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My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 12:33:35 PM

Tokyo Boy

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Hello everyone,

I m a new japanese innocent victim. Please help me to don t be too much ridiculous
my question:
I don t know how the fatigue runs. What is a big fatigue 10 , 20 more ? What does that mean in combat terms ?
how to handle this . reduce cap to 50% or give one day off to my squadron a week ?

please help me

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 1:54:19 PM

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Fatigue up to 20s is not that much ... I think fatigue cannot reach over 100. Thus it represent a %. However game may use parabolic algorithm of its effect (square is great example).

I think that general consensus among players would be to keep fatigue as low as possible, 10 is quite normal, 20 is quite high, 30+ is generally avoided.

For best recovery of fatigue stand down a squadron for a turn or two. Other means to decrease fatigue - fly shorter distances, have good leader, fly smaller percentage of planes, have more pilots than planes in squadron (1/3rd more pilots in squadron)...

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 2:20:10 PM

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thks Barb

it s very clear.

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 3:59:40 PM

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quote:

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Fatigue up to 20s is not that much ... I think fatigue cannot reach over 100. Thus it represent a %. However game may use parabolic algorithm of its effect (square is great example).

I think that general consensus among players would be to keep fatigue as low as possible, 10 is quite normal, 20 is quite high, 30+ is generally avoided.

For best recovery of fatigue stand down a squadron for a turn or two. Other means to decrease fatigue - fly shorter distances, have good leader, fly smaller percentage of planes, have more pilots than planes in squadron (1/3rd more pilots in squadron)...

For air units, I try to stay in the single digits...

For ground units, I'll let it go all the way up to 40 before I think about not attacking, given that levels of 27-28 are common simply from enemy units being in the hex.

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 4:31:02 PM

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I put CAP on 30%. Keeps fat down. Send in another squadron if you need more CAP. If you have bombers flying from the same base, add 40% rest, otherwise 30% will be on CAP and 70% of the squadron will escort the bombers and fat will skyrocket.

Bombers flying to ground attack enemy in it's own hex can usually fly everyday. If it is a very short range and limited enemy resistance, they might be able to fly for two or even three days before fat builds up too high. I might fly a bombing mission with a fat of 8, but by 10, I let them rest unless they are critically needed.

Like barb says, try to keep pilot fat below 10.

Ground units in a malaria zone will accrue quite a bit of fat just from the malaria. Keep an eye on them and consider rotating them out if fat levels get too high. If you have to be in a malarial zone, try to stay in the largest bases. I think port and airbase size add to reduce malarial fat, but I am not sure.

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 5:20:44 PM

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For land units in malaria zone, if they don't need to be in combat mode (e.g., not working engineers, nor protecting against a cross river attack or air assault) consider putting them in rest/training mode if there is low likelihood or air or naval attack.

With planes, don't just look at the pilot fatigue. Select "PLANES" at the bottom of the air group display and look at plane fatigue. If you allow this to get high, ops losses will increase significantly. My rough guide is not to fly planes where it is above 30 and for general usage to keep it so about half the aircraft are in single figures.

It particularly goes up for long transfer flights, for long range bombing, for patrol craft that are run at too high a rate.

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 7:17:03 PM

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For land units in malaria zone, if they don't need to be in combat mode (e.g., not working engineers, nor protecting against a cross river attack or air assault) consider putting them in rest/training mode if there is low likelihood or air or naval attack.

With planes, don't just look at the pilot fatigue. Select "PLANES" at the bottom of the air group display and look at plane fatigue. If you allow this to get high, ops losses will increase significantly. My rough guide is not to fly planes where it is above 30 and for general usage to keep it so about half the aircraft are in single figures.

It particularly goes up for long transfer flights, for long range bombing, for patrol craft that are run at too high a rate.

I try to keep mine under 20. If I'm considering a sweep and plane fatigue is in the 20s or higher for most of the airframes, I call it off. I don't want to lose pilots because a plane is getting run down. On CAP, I have a higher tolerance as I'm less likely to lose the pilot over my own base.

I run CAP higher than 30%, also. If I only flew 30% CAP with my air units and flew in more units if I needed more CAP... I would quickly run out of fighter units. I prefer to have dedicated CAP and dedicated escort squadrons if possible, rather than having one unit fulfill both roles. If I do only have one unit available, I will split it into thirds so that I can have dedicated CAP and escort sub-units. This helps me better manage pilot and airframe fatigue, as well as choosing less experienced pilots for Ablative Escort Duty while my highly experienced pilots remain on CAP (if I want to do it that way).

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 5/28/2014 8:49:35 PM

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Wise advices. my squadron is in Port Moresby and is high exposed to a lot of fighters
As Attacker choose the day of attack he all the time outnumber my force by 100 % escort against 30% cap

In that way I plan to use high level of cap 70 or 100 and then relocate my squadron in a safety place and send another fresh squadron.
I think I will repel a an enemy attack in these followings days (PBEM) so then i can launch a counter attack with bombers

ok i didn t pay attention to aircraft fatigue and additionnal pilots tks !

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 6/6/2014 1:37:54 AM

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=> Hello Spidery , Hello everyone. How to deal with aircrafts fatigue ? Put some pilots in reserve in order to dont use tired aircrafts ?

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 6/6/2014 7:40:11 AM

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Stand down air ops...

and the planes will slowly recover fatigue

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 6/6/2014 7:04:57 PM

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Having more aviation support will help too. Although I never find out, why sometimes the planes recover in one week and sometimes, all plane are in maintenance and it take 2 day ?

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 6/7/2014 6:08:18 AM

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Clear

As I have a lot of squadrons in the Guadalcanal scenario. As I already lost a CV in my game against mcd. I need to get the air superiority.
So on Port Moresby level 4 I use around 200 aircrafts. 1 day fly 1 day off that means 60 fighters CAP everyday with a fatigue below 10.

100% CAP x4 (-1 groups limit) squadron of 15 fighters each = 60
better than
50% CAP x 5 squadron of 15 fighters each = 40

huh huh huh

I know that is a luxury tactic to use 8 squadrons but my air kill ratio is 1 to 3 with pilots 50 - 60 EXP

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RE: My men need some holidays ? fatigue question - 6/7/2014 8:44:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tokyo Boy

=> Hello Spidery , Hello everyone. How to deal with aircrafts fatigue ? Put some pilots in reserve in order to dont use tired aircrafts ?

If you fly with a 10-20% rest in the group, so for exampe CAP 60% rest 20% those planes resting will recover fatigue while the group is still flying it's mission. This works especially well if you're flying CAP somewhere that you may not be attacked every day but you need to keep it up daily. Then if it's very likely you'll be swept or bombed, you can switch to a higher percentage for shorter periods of time.

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