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Large Liner Artwork - 6/3/2014 3:03:09 PM   
Don Bowen


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Status: offline 		Does anyone have artwork for the Mauretania, the Nieuw Amsterdam and the Ile de France in wartime gray?

I've noticed a couple of mentions to the service of these two three liners in the Pacific and it seems that both all three were active early war and then again late war.

Edit: Nieuw Amsterdam shows up more than the other two!


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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/3/2014 3:37:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have the Ile de France in is peace time colors if that helps. I think it came from Zulu.


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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/4/2014 12:01:20 AM   
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Found it. Came from Sulu Sea. Unfortunately I have neither the tools nor the talent to convert it to wartime gray.

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/4/2014 12:28:26 AM   
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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/5/2014 3:56:03 PM   
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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/5/2014 6:05:46 PM   
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Nice picture, thanks.

For those that are interested in the source of my interest, it is:
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKWW2-3900Intro.htm

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/10/2014 4:04:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have Aquitania in war colors. The deck lines and aft 25% are different for Mauretaina, but not hard to do. Can do if you want.

If SuluSea has an Ile de France, I can do a paint job on it. Prefer ship art on blank background, but can handle side/shil art panels, if necessary.

Shoot me a pm if you are still looking. John




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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/11/2014 2:36:14 PM   
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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 1:15:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh pooh. I did the 1906 ship, but Don was looking for the Mauretania II from 1938. Oh well, maybe someone can use it.





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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 1:57:46 PM   
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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 2:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you kindly. Here's the one that Don wanted; Mauretania II from 1938.


Yes, I know the stacks are supposed to be grey, buy one of my little idiosyncracies is to paint stacks in house colors. Kind of a nod to the great lines of the day. Hope ya'll don't mind too much.

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 3:49:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, would it be a bother to add the shil?

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 4:42:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		No bother at all. Here's a zip of lots of stuff, including ship and shil of both Mauretanias.

Ciao. John

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 7:08:13 PM   
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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/12/2014 7:40:05 PM   
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John, you are a true gentleman. And a very good artist!

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 12:57:44 AM   
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John, you are a true gentleman. And a very good artist!



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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 1:27:23 AM   
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He's in an elite group of three (my ego?)


Three as in Three Amigo's?

Agreed!!!

Any particular paint scheme you looking for Don?

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 1:48:44 AM   
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Three as in Three Amigo's?

Agreed!!!

Any particular paint scheme you looking for Don?

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 2:59:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quick question, how did you all arrive at the passenger values for these and other liners. I know they packed the soldiers in like sardines but did you all find some numbers or just extrapolate something?

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 2:17:15 PM   
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Any particular paint scheme you looking for Don?

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I always prefer basic gray. For my old eyes, camouflage works too well on these small icons. Details get obscured.

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 2:29:19 PM   
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Quick question, how did you all arrive at the passenger values for these and other liners. I know they packed the soldiers in like sardines but did you all find some numbers or just extrapolate something?



From Troop Ships of World War II by Roland W. Charles (April, 1947). I note that the passenger values are much higher than generally used in AE.






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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 7:52:29 PM   
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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 8:38:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those that want this book for themselves and are cheap like me, you can go to this website where it is a PDF file.

Troopships of WWII

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/13/2014 9:35:20 PM   
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You'll like it. It's also available here, as a PDF download: http://www.merriam-press.com/search.aspx?find=troopships

Get whichever is cheaper!

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/14/2014 12:10:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another book you may or may not have is "Ships of the Esso Fleet in World War II". It is available at Amazon or Google Books or you can read it free at http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000593497.

Lots of great info such as: wartime oil transportation record (voyages/cargo and # of barrels per year; sister ships; armament; history, and more.

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/15/2014 3:54:22 PM   
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From Troop Ships of World War II by Roland W. Charles (April, 1947). I note that the passenger values are much higher than generally used in AE.

Remember back when we were fiddling with this? The ‘passenger’ values are the number of bodies that could be squeezed on-board. Kinda like on a slave-ship. But LCUs can’t be broken down into separate bodies and gear; they are a combination of both. So to move an LCU, the troop/cargo space needs to be abstracted to some extent.

The Queens could carry almost an entire division; but only the bodies. The rest of the division (equipment, etc.) required a convoy in its own right. So what to do, what to do ??

Ciao. John

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/15/2014 6:33:05 PM   
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From Troop Ships of World War II by Roland W. Charles (April, 1947). I note that the passenger values are much higher than generally used in AE.

Remember back when we were fiddling with this? The ‘passenger’ values are the number of bodies that could be squeezed on-board. Kinda like on a slave-ship. But LCUs can’t be broken down into separate bodies and gear; they are a combination of both. So to move an LCU, the troop/cargo space needs to be abstracted to some extent.

The Queens could carry almost an entire division; but only the bodies. The rest of the division (equipment, etc.) required a convoy in its own right. So what to do, what to do ??

Ciao. John


I vaguely remember... I know that there are a lot of factors affecting troop capacity, not the least of which is the variance in our TOEs and historical troop counts. Anyway, I've always relied on your data for ships, I'm just the OOB fanatic.

My Granddaughter will be here tonight for a week-long stay, and the guys with the sledgehammers will be here the Monday after she leaves to demolish the kitchen. I'll be pretty much offline until mid-July! On the good side, our various neighbors have adopted us as dinner guests for part of the time and we'll probably make a three-day trip or two.

Y'all don't do anything important until next month.

Don

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/15/2014 6:43:27 PM   
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On the good side, our various neighbors have adopted us as dinner guests for part of the time and we'll probably make a three-day trip or two.
Don

Hey, I can send tham a serious chicken enchilada recipe, with some America Sud 'Spanish rice' to go with. Just saying ... ya'll being Texicans and all ...

Ciao John

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/16/2014 2:52:40 PM   
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"From Troop Ships of World War II by Roland W. Charles (April, 1947). I note that the passenger values are much higher than generally used in AE."







My dad's entire infantry division,(the 29th) went to Europe on one ship, the Queen Mary, one trip..

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RE: Large Liner Artwork - 6/16/2014 6:28:10 PM   
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My dad's entire infantry division,(the 29th) went to Europe on one ship, the Queen Mary, one trip..

Yes. But it was just the bodies, wasn't it? She didn't haul the trucks, jeeps, mortars, AT guns, artillery, prime movers, engineer equipment, scout cars, hospitals, or the thousand and one other things that make a division into a fighting unit, as opposed to a collection of bodies, did she? Of course not.

A certain amount of abstraction is necessary. If this is unacceptable, then the editor is freely available to all.

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