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ORIGINAL: zgxzz



I am Chinese and my English is not very good,I try to say,I've played many many many PC games base on world war 2,Western games,Japanese games,Russian games and my Chinese games.
I feel that Japanese games and Chinese games pay very attention to detail.several Chinese games even accurate the troops,the weapons and the casualties to one person one rifle one wounded and one dead,I mean for example in a Chinese game based on Anti-Japanese War, when I finish one battle,I may get this result:enemy dead 1326men captured 1532men captured 567 rifles,77 mortars,17 light tanks,8 medium tanks,32 artillery,AA guns,horses.....and the captured weapons can be our own use for the following battles.
Another Chinese game based on Korean war,equipment types even more and much detailed.it contains over 100 historical real weapons used in Korean war from land,air to navy,from all kinds of helmet,FieldCombatShoes,medicine,mine,rifle,machine guns ,armed Vehicles even the USA have atomic bomb.
All that I mean,if this game,Heroes of Stalingrad,can make the number of the troops more accurately,such as 10men,100men,but not only 1men 1team,shaken and die,I mean we can think 4men was shaken and 6men can still fire or 3men dead 4men shaken and 3men alive and fire.
and,if we can capture enemy abandoned tanks for own use,such as,the hero or leader or crew,can drive those abandoned tanks.
and,the campaign points is not very useful because only 3 units can be upgrade and after several battles,units can not be upgrade any more....I left over 200+points no use...

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ORIGINAL: markhwalker

ZGXZZ,

I appreciate that you took the time to write those posts. HoS is just not that type of game. To be honest, that type of game just doesn't interest me. That isn't meant to marginalize your statement. Many folks love that type of detail. I'm just not one of them.

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ORIGINAL: zgxzz

No,guys,I did not refer to games like WitP or Close Combat,the two games I said,are all turn-based SLG games and they are,I think ,is easier than Heroes of Stalingrad when playing......
here is the pictures

1.the game based on Korean war: (this game is over 15 years old,so the pictures may not very beautiful,but today it still in my pc,I played it more than 10 times in the past 15 years.)


(I was told by system that I can not put links here for 7 days,so I cut off the "h t t p : //" before every picture link,you may add it yourself,sorry.)

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ORIGINAL: hobbes

I looked at one image but then got a virus threat detected from Avast. Is this just due to the website location?
Thanks for posting though - very interesting. I've not played the campaign game yet so can't comment on your ideas but they seem
pretty reasonable.

Cheers,
Chris

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ORIGINAL: zgxzz

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ORIGINAL: hobbes

I looked at one image but then got a virus threat detected from Avast. Is this just due to the website location?
Thanks for posting though - very interesting. I've not played the campaign game yet so can't comment on your ideas but they seem
pretty reasonable.

Cheers,
Chris

Virus threat??Is this a joke...?....It can not be possible,....

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ORIGINAL: Hexagon

I need say that both games remember me a lot a pair of old games...

"Steel Panthers" the Korea title and "Blitzkrieg" the sino-japanese war.

LnL is a total diferent game in scope and work, the detailed game you want is out of LnL, in the end is a table game move to PC, i prefer to see details but i can deal with the level of abstraction.

Curious games, i never see them... i think that the language wall prevent us see other aproximations to wargame world... and i need say is refreshing the war covered in the 2nd title, i think the only game that cover it is... "Strategic command" one of them but in a global map and sure there are scens for TOAW.

I dont have problems with images, maybe next time zgxzz you can use the image feature in forum to add them in the post.

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ORIGINAL: Skanvak

I have look at the game, and like I said somewhere else. The present game is a translation of a boardgame. So the rule must be the same as the boardgame. Any suggestion to change the rule should keep this in mind (even if some things really bug me in LnL).

So I don't think that this is a difference between Western and Chinese game. But the very aim of the game is not the same. In a boardgame style rules you need to keep all information manageable by a human so you must use fewer details than a fullk fledge computer game.

After, I find you hard with Steel Panther. It is very details and more details might be too much details.

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if a game can be still very easy to play and we already moved it to PC,why must still stay on basic board level?

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ORIGINAL: zgxzz
I understand.But I wonder, since we've already move this game from board to computer,why must 100% the rules on board,those rules are easy because of restriction,in the meantime,so easy a game might be less interesting,otherwise,why we need computer.but it is now already computer,why not add some interesting improvement but still must so easy that even we can move it back again from computer to board?If we add some interesting improvement to it but still very very easy to play just like the 2 Chinese games,why not?after all,we have already seat in front of computer but not a board.those 2 Chinese games even my 10 years old relative child can play it very well...not hard to play at all...those detail's purpose is not to be complexity but to be more interesting.For a
simple example:since we play this game on computer,don't players want to see their troops equipt with Kar98K or mp40 instead of"FIRE POWER 1"and"FIRE POWER 2"??still that opinion,if a game can be still very easy to play and we already moved it to PC,why must still stay on basic board level?

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

The Close Combat series models individual solders along with their mental state and capabilities. So it is even a smaller scale than this one.