Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

As long as they don't go with that DRM mess I'm fine with it also. Though I won't be buying any of their games on Steam I'm glad they can use other avenues to get their products out there and noticed.

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Does a wolf in sheeps clothing mean it will not eat the sheep? I might remind you that Brad with Stardock said and promised the same things, but did he keep his word when money mattered more?

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ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Does a wolf in sheeps clothing mean it will not eat the sheep? I might remind you that Brad with Stardock said and promised the same things, but did he keep his word when money mattered more?

I guess you'll just have to see what we actually do in future, rather than extrapolating from decisions made by other people at other times running other companies...

Cheers

Pip

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ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Does a wolf in sheeps clothing mean it will not eat the sheep? I might remind you that Brad with Stardock said and promised the same things, but did he keep his word when money mattered more?

I guess you'll just have to see what we actually do in future, rather than extrapolating from decisions made by other people at other times running other companies...

Cheers

Pip

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ORIGINAL: wodin

One big problem with games that hit Steam is they will soon by up for pirate download. Whilst when just with Matrix it's unlikely they will get pirated. Checking out my hunch I've found Distant Worlds Universe already cracked and uploaded for starters. I bet there was no DW pirate version before.

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ORIGINAL: DSWargamer

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ORIGINAL: wodin

One big problem with games that hit Steam is they will soon by up for pirate download. Whilst when just with Matrix it's unlikely they will get pirated. Checking out my hunch I've found Distant Worlds Universe already cracked and uploaded for starters. I bet there was no DW pirate version before.

That's really false.

The first horrible fact is there is zero defense against piracy. I have seen it so often it is really naive in the extreme to waste any effort on DRM. Next horrible fact is niche gamers are not somehow noble based on some belief they would never betray their own.

Skill in the finding is the only barrier in being able to do the locating. It's all out there. And yes, you can find copies of every single Matrix Games title. Yes sadly, all of them. There is nothing thrilling about that fact, but fact it is.

I support Matrix Games and Slitherine with my purchases, because they are not treating me like crap in the mistaken belief that crappy treatment based DRM does a damned thing. That elicense garbage from Battlefront for instance, it is no barrier to their games either. It is not preventing you from getting John's games either. Pirates pirate for the kick of defeating your code. They don't want your game, they just want the accolades from their fellow hackers that they beat the DRM yet again.

I like that Slitherine Group offers free Steam keys to all their store purchased games.
There is zero reason for a Matrix Games or Slitherine fan to buy the game from Steam, because buying here means you get there for free. Buying on Steam means you only have the Steam release and yes, if something ever happens to Steam, you have nothing.

I support any method of Slitherine Group getting MORE cash. I see Steam as nothing more than an advertising scheme. It's Steam means to me. If they went solely to Steam, sure they would still be IN business, but they likely would trash the hell out of a lot of loyal business too.

Other than Civilization V and expansions, I really don't value any of my other Steam purchases. I was FORCED to go to Steam for Civ. It wasn't preference though. I have bought the physical copies in the store though. I at least don't need to rely on downloading the file to install. If Steam died, I suspect my physical copies would be worthless. That would suck.

But all of my Slitherine Group purchases are where they belong..... safely stored in redundant locations around my various devices. I'd need to have my apartment burn to the ground to lose my wargame collection. And after that event, I think it would be about 20 years before I got over it, or likely never, as I am unsure I'll be alive in 20 years :)

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ORIGINAL: wodin

False??? Well as soon as it went on steam it was up on a certain website more or less straight away.

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

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ORIGINAL: wodin

False??? Well as soon as it went on steam it was up on a certain website more or less straight away.

I think he means that it was up on some pirate site long before Steam but Steam just makes it that much more popular to steal now.

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ORIGINAL: wodin

Sure it's alot easier to hack steam DRM than Matrix. Just a hunch. Matrix needs a serial, steam doesn't.

Like it or not being on Steam brings it into the mainstream which will then make it more likely to be pirated.

By the way I use Steam and have no issues with it, I'm not a Steam hater.

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

We are absolutely not going to stop releasing games through our sites. Steam is another shop window. We did this before Steam and we'll be doing it after they've gone :)

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

I use external portable hard drives now to store videos and game .exe setup files. I hardly use DVD's for anything anymore. I've learned to keep like a double backup of the stuff though because if one of those hard drives goes out you are sol without it. DVD's are nice but they don't store all that much compared to a 750mb hard driver or 1 tb and they aren't as convenient as a portable hard drive which is just a plugin or plugout away. Of course we have the members section here but they keep that whonky at best as I have games that showup in Plimus that don't show up in the members list and I registered them. But, all this online stuff is new so I expect some bugs and glitches. As long as I can store stuff outside of this site I'm fine anyways. Flashdrives are also becoming more popular with me. Especially for travel between friends houses to take data files or a game I like.

One problem or another problem I still have today is requiring consumers to buy an individual copy of a game for every person that plays it in your household or friends. I've never agreed with this as when growing up everyone didn't have to own a copy of monopoly or an Avalon Hill game to play them. That to me is just greed with that kind of requirement. If one person buys it then everyone that person comes in contact with (thats a friend or aquaintence) can play it. Never have liked or agreed with this licensing BS.

We also traded games and sold our games when no longer in use or wanted to play. I sold "Guadacanal" by AH a $3.64 game for $40 later on in life and then it went up to $200. I am sick. Back about 6-7 years ago I also sold my old copy of DOS Empire for $50, I was amazed a game so old and a computer game brought in so much money. But, if was mine and my right to sell it. Some bloke in Canada bought it.

That's the thing I don't like about STEAM though the most is non-property rights to a product I bought just like monopoly or AH games. I can't sell these games unless I use some sly method like make a new account and get an email for every indvidual game I buy there and then if/when I want to sell it I have to give the email address away also (which is tied to the account for that game)

Now, I hear some talk about making your accounts computer based and you have to have an account on that computer you origionally set the client up on to play your games only allowing for one other means of storage like a laptop for those that play on the run. If you upgrade or buy a new computer you have to register it with Steam for that account. It's a mess and that's the last thing I want to see happen. What I really want is it to be like in the UK. Consumers have the right to sell their games once used and Steam can do nothing about it.

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

I use external portable hard drives now to store videos and game .exe setup files. I hardly use DVD's for anything anymore. I've learned to keep like a double backup of the stuff though because if one of those hard drives goes out you are sol without it. DVD's are nice but they don't store all that much compared to a 750mb hard driver or 1 tb and they aren't as convenient as a portable hard drive which is just a plugin or plugout away. Of course we have the members section here but they keep that whonky at best as I have games that showup in Plimus that don't show up in the members list and I registered them. But, all this online stuff is new so I expect some bugs and glitches. As long as I can store stuff outside of this site I'm fine anyways. Flashdrives are also becoming more popular with me. Especially for travel between friends houses to take data files or a game I like.

One problem or another problem I still have today is requiring consumers to buy an individual copy of a game for every person that plays it in your household or friends. I've never agreed with this as when growing up everyone didn't have to own a copy of monopoly or an Avalon Hill game to play them. That to me is just greed with that kind of requirement. If one person buys it then everyone that person comes in contact with (thats a friend or aquaintence) can play it. Never have liked or agreed with this licensing BS.

We also traded games and sold our games when no longer in use or wanted to play. I sold "Guadacanal" by AH a $3.64 game for $40 later on in life and then it went up to $200. I am sick. Back about 6-7 years ago I also sold my old copy of DOS Empire for $50, I was amazed a game so old and a computer game brought in so much money. But, if was mine and my right to sell it. Some bloke in Canada bought it.

That's the thing I don't like about STEAM though the most is non-property rights to a product I bought just like monopoly or AH games. I can't sell these games unless I use some sly method like make a new account and get an email for every indvidual game I buy there and then if/when I want to sell it I have to give the email address away also (which is tied to the account for that game)

Now, I hear some talk about making your accounts computer based and you have to have an account on that computer you origionally set the client up on to play your games only allowing for one other means of storage like a laptop for those that play on the run. If you upgrade or buy a new computer you have to register it with Steam for that account. It's a mess and that's the last thing I want to see happen. What I really want is it to be like in the UK. Consumers have the right to sell their games once used and Steam can do nothing about it.

You may not understand but all the bunk above you spout off about is one of the reasons for DRMs. You don't get to make the rules. Of course you can do what you want and more than likely will never will
be caught or punished. Software theft costs many people their jobs. But, as long as YOU get what you want it is obvious that you don't care.
Move to the UK if you don't like the USA laws, or contact your members of Congress and try to have ours changed.

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< Message edited by aaatoysandmore -- 5/25/2014 9:55:35 AM >

(in reply to wworld7)

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

I use external portable hard drives now to store videos and game .exe setup files. I hardly use DVD's for anything anymore. I've learned to keep like a double backup of the stuff though because if one of those hard drives goes out you are sol without it. DVD's are nice but they don't store all that much compared to a 750mb hard driver or 1 tb and they aren't as convenient as a portable hard drive which is just a plugin or plugout away. Of course we have the members section here but they keep that whonky at best as I have games that showup in Plimus that don't show up in the members list and I registered them. But, all this online stuff is new so I expect some bugs and glitches. As long as I can store stuff outside of this site I'm fine anyways. Flashdrives are also becoming more popular with me. Especially for travel between friends houses to take data files or a game I like.

One problem or another problem I still have today is requiring consumers to buy an individual copy of a game for every person that plays it in your household or friends. I've never agreed with this as when growing up everyone didn't have to own a copy of monopoly or an Avalon Hill game to play them. That to me is just greed with that kind of requirement. If one person buys it then everyone that person comes in contact with (thats a friend or aquaintence) can play it. Never have liked or agreed with this licensing BS.

We also traded games and sold our games when no longer in use or wanted to play. I sold "Guadacanal" by AH a $3.64 game for $40 later on in life and then it went up to $200. I am sick. Back about 6-7 years ago I also sold my old copy of DOS Empire for $50, I was amazed a game so old and a computer game brought in so much money. But, if was mine and my right to sell it. Some bloke in Canada bought it.

That's the thing I don't like about STEAM though the most is non-property rights to a product I bought just like monopoly or AH games. I can't sell these games unless I use some sly method like make a new account and get an email for every indvidual game I buy there and then if/when I want to sell it I have to give the email address away also (which is tied to the account for that game)

Now, I hear some talk about making your accounts computer based and you have to have an account on that computer you origionally set the client up on to play your games only allowing for one other means of storage like a laptop for those that play on the run. If you upgrade or buy a new computer you have to register it with Steam for that account. It's a mess and that's the last thing I want to see happen. What I really want is it to be like in the UK. Consumers have the right to sell their games once used and Steam can do nothing about it.

You may not understand but all the bunk above you spout off about is one of the reasons for DRMs. You don't get to make the rules. Of course you can do what you want and more than likely will never will
be caught or punished. Software theft costs many people their jobs. But, as long as YOU get what you want it is obvious that you don't care.
Move to the UK if you don't like the USA laws, or contact your members of Congress and try to have ours changed.