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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/20/2014 6:59:42 PM

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A view from the Soviet side on the last turn before the pocket, map after Soviet moves. The line looked safe enough, and I had even withdrawn from the Kursk bulge, but it is always hard to judge on those turns when the weather goes from mud to clear. It is easy to underestimate the mobility of the Panzers.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/20/2014 7:04:40 PM

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Some consolation is that the German mobile formations actually don't have very impressive combat values, motorized divisions with a CV of 4 or 5 for example. And it is possible to kick around some units of the outer ring, but not break the pocket. Map after Soviet moves turn 47. German supply will probably be difficult in the corridor, so STAVKA estimate is that they will not be able to repeat the performance next clear turn. Map after Soviet moves.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/20/2014 7:07:48 PM

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On the production side, tank pools are brimming, while rifle units are slow to build up. Apparently, somewhat paradoxically, the Soviet army has lots of hardware but a lack of soldiers! STAVKA will switch new units raised from infantry to more tank units. It is still my opinion that separate tank battalions are the most AP, truck and manpower efficient way of getting tanks to the front.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/20/2014 7:09:28 PM

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A review of Generals performance uncovers some unexpected issues. Where did this guy get his idea for a moustache style? Do we have a case of doubtful loyalty?

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/20/2014 7:36:33 PM

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Great updates, Tarhunnas, thanks they are a pleasure to read. As you say, Akimov's political rating seems very high in view of his 'stache. Maybe that "explains" his 6-16 won-lost record.

Too bad about that pocket. I didn't think you could break it but it will be sad to see those guard units taken prisoner.

What is your manpower pool at the moment (if it's not secret)?

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/20/2014 8:12:53 PM

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I made a mistake while reading 8 and not 28 for the Pzd stack on the north of the Pocket

A 28 CV stack couldn't be moved. I definitely prefer the "old" counters.

In the South your troops were too far...

As long as the Pzd/mot will be close from the rail line, they will keep high MP value.

Summer 1942 won't be an easy task.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/21/2014 7:10:02 PM

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Turn 48 Crimea
The Soviets build a defense along the Salagir river in an attempt to extract some of their doomed units. Lucky for me though the Southern half of the Crimea is mud free and my armor is able to assault the line and cut off the retreating forces.
I now have four German corps committed to this offensive and I can't help but feel it's a waste of effort despite the prisoners I'll take. I'm in two minds whether or not to abandon the place after mopping up.
There really should be VPs in the Crimea. Sevastopol obviously and perhaps Kerch and Simferapol too. 5 VPs in the Crimea would be worth fighting for and would reflect the importance it held for both sides.
53rd corps has been sent South to capture the port at Henichesk but this has left the area South of Zaparozhy weak. The Soviets have noticed and launched a minor offensive in the area so I've had to dispatch 1st corps from the strategic reserve with 2 mot divs and 2 inf divs to restore order.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/22/2014 3:40:09 AM

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Maybe it is time to hold off on ordering any more tank battalions; that tank pool looks kinda small.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/24/2014 9:46:26 PM

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What is your manpower pool at the moment (if it's not secret)?

Manpower pool turn 49.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/24/2014 9:49:40 PM

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Turn 49 is clear, and the evil fascist invaders create another pocket. However, heroic attacks by the 1st Shock Army succeeds in pushing a corridor to the surrounded comrades. Next turn will be mud, which means that the pocket will survive for at least another two weeks, even if their eventual fate is probably sealed.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/24/2014 9:51:30 PM

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OOB and losses turn 50.

It is comforting to see that the Red Army has been growing since turn 46, even with two armies lost to encirclement. However, German men at the front is also increasing slightly. But, German tank strength has been going down!

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/24/2014 11:22:08 PM

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Another spot to attack is that German division with army HQ on top, between two guards cav corps.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 8:32:02 AM

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Another spot to attack is that German division with army HQ on top, between two guards cav corps.

I did try, but my offensive power was exhausted... Note that there are two flipped hexes to reach attack position, and most Soviet units cannot hndle that and make a delib. It sure would have been nice to cut the panzer wurst in two peices.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 8:41:51 AM

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Another spot to attack is that German division with army HQ on top, between two guards cav corps.

I did try, but my offensive power was exhausted... Note that there are two flipped hexes to reach attack position, and most Soviet units cannot hndle that and make a delib. It sure would have been nice to cut the panzer wurst in two peices.

That's exactly the case when tank corps would come handy.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 1:20:02 PM

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Tim's tank force is trashed!

Is he going to have anything left for the 42 summer?

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 2:24:02 PM

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I left most of the armor out during the blizzard and it hasn't recovered. From a purely gamey point of view there's probably still a lot to be said for simply running 200 miles in the South and preserving all the best armor and infantry intact in rear cities.
Never mind, as long as there's one tank left to capture VP 260 that's all that matters.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 2:48:27 PM

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Here's the pocket from my point of view at the end of the turn it was made. I thought there was a 60% chance of it holding, but there are weaknesses I hadn't spotted. I could have made it impregnable but I was very keen to occupy the wooded area to the SE.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 3:06:08 PM

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I could have made it impregnable but I was very keen to occupy the wooded area to the SE.

This part I don't understand. After Tarhunnas's counterattacks aren't you more or less forced to pull those units back anyway? And even if not, wasn't securing the pocket more important than holding the woods?

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 3:16:56 PM

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With hindsight, yes I should have secured the pocket completely (well 99% anyway). Just got greedy I suppose.

The woods were the icing on the cake, but I forgot to bake the cake - D'oh!
I've only had to relinquish one of the hexes.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/25/2014 6:48:38 PM

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May be it's time to give ground for SHC...

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/26/2014 8:29:13 AM

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May be it's time to give ground for SHC...

Maybe, I have of course been thinking about that, but it's easier said than done. The problem is that if I give ground, I will be out in the open without fortifications. And with the alternate mud/clear turns in spring I will have to retreat in mud, which means that I will be able to retreat maybe 2 hexes, which is not really enough to make much of a difference. Note that i did retreat before the Kursk pocket (see map above), and that didnt seem to hinder the Germans making a pocket.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/26/2014 11:07:12 AM

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You don't seem to be in any hurry to combine the infantry brigades to divisions, any particular reason?

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/26/2014 12:08:42 PM

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Well, I am combining a fair number each turn, but as you say, I am in no particular hurry. In some areas I feel the brigades are useful to spread out and get depth. I also want to keep some brigades to use in making rifle corps.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/26/2014 2:28:40 PM

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What is the current Axis VP total? I'm wondering just how much room for retreat Tarhunnas has before facing a "do or die" stand for the final cities, if it comes to that.

BTW checking the Soviet OOB from post 131 you can see they will start the 42 summer with greater strength than the historical OOB as shown in the start of the 42 scenario. All this in spite of losing Moscow and Leningrad. Weird.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/26/2014 2:50:16 PM

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I think it's 236 at the moment. The game's quite nicely balanced.
You are right, the 260 VP check does in 42 what should be done in 41. The Soviet player can't just run like crazy, but has to delay and weaken the Germans as much as possible even if it means sacrificing men.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/27/2014 2:27:49 AM

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This is a very interesting game, the losses suffered by Tarhunnas but still ready to battle it out in 42 seems amazing. I am just reading teh AARs, deciding to buy or not. But this has been an excellent read, thank you both.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/30/2014 8:29:54 PM

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Turn 52, Clear.

The Hitlerists make a powerful thrust straight east and cross the Don. I hadn't expected that they could do that, but on the plus side, there is no major encirclement. Every clear turn without a pocket is a good turn :-). Map before Soviet moves.

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RE: A snapshot AAR - 3/30/2014 8:33:48 PM

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The Red Army is not taking this passively however. A number of attacks are made in other sectors of the front with the aim of keeping the German invaders occupied. We do not want them to have any quiet sectors of the front. Here is a map of two successful attacks in the Moscow region. We are drawing steadily nearer to liberating Moscow... As can be seen, a couple of Guards Rifle Corps have been formed in this region to give additional power to the attacks.