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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Hold on, let me test this. I'm not as computer savvy as you whippersnappers. Here's a shot from a recent game, Arktik Korps sturmtruppen searching for the Spear of Odin. Indiana Jones is just south of the pictured area:

warspite1

Extraneous has asked that we provide constructive comments. There is also a feeling that comments since your two posts have been unfair. So further to post 86, how about:

The OP asked about Japanese strategies. You were encouraged, as a seasoned WIF player, to provide examples - post 68 - (albeit you could not comment on China given the map changes which is fair enough).

You respond with posts 70 (sarcastic remark re game), 71 (sarcastic nonsense), 73 and 74 (more nonsense - although they do show up the CWIF maps for what they are. What did you say? MWIF offers nothing more than CWIF?), 81 (more sarcastic twaddle).

Finally we get post 85 - a helpful post. So no, I don't think there has been anything unfairly directed at you. You remain what you have always been on this forum.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Didn't know I was being lured into anything, if I knew there was so much interest and so many of you who had never seen the game I would have figured out how to post images much sooner.

Yep, the graphics are rough. I find them worth the purchase price of $0 and in any event graphics are for me far down the list when it comes to judging a game. Maybe you could post pictures from MWiF of SS in Nunavut and Peruvians in Tokyo, so we may compare?

warspite1

How do the Peruvians get to Tokyo? How is that actually possible?

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Didn't know I was being lured into anything, if I knew there was so much interest and so many of you who had never seen the game I would have figured out how to post images much sooner.

Yep, the graphics are rough. I find them worth the purchase price of $0 and in any event graphics are for me far down the list when it comes to judging a game. Maybe you could post pictures from MWiF of SS in Nunavut and Peruvians in Tokyo, so we may compare?

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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

Something's confusing me.

There's still no chain all the way back to Japan. Mogadishu only borders the Azanian sea, not the Arabian sea. Japan doesn't have any 5 moving transports on the first turn, so that means you can't even have a transport end up in the 0 box to keep you in supply.

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

When MWiF is playable we will not want to look at it anymore, either. Besides.. its the same engine as MWiF. Just the bmp files are different for MWiF.

Peruvians in Tokyo :D Whats next? The Kabul MIL in Washington?

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

Japan also has the option to surprise invade in the Persian Gulf from Canton without telegraphing it via using an Italian base at all. They can only make the 2 box, giving the notional some defense factors, but their Marine divisions and sacrificial IJA lambs can make it ashore unless you roll a 5 on the 2d10. The Allies will likely not have much planned to respond to this, and the SNLF might take it on the chin. But playing Japan is about Bushido and BANZAI!

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

The whole idea that Persia and or Saudi Arabia would be good early war objectives is krazy talk. The only question Japan has to answer is this.

Pretoria?

How and when to take it. Without it, no AV.
Simple.

If Persia or Saudi Arabia gets you Pretoria. Then you are just damn good.

My only worthwhile suggestion. Build Synthetic Plant. Both. Don't delay. Buy it. Do it. Make the deal then cackle fiendishly.

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ORIGINAL: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf
If the entry option is aimed at a particular major power, you must move a marker from its entry pool to its tension pool. If there are no markers in the entry pool, the USA can never declare war on that pool’s major power(s).

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Standard impulse 1 and 2
9.3 Compulsory declarations

20. The Axis declares war on Poland 1 USA entry chit and a 20% chance of another will be added to the USA entry pool)

25. The CW or France or both declare war on Germany (There is a 80% chance a USA entry marker will be added to the USA (Ge/It) entry pool)
If the CW and France don't declare war on Germany in the same impulse this done separately for both the CW and France.

US entry pool (Ge/It) 2 markers
US entry pool (Ja) 1 marker

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Standard impulse 3 and 4
20. The Axis declares war on other minor (Denmark) There is a 30% chance of a USA entry marker will be added to the USA entry pool.

26. The USSR controls Eastern Poland (There is a 70% chance a USA marker chit will be removed from the USA (Ge/It) entry pool)
The USSR can exercise its Nazi-Soviet Pact rights to occupy eastern Poland during any Allied land movement step. However, it can only exercise those rights if Poland has not been conquered (see 19.5.1 Eastern Poland).

US entry pool (Ge/It) 1 marker
US entry pool (Ja) 1 marker

19.6 Soviet border rectification
The USSR claims Bessarabia (and has the bombers) Germany allows the claim.

US entry pool (Ge/It) 1 marker
US entry pool (Ja) 1 marker

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ORIGINAL: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf
If the entry option is aimed at a particular major power, you must move a marker from its entry pool to its tension pool. If there are no markers in the entry pool, the USA can never declare war on that pool’s major power(s).

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Impulse 4
The USSR makes a DoW on Persia
31. The USSR declares war on Other minor country (Persia) There is a 90% chance of a USA entry marker being removed from the USA (Ge/It) entry pool)

US entry pool (Ge/It) Zero markers
US entry pool (Ja) 1 marker

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Assuming that you use the same Japanese invasion plan as suggested for Suadi Arabia.

7. Italy declares war on CW or France or both 70% chance a USA entry marker will be added to the USA (Ge/It) entry pool.

20. The Axis declares war on Other minor (Persia) (JA) There is a 30% chance of a USA entry marker will be added to the USA entry pool.


21. The Allies support an attacked minor (Persia) there is 70% chance of a USA entry marker will be added to the USA (Ge/It) entry pool
This requires 4+ Allied corps or armies (not counting the units of the minor itself).

US entry pool (Ge/It) 2 markers
US entry pool (Ja) 1 marker

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21. Allies support attacked minor - the Allies have supported an attacked minor country if there are at least 4 Allied corps or armies in the minor’s unconquered home country during the Allied minor support step of the same turn an Axis major power declared war on it. Soviet units in east Poland don’t count and neither do the minor’s own units.

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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

1) Even with oil, if there's only one chit in the Europe entry pool, I'll take the 70 (or is it 80? I forget) percent chance that if the Soviets demand Bessarabia, the U.S. can never enter the war in Europe. That's precisely why, at least when I was playing more actively, almost everyone put all 3 starting chits in the Ge/It pool, and let Japan catch up later.


2) And you're leaving out the (at least it was) very popular CW or CW+France DoW on Portugal the first chance they get. That's another 50% chance of an entry chit flying away in the breeze.

3) Edit: And I'm not sure how you're going to get the support bonus if Japan invades Persia. Unless the Soviets were planning on invading on the first turn, it would be unlikely that they have forces massed on the Persian border. That means to get anything in, they're going to have to rail move, and since they're not at war with a major power, that means one rail move per impulse. Unlikely to the extreme that the turn will last long enough to get 4 corps in, and same with the British or the French being able to ship that much in the way of force to defend.

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21. Allies support attacked minor - the Allies have supported an attacked minor country if there are at least 4 Allied corps or armies in the minor’s unconquered home country during the Allied minor support step of the same turn an Axis major power declared war on it. Soviet units in east Poland don’t count and neither do the minor’s own units.

4)It has to be that turn of the DOW, you can't dribble the units in over a couple of turns to count. If you're playing with LOS, the Japanese are probably going to attack fairly late in the turn anyway, so I wouldn't count on being able to get the minor support.

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ORIGINAL: Auchinleck

I'm playing a Solitaire Global War. I'm a bit at a loss on how to begin the game as the Japanese player. After the initial setup, most of the land units are committed to China. War with the U.S. seems a ways off if it doesn't happen until late 1941. Because this game is so different from anything I've ever attempted to play, and because so much is not intuitive yet, I'm unsure what I should be using the vast Japanese navy for in the meantime, and where I should be sending troops to, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous



3) Yes, I plan to set up on the Persian border as I previously posted. Then I only need to bring in 2 other armies. I was amused that Japanese actions in the Middle East has no real affect on the Ja pool but has a large impact on the Ge/It pool.

4) There is no need to dribble troops. Remember this is a telegraphed (signaled far in advance) move by the Japanese. When the USSR sees Japanese troops in Mogadishu waiting for final reorganization that should be a red flag to the USSR to get units to the Persian border. Because Persia with three oil is more tempting than Saudi Arabia with one oil.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

What happens if Japan just waits for the US to go to war first? Or is that just not a very smart move?

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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

Not a great move in my book. If the Japanese wait, then the U.S. will set up a large force, especially submarines, in Manila. THat's one sea zone next to your artery of the China sea, and 2 away from the Sea of Japan. Send out the subs on a surprise impulse and the Japanese can lose the game in a turn. You've got to keep that from happpening, and that usually means a DoW from the Japanese side.

But the Soviets set up before the Japanese. And I thought we're talking a first turn attack, so if I'm the Japanese player, and I see the Soviets massing on the Persian border, then I'm in no hurry to attack, I'll just shift some bodies up to Manchuria and grab your resources in Siberia instead.

And if it is a "telegraphed" attack by the Japanese...... It still takes at most 2 naval impulses to get the convoys to Mogadishu, and then a third combined impulse to sail out, put CP in the Persian gulf, and have the second naval move ferry in your invading divisions. Even if the Soviet player figures it out the second the "odd" CP move to the Bay of Bengal happens, he's got what? Time to rail in 2-3 corps? And that's assuming he doesn't need those in other places. You want a deterrant force on the Manchurian border, you want to grab Bessarabia, you want East Poland and the Baltics, you maybe want to bully Finland. You also need troops on the front with Germany to stop those pesky 40 barb trick plays.

I am far from convinced it would be easy to get the Allies support minor in Persia.

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ORIGINAL: Zartacla

I still think this is all a lot of crazy talk, and here's why.

My Japanese strategy in the first half of the war has 2 primary objectives: Knock China out (or make them a paper tiger) and keep the US out of the war for as long as possible.

US entry is really the driving force behind the game. And it's not just a matter of keeping them out of the war - it's delaying their gear ups, keeping their navy from interfering with convoy attacks, slowing down US and CW reinforcements to the Pacific, delaying the embargo, etc..

As for China - while it's true there's not much to win there, the choice to go to war or not go to war in China has already been made for you. Success in China means a few extra resources and a few extra factories, while the oil in the middle east is probably worth more (until the convoys are cut, at least). However, there is a lot to lose in China. A strong China when the US comes into the war will tie up your land troops, force you to make difficult decisions on action choices, and could threaten to retake resources you've already gained. A weakened or conquered China frees up your army, gives you more flexibility in action choices, protects your resources and offers a few more points of production as a bonus.

Any Japanese strategy that isn't pushing those two buttons is, in my opinion, a win for the allies. The attacks on Saudi Arabia and Persia, while interesting theoretical discussions, impeded both of my two primary aims. They accelerate the war with the US while distracting the Japanese from their primary mission in China. It's a lot like going to war in Iraq without first securing Afghanistan, if I might use a more contemporary analogy.

To answer the OP's original question - what do I do with the Japanese navy in the early war - the answer is: nothing. For the first two years or so of the war, your navy is a shuttle service, getting your ground troops into China.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I would prefer to have the USSR conquer Persia on turn 1.