again' (turn... - 2/19/2014 12:43:01 PM   
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Thanks, Loki, for another great chapter of your story.  IMHO you would do well to get those winter gains under the normal blizzard rules, let alone the milder version you have here.  But it will be interesting to see.

The fall of Kaluga is a bitter blow as you had fought so hard to keep it (equally SigUp fought so hard to take it!)  Kalinin and Kaluga really seem to anchor the Moscow front.  If SigUp can hold those during the winter, then he would be set up in '42 for a good attack on Moscow itself.  Good luck with the winter!

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RE: 15 – 21 November 1941: 'Unto the East Again' (turn... - 2/23/2014 7:32:22 AM   
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KUDOS for the excellent AAR, analysis, play, and commentary the best. Thanks.


thank you, glad its useful and interest

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Thanks, Loki, for another great chapter of your story. IMHO you would do well to get those winter gains under the normal blizzard rules, let alone the milder version you have here. But it will be interesting to see.

The fall of Kaluga is a bitter blow as you had fought so hard to keep it (equally SigUp fought so hard to take it!) Kalinin and Kaluga really seem to anchor the Moscow front. If SigUp can hold those during the winter, then he would be set up in '42 for a good attack on Moscow itself. Good luck with the winter!



Aye, I think you can regard that line as Stalin's fantasies while lurking deep beneath the Kremlin. In reality I'll settle for shaking SigUp loose of his current lines to the south of Moscow.

My fear is he now has all the fortresses that protect Mosow (Kalinin, Rzhev, Vyazma and Kaluga), that will shore up his winter lines, esp as it is now feasible for the Germans to counterattack in January and leave him well placed to attack Moscow next year.

Kaluga proved that if he wants something badly enough, he can take it – I suspect he has an infantry corps or two optimised for that sort of assault work. I have a belt of forts between the front and Moscow but its not impregnable, and I have to guard against a hook from north or south.

Despite of course believing that the winter offensive will end with the Red Army in Berlin, I'm actually evacuating all the Moscow factories. This is a good time to do it as I have a fair bit of spare rail capacity and they should be up and running again by next summer.

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22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 2/23/2014 7:36:24 AM   
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For the soldiers of both armies this period had the feeling of waiting for something to happen. Stavka continued to reinforce certain sections and build up its reserves. Paratroop formations were pulled out of the line and back to airbases and the great bulk of the VVS remained in deep reserve. It was clear to both sides that, at least briefly, the balance had changed. For the first time since June it was the Red Army that would determine where, and when, the next round of major operations took place.

In certain sectors, any idea of a period of calm, was but an illusion. Soviet partisans struck in the Ukraine, launched a major attack at Minsk and a smaller operation in the Valdai.



At the very least, all this was designed to force the Germans to allocate substantial forces to rear area security. The attacks also hampered their ability to shift forces to threatened sectors and interupted already stretched supply lines.

The Germans launched a number of localised attacks designed to secure a better defensive position or to drive back Red Army probes. In the south, Kerch fell, around Moscow both sides traded blows as they sought to test out the intentions of their opponent.



To the north of Moscow, the Panzer and Motorised formations were pulled from the front. In a reconnaisance attack NW Front's 55 Army was badly beaten but in turn revealed that the Germans had redeployed their Panzers to act as a localised reserve. West of Moscow, elements of Kalinin Front probed the German lines near Reza. Again the attack was a bloody failure but the initial assault destroyed their prepared fortifications, opening the way for a future offensive.


(Soviet units moving up to the front on the Moskva-Volga canal)

To the south of the Oka, the German Panzer Group was trapped in the front lines as the infantry in that sector had been badly beaten in the recent battles. Elements of 3 and 10 Armies hit the exposed III Panzer Corps even as the fresh formations of Leningrad Front filtered into their attack positions.



For the first time, Soviet forces deployed a new weapon, the multiple rocket launchers had proved to be highly effective at creating panic in the German defenders. Substantial numbers were now being allocated to the assault formations of Leningrad Front.



Stavka was content to use the battered formations of Western Front in a series of spoiling attacks, as it had taken substantial losses in the Kaluga battles and was not capable of sustained operations without a major refit. Any success would ease the subsequent attacks by Leningrad and Bryansk Fronts.

Steadily, the Soviet armed forces were recovering. There were 5.4 million men under arms (a leap of 200,000 in the last week), supported by 46,500 guns (an increase of 1,500) and 3,400 tanks (an increase of 200).



The relative shift in the tempo of combat was reflected in the losses of the two armies. The Axis forces lost 22,500 men, 82 tanks and 37 aircraft. Soviet losses were 26,000 men, 5 tanks and 144 aircraft (50 of which were SB-2s lost in a disastrous raid on German airfields near Rzhev).


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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 2/25/2014 6:49:28 PM   
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Very interesting AAR, well written and described

I wish I would be able to write such sentences in english!

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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 2/28/2014 5:11:12 PM   
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Nasty surprise to see Kaluga fall (and the disparity in losses - strongly in SigUp's favor - doesn't make it any more palatable). Yes, I realize I'm late to the party (I only drop in every so often here - even reading about this game is kinda intimidating).

So, despite your concerns about the loss of protective fortresses around Moscow, you're still planning to go ahead with an offensive. I guess you really don't have much of a choice and I guess that an all-out concentration on the approaches to Moscow would be counterproductive, as the Germans are at their strongest there and you would have trouble getting all your forces crammed into such a small place anyway. Still, I'm glad I don't have to deal with your predicament, as I don't see any easy or obvious way to lift the threat to Moscow.

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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 2/28/2014 7:27:22 PM   
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...even reading about this game is kinda intimidating.



Heh. That's the beauty of this colossal masterpiece. On topic, IMHO the pressure is really on Loki to have a great winter -- else 1942 will bring some very bad news.

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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 3/1/2014 6:36:18 AM   
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Very interesting AAR, well written and described

I wish I would be able to write such sentences in english!


Thank you, as you know I’m following your game closely (and with mounting panic). I guess I do have the advantage that I write for a living …

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Nasty surprise to see Kaluga fall (and the disparity in losses - strongly in SigUp's favor - doesn't make it any more palatable). Yes, I realize I'm late to the party (I only drop in every so often here - even reading about this game is kinda intimidating).

So, despite your concerns about the loss of protective fortresses around Moscow, you're still planning to go ahead with an offensive. I guess you really don't have much of a choice and I guess that an all-out concentration on the approaches to Moscow would be counterproductive, as the Germans are at their strongest there and you would have trouble getting all your forces crammed into such a small place anyway. Still, I'm glad I don't have to deal with your predicament, as I don't see any easy or obvious way to lift the threat to Moscow.


Aye, I was really hoping to keep Kaluga, my view was it would take him one more turn to encircle the city and that it might fall just as I started the counterattack. This is the first time (well apart from Rostov which is geographically sort of the end of the line anyway) that SigUp has just gone in hard and routed me out.

The game is really deep, but its also a bit like the AGE games. You can spend ages understanding how that game engine handles frontage, range, target selection etc and build your moves around that. Or take a broadly common sense model and do that.

Clearly in PBEM doing the second against someone who does the first is asking for disaster, but you can learn a lot vs the AI basically building up your knowledge.

I’ve just had back the last axis turn before the blizzard strikes, so a lot to mull over, in doing my final preparations.

The only real problem in this game is there are a lot of ‘rich get richer’ loops and very few that trigger major reversals. One reason we are using restricted logistics is to see if that recreates the historical pattern of offensives just stalling. Having said that, the next phase sees an imposed set of rules to simulate the shock of the Soviet counterattack. So I should make progress in December/January, maybe some in February – though its equally possible we may both stand off at at that stage.

I need a large army in 1942, and a plan – as above STEF78 has just produced a masterclass in how dangerous the Germans can be in 1942.

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...even reading about this game is kinda intimidating.



Heh. That's the beauty of this colossal masterpiece. On topic, IMHO the pressure is really on Loki to have a great winter -- else 1942 will bring some very bad news.


Yep, no pressure …

Actually I’m very aware I need to get this right – I basically have two choices … go out to basically kill Axis forces (esp panzers) or go for objectives. They are not mutually exclusive but they do produce rather divergent operational models.


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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 3/1/2014 10:06:37 PM   
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I basically have two choices … go out to basically kill Axis forces (esp panzers) or go for objectives. They are not mutually exclusive but they do produce rather divergent operational models.


I'm seeing exactly this dichotomy in my Russian game against the AI. My winter strategy was to beat up the Germans where possible, and establish lines I could fight and hold once the rules change in March. This worked well, but the stakes weren't as high for me because the AI 41 campaign was not nearly as successful as SigUp's has been.

An additional objective you might have is to accumulate victories towards Guards status for as many units as possible. I found that I was doing that anyway because I almost always used mass attacks in order to have a good chance at success.

I guess ultimately you have to fight the 41-42 winter while looking ahead to the 42 summer and what you think or hope you can do then.

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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 3/1/2014 11:21:10 PM   
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Hi loki100!

Do you have any supply problems in your armies? Could you tell me the numbers for Supply Stores and Global Supply Stock? Also, how many Heavy Industry and Armament factories do you have?

Thanks in advance!

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RE: 22 – 28 November: 'And 'twas like Midnight' (turn 23) - 3/2/2014 2:35:02 PM   
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I basically have two choices … go out to basically kill Axis forces (esp panzers) or go for objectives. They are not mutually exclusive but they do produce rather divergent operational models.


I'm seeing exactly this dichotomy in my Russian game against the AI. My winter strategy was to beat up the Germans where possible, and establish lines I could fight and hold once the rules change in March. This worked well, but the stakes weren't as high for me because the AI 41 campaign was not nearly as successful as SigUp's has been.

An additional objective you might have is to accumulate victories towards Guards status for as many units as possible. I found that I was doing that anyway because I almost always used mass attacks in order to have a good chance at success.

I guess ultimately you have to fight the 41-42 winter while looking ahead to the 42 summer and what you think or hope you can do then.


I think that at its simplest, around Moscow its attack to cause damage (and gain Guards), in the Ukraine its to go for depth so that the 1942 summer battles don't start on the Don. But there is a bit of a mix as I do have an idea what line I'd like to reach ... not least to shorten the front which will help me to defend in depth come 1942.

Against the AI, I think it will give you a bad time in 1941 and it handles the shift to the strategic defense in 1943 pretty well. On my second go vs the AI in 1942 and both times its disappointed – in effect it doesn't concentrate its mobile forces so it starts well but ends up running out of steam (not helped by keeping AGN's Pzrs in the north).

I've rested the bulk of the VVS for the last 3 weeks so I'm going to gamble on airpower en-masse for 3-4 weeks to really help me break open his lines and hit his reserves. Thats the one area where I have the odds on my side – otherwise its pretty much 1-1 across the front

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Hi loki100!

Do you have any supply problems in your armies? Could you tell me the numbers for Supply Stores and Global Supply Stock? Also, how many Heavy Industry and Armament factories do you have?

Thanks in advance!


I've not noticed any real problems. The formations attached to the Volkhov Front are low on supply but then I am really letting that sector starve in any case. I lack the capacity for an offensive up there so they may as well dig in. I suspect SigUp is of the same mindset.

I'll put in a fairly complete overview of the industry situation with the update.

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The autumn rains had stalled the German advance in early November. Even the return of solid (if frozen) ground by 8 November only saw a limited renewal of their offensive. Still, Kaluga and Rostov were both taken as German spearheads reached the outskirts of Voronezh and Soviet rearguards fell back over the mighty Don.

On the other hand, especially on the Oka-Voronezh sector, November had seen a series of small scale Soviet offensives. These had relieved the threat to Tula and forced the Germans to react. At least one Panzer Group was now locked into the front lines as their infantry were no longer able to hold off the mounting pressure of Western and Leningrad Fronts.

Losses across the month reflected these new dynamics. The Germans had been unable to repeat the major encirclements of the summer and early autumn and losses between the two sides were much more equal. Axis forces had lost 90,000 men (killed, badly wounded or captured) for 130,000 Soviet losses. German tank losses started to escalate with 400 AFVs lost against 670 Soviet losses (mostly older T-26s and BT-7s). Even in the air, losses were more even, with 200 Axis aircraft lost and 630 Soviet (again mostly older models as the VVS was undergoing a major re-organisation).

Not only were the Germans paying a high price for small gains, but it seemed as if the partisan movement was winning its war to their rear. Their rail lines at Kiev were blown again and the Velikie Luki-Vyazma sector saw a sustained series of attacks, cutting the main supply lines to Army Group Centre.



Equally, Soviet forces were recovering from their battering in the summer and autumn and the Red Army had grown by 600,000 effectives in the month.



Notes:

1 – The VVS is back from its holidays in the Urals, that is 2000 more front line aircraft than last week.
2 – Following a discussion on the main forum, I've re-organised my usage of the rear Military Districts. Urals MD now has command of all the rear area units north of Moscow and the Volga MD of the units gathering along the Volga. I'll hand over the Moscow rear to the Moscow Defense Zone when it arrives next turn thus leaving very little reporting directly to Stavka.
3 – Leningrad Front will take on 2 Shock Army (next turn) thus using up its spare command capacity. The only front I am worried about is the Bryansk Front but the conversion of cavalry divisions to corps will help, if I need to I can hand one army over to either Western or South-Western Front.
4 – Transcaucasus Front has taken over from the Volga MD between South and Caucasus Fronts. About half its manpower is still locked (till January) so this gives a slightly false idea of its effective combat power.


(Sturmoviks assigned to Leningrad Front)

If this gave grounds for optimism, the reality was that Leningrad, Kiev, Kharkiv and Minsk all lay far behind the battle fronts. 5 Soviet Republics were completely under German domination [1] while the rumble of artillery from the front lines could be heard in Moscow.

Soviet industry was still badly disrupted by the losses and evacuations but supplies and ammunition were plentiful. The main lack was in terms of artillery with few rifle divisions now having over 100 pieces.



In planning for the counteroffensive, the long front was divided into five sectors. North of Torzhok (Volkhov Front) no active operations were planned and the two sides were settling down into defensive positions. In the Crimea, 44 Army would try to regain Kerch if the opportunity arose but this operation was secondary to the main plans.

At Moscow, the bulk of 4 Fronts were involved – North Western, Kalinin, Western and the Moscow District forces. The primary goal here was to regain, the line of the river Larna – Borodino – Kaluga. In combination this would create valuable depth to the Moscow defences.



If successful, would drive the Germans back roughly 60km from the Moskva-Volga canal and shorten the front by around 6 hexes (ie allow 2 armies to move to reserve).

In addition, paratroop units were pulled out of their defensive positions and redeployed to airbases around Moscow [2]


(elements of 1 Shock Army moving to their pre-offensive positions)

The main blow was planned to land south of the Oka. SW Front was ordered to relieve the threat to Voronezh and attack towards Kursk. Leningrad Front, heavily reinforced with Katyushas and backed by some of the best VVS squadrons, was expected to take on the German Panzers and Infantry facing them. Clearing the south back of the Oka around Kaluga would assist Western Front's operations and allow the offensive to develop towards Bryansk. Bryansk Front, with the bulk of the Red Army's mobile forces was to take Orel and then support Leningrad Front's operations.



In the Ukraine, South and Transcaucasus Fronts were attack towards Kharkov and the Donets. South Front had just received substantial reinforcements, including mobile units to provide the capacity to exploit any German retreat. To the south, Caucasus Front was ordered to retake Rostov and try to reach the Mius.




One major concern was that overall the Soviet Forces lacked superiority in anything but aircraft. The solution was to concentrate on key sectors. Overall, Germany and its allies had 5 million men (3.4 million German), 47,000 guns, 3,000 tanks and 3,500 aircraft. This was matched by 5.5 million men, 48,000 guns, 3,600 tanks and 7,000 aircraft.



Even as reserves moved up, front line formations rehearsed their assualt plans and the VVS deployed its fighters and bombers [3], it was clear that the margin for success was wafer thin.

Comments:

[1] – Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bielorussia and the Ukraine
[2] – by out house rules, I'm only allowed two drops in December (ie the one I saved from November plus 1 for December), so I'm tempted to keep this as a threat. But then a well placed drop may well mess up a critical turn of reserve reactions by the Panzers.
[3] – I've decided basically on a single massive air campaign in December. If it moves, someone is going to drop a bomb on it. The result will probably be to wreck the VVS as an offensive weapon by mid-late January but it may just give me the edge I am going to need. Around Moscow, its almost all Pe-2s, Il-2s, Yaks and lend lease. The Ukraine has to make do with Migs/Lagg-5s and SB-2s.




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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/2/2014 3:29:09 PM   
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Do not use the Moscow Defense Zone as it is not an MD so it will cost full AP cost to move armies & CU from the MDZ. Overload the Volga instead, perhaps some of the Volga units can be shifted to the South Ural MD?

Also, now is the time to build the support units you want to have for the '42 summer. This will give them time to train experience, which takes ~25 turns.

What is your RR Brigade count?

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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/4/2014 7:40:17 AM   
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VOLGA md can act as a substitute for Voronej front, providing suport for armies atacking along the Voronej-Kursk axis, while the towns of orel and kharkov are the northern/southern limits of it;s command range .

of course being frozen and overloaded, it would not help with leader checks .

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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/4/2014 2:06:48 PM   
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The solution was to concentrate on key sectors.
(...) (VVS:) If it moves, someone is going to drop a bomb on it.



Go, Red Army, go!

Probably it's just me, but I really miss the logic behind the industrial evacuating while standing on the edge of a major offensive?


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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/4/2014 3:58:41 PM   
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Probably it's just me, but I really miss the logic behind the industrial evacuating while standing on the edge of a major offensive?



For the longer term strategy (i.e. summer 42) it makes sense. But I agree the politics of those evacuations would have been very tricky to work out with Stalin.

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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/9/2014 9:52:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

Do not use the Moscow Defense Zone as it is not an MD so it will cost full AP cost to move armies & CU from the MDZ. Overload the Volga instead, perhaps some of the Volga units can be shifted to the South Ural MD?

Also, now is the time to build the support units you want to have for the '42 summer. This will give them time to train experience, which takes ~25 turns.

What is your RR Brigade count?


thanks for that – hadn't realised that pitfall as up to now I've been leaving all the rear formations under Stavka control. I'm hoping from now on not to use the MD to control combat units, so overloading is not such a worry.

Here's a list. I probably should have more, but I am trying to ensure my armament points go to building artillery. I think I have enough, as long as I don't make massive gains in the winter.




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VOLGA md can act as a substitute for Voronej front, providing suport for armies atacking along the Voronej-Kursk axis, while the towns of orel and kharkov are the northern/southern limits of it;s command range .

of course being frozen and overloaded, it would not help with leader checks .


again thanks, that is more or less how I've organised things. So Urals has the reserves behind and north of Moscow. Volga to the south and South Urals has all the deep reserves – I'm building up fort lines at some critical locations in anticipation that they will be combat zones in 1942.

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The solution was to concentrate on key sectors.
(...) (VVS:) If it moves, someone is going to drop a bomb on it.



Go, Red Army, go!

Probably it's just me, but I really miss the logic behind the industrial evacuating while standing on the edge of a major offensive?


As jwolf says, I have no great expectations (oddly from emails SigUp feels he is doomed) as to what I am going to gain. My logic is that if he wants Moscow in 1942 he is going to take it. My plan is to gain the depth so that he has to spend the entire campaign season on that task. This may force him to look elsewhere for critical gains. But at the moment I can find the rail capacity to shift large blocks of factories so I'm cleaning out almost everything that could feasibly be at risk in 1942.

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Probably it's just me, but I really miss the logic behind the industrial evacuating while standing on the edge of a major offensive?



For the longer term strategy (i.e. summer 42) it makes sense. But I agree the politics of those evacuations would have been very tricky to work out with Stalin.


I've been giving Stalin free access to the special Central Committee vodka stocks so he doesn't notice that all the industry in Moscow has surprisingly been disappearing.

But yeah, it is on the gamey end of realistic.

Having kept to my plan to put up an active (& forward) defense in 1941 I feel I am owed a wee bit of foresight.



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4 – 10 December: To perish or to live? (turn 25)

The predawn silence, in a huge arc around Moscow, was shattered as almost 18,000 Soviet guns roared into life. Overhead, the first wave of the VVS' bombers crossed the front on their way to raid German airbases and reserve formations. Even as the opening artillery salvos died away, the second wave of Soviet bombers hit front line formations.


(Pe-2s in action north of Moscow)

To the north of the city, elements of North West front attacked from their bridgeheads over the Moskva-Volga canal.



52 Army drove back elements of 23 Infantry Corps, threatening German communications between Konakovo and Klin and fending off a counterattack by an SS Motorised Brigade. Reserve formations pushed past the burning buildings until their advance patrols reported contact with at least 3 Panzer divisions well dug in along the rail lines.



To the south, 55 Army made substantial inroads towards Povarovo driving in elements of 5 Infantry Corps and, Kalinin Front's 21 Army supported these operations by attacking 42 Infantry Corps at Istra. For the moment, they made no effort to follow up their gains, contact to exert pressure on the flanks of the German forces north of Moscow.

North of Kaluga, Kalinin and Western Fronts made gains. 20 Army was committed against the entrenchments of 39 Panzer and 38 Infantry Corps. Backed by over 1000 guns and 3 waves of VVS airstrikes, the Germans broke after heavy fighting. The battlefield was littered with bodies and 24 German tanks were knocked out.




(elements of 20 Army moving past a destroyed Pzr III)

Just north of Kaluga, elements of 3 and 13 Armies hit a motorised division from 57 Panzer, again backed by a massive barrage. As the Germans fell back, second echelon forces from 13 Army pushed into the gap torn in their lines.



To the south of Kaluga, 6 fresh divisions of 1 Shock Army, elite units drawn from the Siberian reserve and backed by massed artillery and katyushas, hit 3 Panzer Corps.




(KV1s of 1 Shock Army moving up to the front after the infantry offensive)

Elsewhere, Leningrad Front had mixed success. Poor planning and preparation led to a major defeat for 32 Army where 3 Panzer held its section of the German defensive line with ease. However, 24 Army pushed back elements of 13 Corps and cavalry formations from 43 Army were able to exploit the gains. Bryansk Front's 19 Army further weakened the German line screening Orel by forcing 17 Panzer Division back near Tepioe.

Opposite South West and Southern Fronts, fighting was limited. Here the Germans had pulled back from their exposed positions on the Don and contact was limited to sharp encounters between their rearguards and advanced Soviet units.



Around Voroshilovgrad, elements of Trans-Caucasus and Caucasus Fronts hit the mostly Rumanian forces guarding the northern flank of the German forces on the lower Don.

North of Voroshilovgrad, 19 and 9 Armies made inroads into the weak axis defences and a frontal attack by 18 and 54 Armies cleared the Rumanian 4 Corps from the city. Here, for the first time, axis forces retreated in panic, leaving 7000 dead, wounded and prisoners on the roads leading west from the city. Stavka ordered an artillery salute from the walls of the Kremlin to celebrate the liberation of the first significant Soviet city from axis occupation.



However, any hope of a major breakthrough was lost when, to the south, elements of 1 and 4 Rumanian Corps held the small town of Sverdlosk, inflicting heavy losses on the attacking formations of 61 Army.



After a week of sustained fighting, Soviet forces had driven back the Axis invaders across sections of the long front. However, the gains were isolated, rarely more than 10 miles deep and Soviet patrols were reporting encountering strong reserves and secondary fortification lines. On the other hand, mobile units were moving up to exploit the gains in the first week.

The opening battles of the Soviet counterattack had seen substantial losses. Almost 23,000 axis and 32,000 Soviet soldiers had been killed or seriously injured. 88 Axis tanks had been destroyed for a cost of 216 Soviet. In the air, the VVS had paid a heavy price for its attacks on the German rear as well as close support for the Soviet infantry. 128 aircraft had been lost and it was estimated the Germans had lost 39.



(Order of Battle at end of week)

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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/10/2014 12:00:47 AM   
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I've been giving Stalin free access to the special Central Committee vodka stocks so he doesn't notice that all the industry in Moscow has surprisingly been disappearing.



That's actually a pretty good strategy. SigUp should probably do the same for Hitler.

Congratulations on a good start (well it seemed that way to me) to the winter offensive. Even if you end up short of your goals at least you have the initiative for a season and that is a very welcome change of pace.

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I've been giving Stalin free access to the special Central Committee vodka stocks so he doesn't notice that all the industry in Moscow has surprisingly been disappearing.



That's actually a pretty good strategy. SigUp should probably do the same for Hitler.


I believe Hitler was a tea-totaller. But perhaps giving the Führer access to the Strategic Pastry Reserve would have the same effect. Throw in a couple of secretaries that are forced to listen to Adolf's reminiscences of his artist's life in Vienna, and you can be sure that the GroFaZ will be out of commission for the better part of the day, every day.

It's hard to gauge your offensive so far, loki, it being only a week old. You're mostly victorious, but certainly on a map it doesn't look like more than a few shallow penetrations, dents in the front rather than big, gaping holes. Again, your offensive is only a week old, so a lot could change. Still, you pushed aside a fair number of Panzer divisions and you even brushed an SS unit aside (Himmler will be sad, I'm sure). Shame that those Romanians (no, not those routing Romanians, the other Romanians) managed to hang in there and kill 1,600 Soviets.

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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/10/2014 6:06:36 PM   
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It's hard to gauge your offensive so far, loki, it being only a week old. You're mostly victorious, but certainly on a map it doesn't look like more than a few shallow penetrations, dents in the front rather than big, gaping holes. Again, your offensive is only a week old, so a lot could change. Still, you pushed aside a fair number of Panzer divisions and you even brushed an SS unit aside (Himmler will be sad, I'm sure). Shame that those Romanians (no, not those routing Romanians, the other Romanians) managed to hang in there and kill 1,600 Soviets.


Loki shouldn't worry about an occasional failed attack. If they all worked, it would mean he's not being aggressive enough. This will be his only good shot at the Germans for a long, long time so he really has to make it count. (Well that is my rookie's opinion; others including Loki himself may believe differently.) It usually takes a few turns to see how much of an effect an offensive has, especially a grinding type of offensive which is all Loki can do for now. His goal is to put pressure on the German front line units, giving them a choice: stay and get ground up to dust; or fall back and concede territory. I think he's off to a good start but we won't really know for a little while.

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If the German side wants to keep his armor in the open and allow it to be punished by the blizzard attrition, along with heavy fighting, oblige him.

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RE: 29 November – 5 December: "The thunder hurrie... - 3/27/2014 3:03:15 AM   
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On no, what happened, another good reading AAR coming to an early ending?

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