ehsumrell1
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ORIGINAL: Osito
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ORIGINAL: Varlun
Igard, what gives? I'm not gonna go on any sort of rant, just let it be known that I'm upset that you didn't let the Star Trek Universe guy use your stuff- AT LEAST until you have something of your own to present! What a dick move really. I understand it being your property and all but you could have waited until you had an updated version. Instead, now all of these newcomers don't really have an option. For how long?
Eh whatever, not gonna get too worked up over it. I still have his mod on my hard drive.
I think that's unfair. While I would like to see a Universe Star Trek mod developed, Gyromancer did admit that he did not having permission to use Igard's work, and that is a fairly fundamental flaw. My own view is that you shouldn't use other's work without getting permission, or at least do everything possible to secure permission (or otherwise).
Having said that, given that Igard is still clearly active, I do think it would be helpful if he would indicate whether he is updating this mod, and, if so, let us know what the scope of that update will be. That will help to prevent others working on duplicate material that turns out to be redundant. For example, I am working on a galaxy map (with a vast amount of data collected over the past few months), which could very easily be a 'Star Trek' galaxy map, but I could just ignore that aspect and do it as a 'real' galaxy map. I'd prefer not to spend time making it into a Star Trek map, if the work has already been done elsewhere.
Osito
@Osito
Thanks for your understanding on this matter and your response Osito. It's about principle.
Igard and I (with certain others with a minor role) spent months creating Star Trek Themed mods for
Legends and Shadows. Much of the work was in the fine-tuning of the themes, collecting images and
permission for use of the images directly, working around MANY of the issues that NOW have been solved
by Elliot opening up most of the text files for modification. Igard wanted as close to canon themes as
DW would allow, and spent months achieving that. I personally added statistics and touch-up work to over
500 actual Star Trek characters (We didn't have the option of randomization for character role stats(?)
or appearance order randomization (-) then). We couldn't ship scale cube or odd shaped vessels (thus no
true to scale sized Borg Cubes or Species 8472 Bioships). SO imagine now when Igard looks up and returns
to the forum to see that his work has been basically 'hi-jacked' (my term, not his) without his permission
(which basically is a unwritten rule in modding) although I do credit Gyrospeck in stating that and mentioning
us in his credits. Although I was never asked either if the first 240 characters in the mod I provided could
be used (just FYI, those are the original 'draft' characters that have been redone, there are 520 in the 'true'
mod). So yes, I understand the desire of wanting to have A Star Trek Theme for Universe. But using work
that someone else has provided without permission and then mod that away from the initial idea and desire
of the originator is not fair. In closing, Igard's original 'Star Trek The Picard Era' aka 'STPE' is alive
and well, operational for Universe, and updated to version 1.9.5.2 of DW: Universe. It is being tested by
a couple members of the dev team and when it error free, easily up-datable, and has the required content and
art it will be released (which is at Igards' discretion). We don't, and didn't want to put out a project with
oft-occuring errors or problems after a DW update. In addition, the original was not playable with the storylines
active (i.e. no Shakturi/Mechanoids), this version you have your choice.
@Varlun
In response to your negatively toned post and name-calling, that is your prerogative to proclaim that attitude.
Also to express your opinion. Nevertheless, more civility would be appreciated by all. You don't see Igard calling Gyrospeck names do you!
In closing, yes, you do have Gyrospecks' mod on your hard drive. That's HIS
adaptation of Igard's work. Not Igard. Plus the future updates that Elliot provides for Universe I'm sure
you can go to Gyrospeck for updates to his mod.
@Gyrospeck
We will be soon adapting and testing Star Trek The Archer, Kirk, and Spock eras as well. As I have and
are guardian for Igard over all his original files, I would be honored have you work collaboratively on them
with us soon. As a member of Elliots' Dev team, I have to split my free time accordingly between my mod,
Igard's mods, and more importantly, testing each version update Elliot puts out. So if you wish to consider
that please PM me.
< Message edited by ehsumrell1 -- 6/10/2014 9:16:03 PM >
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