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Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 11:52:44 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-cEunmqXM8

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 1:28:56 PM   
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So did I see that reentry vehicle maneuver against incoming BMDs? Hope the PRC likes trading Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong for a US carrier if they go nuclear.

As an aside I'd like to see the US and Japan develop some ASBMs, too. If the Chinese can (steal the necessary tech to) do it, there's no reason we can't as well.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 1:55:28 PM   
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Someone took their own Computer fantasy and spliced it in with the Northrop Grumman AMDR video.

Link to AMDR Radar video for comparison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE858lxGrRs

The DF-21 has a unique flight profile, and the terminal phase may have an IR seeker.

Looking at the surmised DF-21 flight profile shown online, it would seem that it is following a ballistic trajectory up to the mid-segment burn. After said burn, I'm guessing it returns to a ballistic trajectory until its terminal guidance mode kicks in and it starts final maneuvering to target. I'm guessing that it would be at its most vulnerable to interception by SM-3 for the first ballistic phase outside the atmosphere and via SM-2 during the second ballistic phase which would be at a lower altitude. Just my guess though..

Since the Aegis has demonstrated an ability to Shoot down low altitude satellites, is it possible to do so with these systems in Command? In my opinion, breaking the targeting chains of Chinese systems is the key to keeping the CVBG safe from the DF-21 threat.

If your curious as to what the U.S. is up to. Google "Falcon Hypersonic missile."

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:05:49 PM   
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That maneuvering by the RV was straight BS. An RV with an (I)IR seeker isn't going to be able to see and dodge SM-3s. It can maneuver, yes, but I'd assume that a light weight kill vehicle would be able to maneuver better than it.

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In my opinion, breaking the targeting chains of Chinese systems is the key to keeping the CVBG safe from the DF-21 threat

That opinion is shared by many US defense analysts. ASATs kill the satellites and BARCAPs keep the Y-8's outside range of their radars. Unless the Chinese can get a good targeting solution at long range, the DF-21 is useless.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:10:48 PM   
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Yea, my thoughts exactly ExNusquam. A vehicle reentering at hypersonic is extrememly unlikely to have an IR seeker, the special requirements to have a germanium or Silicon window that can survive reentry, along with the heat and stresses sort of defies physics. Having a window at all in the vehicle creates a weak point in the frame.

If it's Millimeter Wave, maybe you have a better chance, but now it's susceptible to ECM, and decoy systems.



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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:15:28 PM   
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Since the Aegis has demonstrated an ability to Shoot down low altitude satellites, is it possible to do so with these systems in Command?

Yes (for ASBMs).

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In my opinion, breaking the targeting chains of Chinese systems is the key to keeping the CVBG safe from the DF-21 threat.

Probably so. Possibly easier than shooting down the ASBM warheads, too.

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If your curious as to what the U.S. is up to. Google "Falcon Hypersonic missile."

US research on such vehicles goes way back, to the days of Lockheed's AXE, HGV, Martin Marietta's CAM etc. And even further back to Dyna-Soar.


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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:17:35 PM   
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That maneuvering by the RV was straight BS. An RV with an (I)IR seeker isn't going to be able to see and dodge SM-3s. It can maneuver, yes, but I'd assume that a light weight kill vehicle would be able to maneuver better than it.

These maneuvers may be pre-programmed rather than determined on the fly. It's not very hard to estimate the altitude band at which the RV is vulnerable to interception by ABMs and instruct it to "dance" randomly while in this band.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:20:48 PM   
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If it's Millimeter Wave, maybe you have a better chance, but now it's susceptible to ECM, and decoy systems.

Depends on the seeker smarts. The Pershing 2 seeker was supposed to include ECCM & filters as the Soviets were known to sow corner reflectors by the bucketload, and had plentiful & powerful mobile jammers. Have the Chinese acquired that tech (either through their own R&D or through industrial espionage)? Who knows.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:23:00 PM   
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Thanks for the info Sunburn, so if I have a scenario set up where for example I have Chinese satellites, and an Aegis BMD ship, how do I make it engage the satellite? What are the requirements in the sim for an attempt to happen against the satellite?

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:29:12 PM   
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Thanks for the info Sunburn, so if I have a scenario set up where for example I have Chinese satellites, and an Aegis BMD ship, how do I make it engage the satellite? What are the requirements in the sim for an attempt to happen against the satellite?


Sorry, I thought you meant to engage the ASBMs. We haven't tested the SM3 against satellites but feel free to do so. (IIRC the official USN position is that the SM3 used in the USA-193 shootdown had unique ASAT modifications that are not present in fleet-deployed SM3s.)

First you have to place the satellite (through ScenEdit mode), then position the ship under its orbital path and do a manual SM3 allocation to see if it can or cannot be used. If it cannot, the allocator will tell you why.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:35:31 PM   
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Okay, I'll definately try that.

I think my problem is that mostly I stay in quiet EMCOM, so don't turn on the Aegis systems very much.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:39:49 PM   
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Looks like the maneuvering part has been improved for the SM-3, according to Wikipedia

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The SM-3 Block IA version provides an incremental upgrade to improve reliability and maintainability at a reduced cost. The SM-3 Block IB, due in 2010, offers upgrades which include an advanced two-color infrared seeker, and a 10-thruster solid throttling divert and attitude control system (TDACS/SDACS) on the kill vehicle to give it improved capability against maneuvering ballistic missiles or warheads. Solid TDACS is a joint Raytheon/Aerojet project, but Boeing supplies some components of the kinetic warhead. With Block IB and associated ship-based upgrades, the Navy gains the ability to defend against medium range missiles and some Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles. SM-3 Block II will widen the missile body to 21 in and decrease the size of the maneuvering fins. It will still fit in Mk41 vertical launch systems, and the missile will be faster and have longer range. The SM-3 Block IIA will add a larger diameter kill vehicle that is more maneuverable, and carries another sensor/ discrimination upgrade. It’s currently scheduled to debut around 2015, whereupon the Navy will have a weapon that can engage some intercontinental ballistic missiles.[16]


Looks like the U.S. Navy has this well planned out with incremental upgrades.

There's also an interesting article from the Union of Concerned Scientists entitled "Aegis as ASAT" where it shows the ranges for the various SM-3 blocks vs. LEO satellites.

Link here to the study: http://allthingsnuclear.org/aegis-as-asat/

And here: https://www.fas.org/pubs/pir/2011winter/2011Winter-Anti-Satellite.pdf

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The interception, at an altitude of 240km vividly demonstrated the ASAT capability of the U.S. Aegis sea based missile defense system. The intercept required only modification of the system software, and could have been done from any of the 5 cruisers or 16 destroyers equipped with the Aegis system at the time.


It lists SM-3 Block IA Burnout Velocity 3.0 km/s and 600km reachible altitude
Block IIA(Lower range) Velocity 4.5km/s and 1450km altitude
(upper range) 5.5km/s and 2350km altitude

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However, the latter phases of the PAA envision more capable Block II interceptors. Even using a conservative estimate of the burnout speed (4.5 km/s), SM-3 Block IIA interceptors would be able to reach the vast majority of satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO) (see Figure 1). Interceptors with burnout speeds at the high range of estimates for the SM-3 IIA (5.5 km/s) would be able to reach any satellite in LEO, as would the ground-based midcourse interceptors in Alaska and California.


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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 2:41:37 PM   
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I tried using an SM-3 against a satellite early on but had no joy in being able to even select the missile as an appropriate weapon for ASAT use. Also tried the US F-15 ASAT missile, which had an incredibly small engagement envelope and seemed to work, though at the time it crashed the game at the point the sat was hit.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 3:14:00 PM   
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I'm using two different SM-3's on a BMD capable Aegis, the Block IA, and the Block IB, but unable to select them against Chinese satellites, and my scenario typically soft crashes with a "Command has stopped working" as the satellites move in orbit.

Ship is the USS Mahan DDG 72, the ship northern most from the Task group. Could this be because the SM-3's aren't listed as being capable vs. Satellites?

Attached is the Autosave before the sim stops.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 3:25:34 PM   
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Thanks for the save! We'll take a look.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 4:06:41 PM   
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No problem, glad to help.

Also, for reference, you can look up the Congressional Research Service "Navy Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) Program: Background and Issues for Congress.

Link here: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL33745.pdf

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Aegis BMD System8
Aegis ships are given a capability for conducting BMD operations by incorporating changes to
the Aegis system’s computers and software, and by arming the ships with BMD interceptor
missiles. In-service Aegis ships can be modified to become BMD-capable ships, and DDG-51s
procured in FY2010 and subsequent years are to be built from the start with a BMD capability.
Versions of Aegis BMD System
Currently fielded versions of the Aegis BMD system are called the 3.6.1 version and the newer
and more capable 4.0.1 and 4.0.2 versions. MDA and Navy plans call for fielding increasingly
capable versions in coming years; these planned versions are called 5.0, 5.0 CU (meaning
capability upgrade), and 5.1. Improved versions feature improved processors and software, and
are to be capable of using improved versions of the SM-3 interceptor missile (see Table 1).
Aegis BMD Interceptor Missiles
The BMD interceptor missiles used by Aegis ships are the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) and the
Standard Missile-2 Block IV (SM-2 Block IV). The SM-2 Block IV is to be succeeded in coming
years by a BMD version of the new SM-6 interceptor.



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MDA and Navy plans call for fielding increasingly capable versions of the SM-3 in coming years.
The current version, called the SM-3 Block IA, is now being supplemented by the more capable
SM-3 Block IB. These are to be followed by the even more capable SM-3 Block IIA.
Compared to the Block IA version, the Block IB version has an improved (two-color) target
seeker, an advanced signal processor, and an improved divert/attitude control system for adjusting
its course.
In contrast to the Block IA and 1B versions, which have a 21-inch-diameter booster stage at the
bottom but are 13.5 inches in diameter along the remainder of their lengths, the Block IIA version
is to have a 21-inch diameter along its entire length. The increase in diameter to a uniform 21
inches provides more room for rocket fuel, permitting the Block IIA version to have a burnout
velocity (a maximum velocity, reached at the time the propulsion stack burns out) that is greater
than that of the Block IA and IB versions,9
as well as a larger-diameter kinetic warhead. The
United States and Japan have cooperated in developing certain technologies for the Block IIA
version, with Japan funding a significant share of the effort.10
Until recently, a more capable missile called the SM-3 Block IIB was also planned. Compared to
the Block IIA, the Block IIB version was to include a lighter kill vehicle, flexible propulsion, and
upgraded fire control software.11 On March 15, 2013, however, the Department of Defense
(DOD) announced that it was
• “restructuring” (i.e., canceling) the SM-3 Block IIB program;
• shifting funding from SM-3 Block IIB program to other BMD efforts
(specifically, the Ground Based Interceptor (GBI) BMD program in Alaska and
to earlier versions of the SM-3); and
• dropping Phase IV of the European Phased Adaptive Approach (or EPAA—see
discussion below), which was to feature the deployment of the SM-3 Block IIB
missile.1


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• Aegis Ashore in Poland with SM-3 IIA interceptors in the 2018 timeframe (Phase 3),
and
• SM-3 IIB interceptors and early intercept capability in the 2020 timeframe (Phase 4)
The United States will also pursue phased adaptive approaches in the Asia Pacific and the
Middle East by building on current efforts.13
On March 15, 2013, DOD announced that it is
• “restructuring” (i.e., canceling) the SM-3 Block IIB program;
• shifting funding from SM-3 Block IIB program to other BMD efforts
(specifically, the Ground Based Interceptor (GBI) BMD program in Alaska and
to earlier versions of the SM-3); and
• dropping Phase IV of the EPAA, which was to feature the deployment of the SM-
3 Block IIB missile.14
Each Aegis Ashore site in the EPAA is to include a structure housing an Aegis system similar to
the deckhouse on an Aegis ship and 24 SM-3 missiles launched from a re-locatable Vertical
Launch System (VLS) based on the VLS that is installed in Navy Aegis ships.
Although BMD-capable Aegis ships have deployed to European waters in the past, the first
BMD-capable Aegis ship officially deployed to European waters as part of the EPAA departed its
home port of Norfolk, VA, on March 7, 2011, for a deployment to the Mediterranean that lasted
several months.15


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SM-3 missile procurement (annual quantities)
FY11 FY12 FY13 FY14 FY15 FY16 FY17 FY18
Block IA 23 14 0 0 0 0 0 0
Block IB 0 14 46 52 72 72 72 72
Block IIA 0 0 0 0 22 0 12 16
Total 23 28 46 52 94 72 84 88





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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 4:13:09 PM   
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My understanding was, the seeker is supposed to be radar in the terminal phase. Where it gets dicey is, the speed and height of the RV when it is trying to acquire it's target. It's an extremely long range for a radar small enough to be carried in a ballistic missile. This would all be made even more difficult if it is a mechanically steered radar.

Ill start worrying about the DF-21, when the US Navy does.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 4:14:35 PM   
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And the navy isn't worried, going by the multiple missile types listed above, and the upgrades meant for special maneuvering warheads, looks like they're ready for the expected threat.


I'm beginning to think the cost of these SM-3's is more than worth it when you consider it to have an ASAT capability, the bonus is multiple missile types that can engage a threat in multiple phases of flight, if you have to do so.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 4:35:17 PM   
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TBH, I've always thought, (and still do) that the concept of the DF-21 was a bit far fetched and reeks of deceit. It's just too difficult to pull off in the real world. I was a carrier sailor, and my job was propulsion. I wont get into exactly how fast a nuclear carrier can go, but, I will say, that when she's out in the deep blue and she's making flank you can water ski behind her, and she will eventually out run her escorts. 35+ knots without breaking a sweat.

The key for defeating this weapon is:
1. Don't let them target you. They can't kill what they can't see.
2. Don't let them hit you, either by speed and maneuver, soft kill, or hard kill.
3. Kill them before they kill you. Take out the missile before it's launched.
4. Kill them all, IF they kill you. We would turn China into a super enriched glass ashtray for sinking a carrier. And while we would certainly lose a little in a nuclear exchange with China, they would stand to lose EVERYTHING. It's definitely Assured Destruction, but at this point, it's hardly Mutual.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 4:40:50 PM   
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I wont get into exactly how fast a nuclear carrier can go, but, I will say, that when she's out in the deep blue and she's making flank you can water ski behind her, and she will eventually out run her escorts. 35+ knots without breaking a sweat.


Some sources disagree: http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 4:54:23 PM   
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She can go fast enough to make a real difference in target datum at more than 100nm. That's the reason the weapon would carry a nuclear warhead- It can only maneuver so much to hit something at very long range, and it's likely that their terminal radar is not capable of getting a solid fix on a single target at such an extreme range. Like I said, I wouldn't worry. When they start producing ACTUAL video of a DF-21 RV hitting a moving target at sea at nominal range, then I'll be a lot less skeptical.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 5:36:36 PM   
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Your not the first Navy Veteran to have claimed that sort of speed from a carrier, I've heard that from others who served on the Nuclear Carriers, apparently they can get up to speed fast, and it gets really impressive when they make a high speed turn . Thank you for your service to our country btw. It's appreciated.

I worked at a very large U.S. defense contractor for a few years, so I've had my hands on some BMD stuff, as well as a lot of experience with Night vision and Thermal imaging systems for ships, and satellite surveillance systems.

Key here is to go with published public reports so I make sure not to claim anything unless we have readily available public info to back it up, I don't want to risk real human lives by having my virtual systems using real info that can be compromised by real enemies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4KnCqcTEOU "Well over 30 knots" while doing high speed tight turns is good enough for me, and look at that tight wake at 2:18.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 5:45:14 PM   
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I wont get into exactly how fast a nuclear carrier can go, but, I will say, that when she's out in the deep blue and she's making flank you can water ski behind her, and she will eventually out run her escorts. 35+ knots without breaking a sweat.


Some sources disagree: . . .


I got to tour Weasel's ship in 1998. I was told by crew members that it was common knowledge to them the maximum speed of the CVN was considerably higher than 30 knots. I won't say exactly what they told me but suffice to say, only the LCS would be able to keep up.

Of course, I'm just a gullible tourist and what was told to me was informal.

Great thread by the way.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 6:19:40 PM   
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Thanks to whomever allowed me to post links!!

A simulator like Command really allows you to see the bigger picture and see how some of these units work with other offboard sensors and systems, a lot of the time in other simulators large portions of the rest of the battlefield aren't adressed, so you don't get a complete picture of how things might happen in a real world scenario.

Take the info below for example:

http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/sigint/androart.htm

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Large-scale combat US operations were supported by the satellite system for the first time during the war with Iraq in 1990-1991. Despite the very long periods of operation of the satellites (some of the Chalet satellites had at that time been in orbit 11 or 12 years), at the time of the conflict they were put on a round-the clock schedule. The task of intercepting Iraqi radio conversations from space was made easier by the fact that they were for the most part using Soviet communications equipment of the sort the satellites had been designed against.

As a result of retargeting space-based SIGINT apparatus on the Iraqi radio nets, the volume of intercepted information significantly surpassed NSA's processing capability. Consequently the American command was forced to take urgent measures to increase the number of Arabic translators.

Along with carrying out the mission of strategic reconnaissance against Iraqi military C2 radio nets, the United States made special efforts to intercept information of tactical significance (e.g., the fact of airplanes taking off or the movement of tanks as revealed by the radio conversations of the crews) and to deliver it rapidly to users in the theater.


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The missions carried out by space-based SIGINT systems expand as satellite hardware is modernized consist of the following:

- intercept and decryption of governmental, military and diplomatic communications transmitted by radio
intercept of ESM (RES) signals which characterize the operating modes of the higher command organizations, installations of air defense, ABM and missile forces, and also the combat readiness of foreign armed forces
reception of telemetry signals during ballistic missile tests
relay of radio messages from CIA agents in foreign countries.
According to data in the foreign press, the band of radio frequencies which can be intercepted by SIGINT satellites stretches from 100 MHz to 25 GHz. This, however, is difficult to realize in practice as there would have to be a collection of large-scale antennas of differing forms on a satellite. The satellites probably employ the widely used modular principle for combining equipment to carry out specific reconnaissance missions. This is indicated by the simultaneous deployment on orbit of several different groupings of SIGINT satellites (Rhyolite and Chalet, Vortex and Aquacade), which conduct reconnaissance in different parts of the radio spectrum.


So going by the above, you can see how satellites can give considerable amounts of intel on the placement and type of SAM systems, radio communications by opfor ground forces and their plans, etc, using public info that's over 20 years old.

And if you don't want to destroy the enemies satellite system, there's tools for that too.

http://www.rense.com/general59/jam.htm

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force quietly has put into service a new weapon designed to jam enemy satellite communications, a significant step toward U.S. control of space.

The so-called Counter Communications System was declared operational late last month at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, the Air Force Space Command said Friday in e-mailed replies to questions from Reuters.

The ground-based jammer uses electromagnetic radio frequency energy to knock out transmissions on a temporary and reversible basis, without frying components, the command said. "A reversible effect ensures that during the time of need, the adversary's space-based capability to threaten our forces is diminished," said Capt. Angie Blair, a spokeswoman. "Following the time of need, the space-based capabilities used by the adversary can return to its original state."

The device appears to have been put into service considerably earlier than had been projected by the Air Force as recently as February. At that time, a long-range planning document, dubbed the Transformation Flight Plan, said such a system would let the United States by 2010 "deny and disrupt an adversary's space-based communications and early warning" of attack. U.S. military control of space is one of four missions spelled out under a national space policy adopted by former president Bill Clinton in 1996.

The goal is to make sure U.S. forces have unhindered access to space and space-based services and to deny an enemy any similar benefits. The U.S. military has experimented with a range of "antisatellite" (ASAT) weapons, including lasers, to knock out enemy craft by destroying them or damaging their sensors.


http://www.spyflight.co.uk/sat%20jam.htm

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-00q.html



http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/af/af_trans_flightplan_nov03.pdf

In the above link this public 2003 report shows budget info for projects, of interest I found was (Page C-18) "Hypervelocity Rod Bundles"

Page C-12 "Space Based Radio Frequency Energy Weapon"? Page D-10 "satellites containing high-power radio frequency transmitters that possess the capability to disrupt/destory/disable a wide variety of electronics and national-level command and control systems. It would typically be used as a non-kinetic anti-satellite weapon."

Putting it all together and you have a pretty potent force that literally has the high ground.

Then there's the rather shady Space Based Laser program, there's literally not much public info after 1999.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Space_Weapons_04_High_Energy_Laser_System.html
https://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/sbl.htm

Going by the info, there was apparently one full size one made.



Parent company info here: http://www.nircm.com/

They apparetnly worked on a laser blinding Bradley that had two units fielded during the 1991 Gulf war.


among other Directed Energy Weapons. http://www.nircm.com/dew.html



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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 9:43:59 PM   
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Also tried the US F-15 ASAT missile, which had an incredibly small engagement envelope and seemed to work, though at the time it crashed the game at the point the sat was hit.


Thanks for the heads up on this; ASAT impact crash fixed in Build 505.

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RE: Nuclear-tipped DF-21D ASBM video - 3/12/2014 9:50:10 PM   
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Then there's the rather shady Space Based Laser program, there's literally not much public info after 1999.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Space_Weapons_04_High_Energy_Laser_System.html
https://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/sbl.htm

Going by the info, there was apparently one full size one made.



Parent company info here: http://www.nircm.com/


One post-2000 reference claims it was essentially put on hold: https://www.armscontrol.org/node/2987
Haven't been able to verify this though.

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Some more stuff on DEWs & ASAT / counter-sat systems:

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-DEW-HEL-Analysis.html

http://www.slideshare.net/RUSIEVENTS/igor-sutyagin-the-opposite-of-air-power (Slides 71-72, 79-91).

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Thanks for the links Sunburn, some interesting reading materials to go through.

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Thanks, D! I thought I had written it up during beta.

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Also tried the US F-15 ASAT missile, which had an incredibly small engagement envelope and seemed to work, though at the time it crashed the game at the point the sat was hit.


Thanks for the heads up on this; ASAT impact crash fixed in Build 505.


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One of my early episodes included a ASAT connecting; without a crash (the SAT didn't blow up though). In software dev sometimes when you fix something you break something elsewhere.

I just looked it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0XhY59HgUg&list=PLgRuKky0mojZLZ6-qqm524zkS0nym_5Cf&index=4 Episode 2 about a week after release.

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