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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/15/2014 3:46:01 PM

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31 May 1944

Rangoon Battle

Allied Heavy Cruisers try to sweep Rangoon hex. Two days ago Japanese CA TF enter Rangoon hex with order to protect city from Sea. I was expecting attempt to bombard Rangoon as payback of me bombing Saumlaki. After first surprise Japanese manage to end this battle as victorious side. 90% of battle was fight at 2000yards.

All ships (expect two CA and DD) need some repair time. But all expect one DD are far from sinking. One DD have minor damage but still have over 20 fires. In battle i lost 1 DD.

I have BB TF in area. they will join CA and DD left and will try to protect Rangoon. Or Docup will retreat or he will try again 50/50 chance here.

Allies lost 3 CAs, 2 DD, and one CA and couple DD damaged.

I have half of CAs and CL in IJN have in repair. One or two battles like that and i will be out of Capital ships.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 6,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Seagull V: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 1
CA Kumano, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Furutaka, Shell hits 3
CL Naka, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Natori, Shell hits 2
DD Hayashimo
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Asakaze, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
DD Harukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Asanagi, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Shropshire, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
CA London, Shell hits 23, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CA Suffolk, Shell hits 6, on fire
CA Cumberland, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Quiberon
DD Quickmatch, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Warramunga
DD Napier, Shell hits 3
DD Nestor, Shell hits 3
DD Norman, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage

Salomon Sea
Invasion target unknown. Allied ships are concentrated in waters between Woodlark and Tagula.
It start look serious. After turn tomorrow i will decide if i send there KB. I will only do that if Allied Fleet Carriers will show up. So far it looks that only small CVE TF is involved.

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I start producing A6M5c and A6M5d-S

Another A7M2 Sam factory repaired. Current arrival date is 11/44

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/16/2014 6:25:42 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/16/2014 6:29:19 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/16/2014 6:32:02 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/16/2014 6:47:24 AM

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Fleet comparison at 31 May 1944

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 7:32:12 AM

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1 June 1944

Salomon Sea
I am 99,9% sure that Salmon TF are fake invasion.
Instead of landing somewhere they again retreat south. He have those ships in Salomons for 7 days and he do nothing. Today i probably learn why.

Bay of Bengal
Enemy TF show up SE of Ceylon.
At lest two of them are CVTF. I believe there is third CV TF don`t see. I saw red line connecting LCP from sea hex to visible CV TF when they shot down my search plane.
I lost 3 Planes above those TF so CAP must be strong. In my experience search planes are shot down when at lest 100 fighters is flying CAP.

Another naval battle south of Rangoon. Today BB TF meat Fletcher TF. No ship lost but i left with only two DD undamaged and one BB eat TT.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 52,54, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Okikaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Akikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Nokaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Converse
DD Dashiell
DD DeHaven
DD Foote
DD Pringle, Shell hits 2
DD Radford, Shell hits 1
DD Saufley, Shell hits 2, on fire

I am out of ships. I have only undamaged BB, CA, two CL and two DD. rest of ships is in no combat condition.
I am ordering full retreat of navy from that area. All ship have order to flank south toward Singer. If lucky maybe they make it.
I am sending KB to that area. They should be there in 3-4 days. KB will have order to give air cover to retreating ships. And If KB will avoid detection and enemy will be in range maybe i will strike.

CA Kumano will be left behind damage is to big to risk sea trip right now.

It not look good. I need also retreat some LBA groups from Rangoon and Moumulien. They lost naval protection. I will left only minimal forces to place CAP

A need advice. I have few h to decide.

If this what i see is true it looks that Docup will try to land somewhere in Malaya coast or in Sumatra. Shoul i use those undamaged ships to fight or retret them south. For sure if they stay in Rangoon area it will be last battle for them.

Japan navy after two days of battles in Burma

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 7:44:17 AM

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Map of Bay of Bengal.

One of pilots searching over bay report Essex class CV. I lost 3 search planes above that TFs so CAP is strong.

Any advise??? For sure priority will be to protect all those damaged ships i have in Bay of Bengal

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 8:58:58 AM

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I would retreat. Your ships are already at a disadvantage at this point. Going into a fight with many ships damaged and slowed down will only make things worse. DOCUP still have a long way to go and there will be lots of more opportunities for you to engage him before he reaches the HI.

Its the KB that will decide the battle!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 9:05:33 AM

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Bad news. Half h ago i sleep on wet floor in house hit my foot and broken middle finger. Siting now in ER waiting for help

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 9:13:55 AM

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Bad news. Half h ago i sleep on wet floor in house hit my foot and broken middle finger. Siting now in ER waiting for help

Ouch, that sucks koniu.

Did you break your foot too?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 9:30:30 AM

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Only middle finger i right foot. Arledy have it x-ray. And waiting now for surgeron to fix it. I have nice picture. Home is most dengerous place on earth

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 9:58:10 AM

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Good to hear your foot is fine although your finger is not! Hope it doesn�t hinder your AE play?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 11:55:05 AM

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Home is most dengerous place on earth

Only because you spend so much time there statistically.

I would wait for the KB to arrive out west to try and strike back, maybe not even then depending upon the target.

I doubt it is a deep strike, something on your perimeter.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/17/2014 1:15:48 PM

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I would retreat. Your ships are already at a disadvantage at this point. Going into a fight with many ships damaged and slowed down will only make things worse. DOCUP still have a long way to go and there will be lots of more opportunities for you to engage him before he reaches the HI.

Its the KB that will decide the battle!

Back home. Finger in one piece again.

I decide that i will retreat everything south. Tomorrow i will also retreat most of air power to inland bases to avoid naval bombardment.

KB will move to Singer, i will be there in 48h, after that i will refuel and decide what next.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 8:10:54 AM

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Waiting for turn from Docup so i will give You some economical data

Economy Chart: Date 01 June 1944

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 8:13:44 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 8:17:42 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 8:21:05 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 8:23:18 AM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 11:08:48 AM

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Japanese tanks

Japanese medium tank units few days ago start upgrading from Type 1 to Type 3 Medium Tank.
It looks that Type 3 tank is first Japanese Tank that for real can be called Medium Tank.
If i compare basic stats with most Common Allied tank M4 Sherman it looks that Type 3 in good terrain can be hard to crack to allies.

Of course against heavy tanks Type 3 has no chances but Type 1 to Type 3 show huge progress.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 11:16:20 AM

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What a game you have put together! Great.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 1:45:47 PM

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koniu,

As Lowpe states, you've done a great job. Just some observations on my part, no criticism intended.

The IJN is essentially intact, fantastic job to bring it so far.

Your supply and HI pools are smaller than I would target, but you've built up your air capacity for 2nd Gen AC more than I do so it makes sense. Going to be very interesting watching the rest of the game to see how this stategy plays out.

Oil, here I have a question ... your oil centers still exceeds your refining capactiy in the HI which means you still control a lot of the DEI ... but your oil pool is less than one month ... not sure I understand how this is happening ...

Oh, and yes, the Type 3 tank can hold its own against the Sherman ... but beware the SOV tanks ... they are far better than the Sherman.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 1:53:07 PM

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Pax,

Are you sure about the Type-3? I remember doing some test with armor a while back. (I think the data is in my old AAR but I�m not sure.)

If I remember correctly a Japanese Tank division with Type 3 tanks was easily overcome by just 2 US Tank BTL (with Shermans) or a lone US ID. I think in the tests I did the Japanese Tank Division was without forts but in x3 terrain.

Can�t swear by it though as it was a long time ago.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 2:04:29 PM

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There is how oil looks.
I must tell here that i have all refineries outside Japan working at 100% capacity but i shot down some refineries in Japan.

I do that because i try to find balance between oil consumption and fuel production.
I am able to compensate that with fuel/oil transport from DEI so Japan alone have balanced 2,35M of fuel and 150k of oil.

So far it look stable and balanced

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 2:08:19 PM

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There how HI reserves are looking
Goal is to have all stable. No chaotic moves.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 2:27:08 PM

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There is how oil looks.
I must tell here that i have all refineries outside Japan working at 100% capacity but i shot down some refineries in Japan.

I do that because i try to find balance between oil consumption and fuel production.
I am able to compensate that with fuel/oil transport from DEI so Japan alone have balanced 2,35M of fuel and 150k of oil.

That is different. Not that you shot them, but you shut them off. Typos and English

I had to go back to page one and double check the mod you were playing. I don't think I could shut off production on the HI for refineries. I would worry that I would get to the end game and have oil and no refineries -- thereby losing both the fuel and supply.

But you are in such a different place than most Games in mid 44. Part of the reason why I didn't comment on your supply level which seems low to me...but given your strong industry is it really?

There are so many ways to play the game, and like I said previously your doing great. Keep it up!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 2:49:07 PM

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I still believe that supply situation will be main reason of Japan surrender. I should able to keep everything balance as long as fuel/oil will be moved to Japan. After that i will be fast. Oil will be gone in 2 months. Fuel will be gone in 6-9 months. So i will end with light industry only. So supplies will go down fast. I believe i will be able to hold 12-18 months max after i will losse DEI. After that i will not be able to fight

I have arledy start saving program. R&D program and factory repairs need 200k supplies. I am trying to ship to out as less as passable supplies from Japan. I practiclly stop building forts and base infrastructure. Fleet moves reduced to minimum.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 3:40:52 PM

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I still believe that supply situation will be main reason of Japan surrender. I should able to keep everything balance as long as fuel/oil will be moved to Japan. After that i will be fast. Oil will be gone in 2 months. Fuel will be gone in 6-9 months. So i will end with light industry only. So supplies will go down fast. I believe i will be able to hold 12-18 months max after i will losse DEI. After that i will not be able to fight

I have arledy start saving program. R&D program and factory repairs need 200k supplies. I am trying to ship to out as less as passable supplies from Japan. I practiclly stop building forts and base infrastructure. Fleet moves reduced to minimum.

What's your situation in China/Manchuria/Korea?

If it's fairly stable, start drawing supply from there and getting it back to the Home Islands. Your troops in China/Manchuria/Korea will have to live off the land, but they're all doomed anyways when the Soviets get involved, and the supply will do a lot more good in the Home Islands.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 4:03:45 PM

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What's your situation in China/Manchuria/Korea?

In total they have 300k supplies. Not a single tone is moved there from Japan currently

China is stable since 1941

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 8/18/2014 4:15:21 PM

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What's your situation in China/Manchuria/Korea?

In total they have 300k supplies. Not a single tone is moved there from Japan currently

China is stable since 1941

I'd get that down as low as you can get away with. If there's no combat in China, you don't need it till 1945, and even 10 million supplies won't help you against the Soviets.

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