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Liberation question. - 4/2/2014 3:21:28 PM   
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Late 1942: France has been Vichied, and Vichy has since been collapsed. Allied units (who were never completely driven out of that little area around Bordeaux) have been making some advances in south and western France, including re-taking of Toulouse.


Can the Allies liberate those hexes back to Free France? Will the factory still work if they do so? Before re-taking Paris, that is.

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/2/2014 6:13:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge


Late 1942: France has been Vichied, and Vichy has since been collapsed. Allied units (who were never completely driven out of that little area around Bordeaux) have been making some advances in south and western France, including re-taking of Toulouse.


Can the Allies liberate those hexes back to Free France? Will the factory still work if they do so? Before re-taking Paris, that is.



No.
No.

Reverting hexes to the original owner is asked when a country is liberated (i.e., the capital is retaken).

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/2/2014 6:43:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to RAW, you can only revert hexes to the original owner during the liberation step. If a country isn't liberated, you can't revert hexes, because there isn't a liberation step for that country.

Solution: liberate factories in France with Free French units moving first into the hex...

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/2/2014 6:55:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, liberation, fine.

But what about just using the factory. So, for instance, say the US moves into a blue factory hex and now the hex is US controlled. Why can't they use it? Is it because only the original owning major power can use blues? So if it were a red, then US could use it?

In my AAR, US has taken possession of Nantez

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/2/2014 7:42:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets



No.
No.

Reverting hexes to the original owner is asked when a country is liberated (i.e., the capital is retaken).




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ORIGINAL: Centuur

According to RAW, you can only revert hexes to the original owner during the liberation step. If a country isn't liberated, you can't revert hexes, because there isn't a liberation step for that country.

Solution: liberate factories in France with Free French units moving first into the hex...




Are you guys sure? Because the RAW version I have (which might be out of date) says:

quote:

Reversion

You can return a hex or minor country you control to the major power that controlled it in 1939 during any liberation step. You may revert Chinese hexes to either the Communists or Nationalists. You can also return control of a minor country hex to that minor country. You can only return hexes or minor countries to a major power or minor country that is on your side and is not currently completely conquered.



It's a hex I control, during the liberation phase. I don't see anything in there about having to liberate the entire country to revert a hex. Surely the step happens independently of whether or not something is done in that step, just the same as conquest or Allies support a minor. And at least in the version I have, it's a separate section from "Liberation effects", which implies a separateness.

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/2/2014 8:00:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

Are you guys sure? Because the RAW version I have (which might be out of date) says:

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Reversion

You can return a hex or minor country you control to the major power that controlled it in 1939 during any liberation step. You may revert Chinese hexes to either the Communists or Nationalists. You can also return control of a minor country hex to that minor country. You can only return hexes or minor countries to a major power or minor country that is on your side and is not currently completely conquered.


It's a hex I control, during the liberation phase. I don't see anything in there about having to liberate the entire country to revert a hex. Surely the step happens independently of whether or not something is done in that step, just the same as conquest or Allies support a minor. And at least in the version I have, it's a separate section from "Liberation effects", which implies a separateness.

You are right about RAW, but hex-by-hex reversion is not implemented in MWiF. This is identified as a deviation in RAC.

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/3/2014 5:11:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Centuur

According to RAW, you can only revert hexes to the original owner during the liberation step. If a country isn't liberated, you can't revert hexes, because there isn't a liberation step for that country.

Solution: liberate factories in France with Free French units moving first into the hex...


Sorry. I made a typo here. I should have written RAC and not RAW...

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/28/2014 8:34:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even with RAW though since you have to return a Hex to the Major Country that controlled it in 1939, you could not return control of a hex to Free France. Only if France once more exists can it be given those hexes.

Now I am not a rules Grognard for WIF, but reading the RAW as Urvile posted it it seems to me you could not turn over a hex to Free France but I sure could be missing something.

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RE: Liberation question. - 4/29/2014 8:02:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Covered in the FAQ Q13.7-18:
Q: Since Vichy France minors are aligned, they are conquered, correct (see 13.7.1 4th paragraph)? So how can you liberate them? If you can't liberate them, how can you return them to Free France?
A: They are not conquered, they are aligned to Vichy and can be conquered from her. Their hexes can all be reverted to Free France which is the successor to 1939 France. Date 28/12/2007

But in MWiF only implemented by entire country, not hex-by-hex. (You cannot, however, use this as a method to reconstitute a conquered Free France.)



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RE: Liberation question. - 4/29/2014 3:32:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Pauldernyck. That clears it up!

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