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fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 12:58:24 PM

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Hello My question is for those who live in Dessert area who use daily drive for dessert off roading and daily work drive. Is there anybody driving FJ cruiser or Mitsubishi Pajero 3.8. Which one would you prefer. I planing to buy one of them. is there some advice I can get.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 3:08:34 PM

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FJ cruiser. I bought a yellow one when it first came out and have been very happy with it. It is awesome, unless you actually like to look out of it. It doesn't have any blind spots though it has a few spots where you can look out of. Try and get it with the big all terrain tires. They last forever.
Also do you want a truck whose name means w*nker? (That's what pajero means in Spanish)

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 3:09:53 PM

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Well it all depends. Will you be off-roading through say jello, pudding, cake or pie. So you may be considering to go through ice cream. Tires are as important as the type vehicle. Add toppings like sprinkles, then a lift kit comes into play.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 3:24:34 PM

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Well it all depends. Will you be off-roading through say jello, pudding, cake or pie. So you may be considering to go through ice cream. Tires are as important as the type vehicle. Add toppings like sprinkles, then a lift kit comes into play.

Well plan is to go offroad every weekend. With increasing difficulty every time. Final plan is to go one week real dessert crossover after six month. But Same car must take me to work with full comfort and drivebility,

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 4:05:39 PM

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So is that pie country out there?

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 4:29:09 PM

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So is that pie country out there?

I am currently In Saudi Arabia for work. And Will stay here for at least 3 years. There is 3 big dessert connected to each other from north to south. I planning to cross them over. in one trip.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/13/2014 4:32:03 PM

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I live in the circumstances described, BUT in the USA. The answer is:

Jeep, Wrangler.

I use it for commuting and off road. It's a 40 mile one way commute and off road means by golly genuine off road in the desert, up and down hills, mountains, dry streams and assundry other items.

Good Luck!

P.S. I would add that if you are going to do some real off road driving, it's just a matter of time/miles/driving style before you break something major. So, what are the logistics to get parts/repair for which vehicle? That should also be a big consideration as to which vehicle you want to go with.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 12:31:07 AM

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I've used a Toyota pickup for everyday driving and Bear hunting. If I couldn't get my truck somewhere, I didn't need to be there.

This was snow/mountain terrain, though. I've never done desert.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 1:13:29 AM

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FJs are famous for their off road ability. They may not be the prettiest thing out there but they will get you to where you want to go. I also know that FJs have a lot of modding capabilities. Toyotas are built to last. I know when I was in that area and other areas Toyota parts were easy to come by. What type of FJ are you looking at. I know SA has deep sand and I think some rocky areas also. Not for sure. Big fat tires help in the sand, locker will help, good tires (Nitto tires are great on and off road and last around 60k miles).

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 1:53:50 AM

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I don't do a lot of off roading- I do own an old Pajero 3.8 with 340,00km on the clock. It goes well but their a b#$ch to work on- very tight clearances. In looking for a replacement I've been considering the Suzuki Sierra as they are very good off road. Not so comfortable on road at highway speeds and only good for 2 people really. Note I ride a motorbike almost everywhere- so I prefer small and zippy - ok so a Sierra isn't zippy but at least it's small.

The ultimate own for me (not justified) would be a Toyota GXL Landcruiser.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 2:28:42 AM

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My SO loves Subarus. She gave away her 96 Outback to her ex-husband when she bought a 2013 Impreza. She loves the AWD and the Impreza is a little hotrod. It has the same power and torque as my V-8 Buick. Amazing output from such a small engine.

We don't do any offroad really, but Subaru has a successful history with off road rallying.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 2:32:35 AM

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Impreza's are great cars. I love my Tacoma, great on and offroad.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 3:06:22 AM

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quote:

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So is that pie country out there?

I am currently In Saudi Arabia for work. And Will stay here for at least 3 years. There is 3 big dessert connected to each other from north to south. I planning to cross them over. in one trip.

The best dessert I ever saw was the one in much of Oregon. The best desert I ever had was rhubarb pie with whipped cream on top.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 1:02:38 PM

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FJs are famous for their off road ability. They may not be the prettiest thing out there but they will get you to where you want to go.� I also know that FJs have a lot of modding capabilities. Toyotas are built to last.� I know when I was in that area and other areas Toyota parts were easy to come by.� What type of FJ are you looking at.� I know SA has deep sand and I think some rocky areas also. Not for sure.� Big fat tires help in the sand, locker will help, good tires (Nitto tires are great on and off road and last around 60k miles).�

I am going for full option FJ cruiser lock diff and all. Also they offer aftermarket lift kit, winch, tires etc as a factory option. But when you add all it becomes 200 000 riyal something like 65.000 USD. When I go full option Mtsubishi pajero there is no lift kit etc but it cost around 120000 Riyal which is around 40 000 USD. Which is big differance for me.

Pajero comes with rear diff lock, central diff lock full independent suspension 4 different offroad drive mode and computer controlled hill decent mode and other additional electronic assist for different conditions. An I can go to aftermarke lift blocks for 4 cm without modifying underneath so I can go to 33 inch tires very easly. Only Installing the winch and front bumber is abit difficult.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 1:07:56 PM

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I don't do a lot of off roading- I do own an old Pajero 3.8 with 340,00km on the clock. It goes well but their a b#$ch to work on- very tight clearances. In looking for a replacement I've been considering the Suzuki Sierra as they are very good off road. Not so comfortable on road at highway speeds and only good for 2 people really. Note I ride a motorbike almost everywhere- so I prefer small and zippy - ok so a Sierra isn't zippy but at least it's small.

The ultimate own for me (not justified) would be a Toyota GXL Landcruiser.

No Suzuki Sierra here and also size matters. As I am in construction bussiness bigger is needed every case. Also I will need it for my family so a 4 door is a must. And Here you have to go for biggest safest car. Because It is real miracle that These Saudi drivers are not killing each other twice a day. If you take them for a drive in destruction derby you fill find they more ready for it. Driving in middle of dessert is accually safer then streets.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 1:09:29 PM

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Impreza's are great cars.� I love my Tacoma, great on and offroad.

Unfortunately there is no Tacoma here/ Also foreign people can not buy or drive pickups without special permission. Which is very difficult to get.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 1:10:04 PM

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So is that pie country out there?

I am currently In Saudi Arabia for work. And Will stay here for at least 3 years. There is 3 big dessert connected to each other from north to south. I planning to cross them over. in one trip.

The best dessert I ever saw was the one in much of Oregon. The best desert I ever had was rhubarb pie with whipped cream on top.

Come on man What kind of lizard are you. :)

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 6:55:36 PM

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Thats a big difference in price. As you said above size and biggest are required that comes with a price. What kinda lift and tires are they offering on the FJ? Hilux's are overseas and they are a beast. i would love to own one of them. I am pretty sure you can get 33s on FJs w/out a lift kit on it. I might be wrong. Now the question is can you get a cheaper FJ and have all the lift, winch etc put on cheaper. I know in the states you can for a lot cheaper and its better than what comes on the stock trucks.

Pajero all that electronic stuff is nice but usually that breaks first in my experience. The lift blocks do you mean spacers? If you do spacers will make the ride rougher and wear down faster than the other types of lifts. Again I don't know much about the Pajero.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 9:28:28 PM

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Thats a big difference in price. As you said above size and biggest are required that comes with a price. What kinda lift and tires are they offering on the FJ? Hilux's are overseas and they are a beast. i would love to own one of them. I am pretty sure you can get 33s on FJs w/out a lift kit on it. I might be wrong. Now the question is can you get a cheaper FJ and have all the lift, winch etc put on cheaper. I know in the states you can for a lot cheaper and its better than what comes on the stock trucks.

Pajero all that electronic stuff is nice but usually that breaks first in my experience. The lift blocks do you mean spacers? If you do spacers will make the ride rougher and wear down faster than the other types of lifts. Again I don't know much about the Pajero.

In my home I drive a mildly modified Hilux for 5 years I am really happy with it.Also here you have 2.7 gas engine option which is better then my 2.5 diesel. But In Saudi Arabia You cannot drive pickups without special permission. Also full option hilux is 120000 riyal which is same as pajero. Otherwise Ford Raptor was my first option. Cheaper FJ modification is not an option because this option is factory offering which makes you keep original insurance and 3 year guaranty. That why it is expansive.

Yest I mean spacer. which wears quicly but you can replace cheaply. And I am hoping that in one year I will sell it before too much problem. As much as I read I found that Pajero is trouble free for two years at least. If you dont abuse it too much

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 10:09:04 PM

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For one year I think either would be fine mechanically. I would love to have the Hilux in the US. Theres talk of new engines comeing out. It might be better to get the Pajero, with the price and mod it the way you want. I just got a new Tacoma and I'm starting to mod mine.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 10:15:27 PM

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Don't do this to your FJ

http://video.us.msn.com/watch/video/stuck-jeep-gets-ripped-apart/20qhd4e4

What do you think Schanilec?

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/14/2014 11:45:13 PM

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Don't do this to your FJ http://video.us.msn.com/watch/video/stuck-jeep-gets-ripped-apart/20qhd4e4

What do you think Schanilec?

holly mother of god. Now I feel relieved that there is no rain here. :)

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/15/2014 2:59:24 AM

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So is that pie country out there?

I am currently In Saudi Arabia for work. And Will stay here for at least 3 years. There is 3 big dessert connected to each other from north to south. I planning to cross them over. in one trip.

The best dessert I ever saw was the one in much of Oregon. The best desert I ever had was rhubarb pie with whipped cream on top.

Come on man What kind of lizard are you. :)

The kind who will stoop at nothing to get a laugh. As a matter of fact, we gorn cannot stoop at all. Just because the Ferengi say we're stoopid doesn't make it true.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/15/2014 4:54:55 AM

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Shame you can't get a ute/pickup. I have a Ford Ranger (not the U.S. pickup but the Australian designed one, also sold as a Mazda BT-50. They're so good the Brit military bought them:- http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/australian-developed-ford-ranger-joins-uk-military-23033#.U50msnb6W1k

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/15/2014 5:47:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: guctony

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So is that pie country out there?

I am currently In Saudi Arabia for work. And Will stay here for at least 3 years. There is 3 big dessert connected to each other from north to south. I planning to cross them over. in one trip.

The best dessert I ever saw was the one in much of Oregon. The best desert I ever had was rhubarb pie with whipped cream on top.

Come on man What kind of lizard are you. :)

The kind who will stoop at nothing to get a laugh. As a matter of fact, we gorn cannot stoop at all. Just because the Ferengi say we're stoopid doesn't make it true.

But as aGorn you do visit your native land from time to time. Or the better question is Where does the Gorns originate from.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/16/2014 3:08:37 PM

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Don't do this to your FJ http://video.us.msn.com/watch/video/stuck-jeep-gets-ripped-apart/20qhd4e4

What do you think Schanilec?

Back to basics. Tonka.

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/16/2014 6:49:21 PM

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Don't do this to your FJ http://video.us.msn.com/watch/video/stuck-jeep-gets-ripped-apart/20qhd4e4

What do you think Schanilec?

They put a tow rope to a roll bar, pulled it sideways, then walked across the mud to a buried jeep without sinking in the mud to inspect what went wrong.

Some people should not drive (or breed, for that matter). What happened to that jeep was as inevitable as applying flame to an inflated balloon

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/16/2014 8:27:49 PM

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But as aGorn you do visit your native land from time to time. Or the better question is Where does the Gorns originate from.

Well from the planet Gorn of course

In the region called Wastedvirgins, Charleston to be precise

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/16/2014 11:46:00 PM

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Here's Geofflambert in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SK0cUNMnMM

What did you say during that fight Geofflambert?

Here's another clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d06ENQDJtfk

Do you get a lot of headaches too?

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RE: fully OT: Pajero or FJ cruiser - 6/17/2014 1:39:34 AM

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Ok. Here's the full transcript from the first clip: Hisssss, Hissss. Nuts, my stick broke! I'll have to use Jiu Jitsu. ... Oooh, I can't take his breath. ... A rock! He's throwing me ammunition! ... Oh, that's no fair, he's running away!

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