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Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 3:19:16 PM   
GaryChildress

 

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Status: offline 		Is it just me or is Windows 8 impossible to figure out if you've spent all your life up to this point using prior versions? This is really frustrating. I used to be "fluent" in Windows until all this BS came out.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 3:54:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's my humble opinion, and I realize I'm a minority since I actually like Win 8. I'm weird, I guess :-P It took me a while to get used to, but now I really enjoy it. I use the desktop pretty much exclusively and everything works fine. I'm starting to use the start menu more, but with the ability to boot right to the desktop I find it really easy to use it exactly the same as I did Win 7 with few visual differences. Getting to the control panel, windows explorer, or stuff like that is just as easy as previous windows iterations, if not easier. You just need some time to adjust and an open mind and you're golden

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 4:11:41 PM   
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Here's my humble opinion, and I realize I'm a minority since I actually like Win 8. I'm weird, I guess :-P It took me a while to get used to, but now I really enjoy it. I use the desktop pretty much exclusively and everything works fine. I'm starting to use the start menu more, but with the ability to boot right to the desktop I find it really easy to use it exactly the same as I did Win 7 with few visual differences. Getting to the control panel, windows explorer, or stuff like that is just as easy as previous windows iterations, if not easier. You just need some time to adjust and an open mind and you're golden


Exactly the way I feel with windows 8. It takes time but getting better with it and wouldn't want to go back now. I understand Gary's POV, I was hating life when I first got it.

Hang in there Gary!!


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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 4:13:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Is it just me or is Windows 8 impossible to figure out if you've spent all your life up to this point using prior versions? This is really frustrating. I used to be "fluent" in Windows until all this BS came out.


Aren't you updated to 8.1 with the desktop screen? That's where I download and access all my Matrix games.
In any case, many of your computer/admin controls all have app(lication)s and can be found if you scroll down from the tile or marquis screen.


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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 4:19:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are numerous articles on how to make W8 more like W7, which might help. Google is your friend

I must confess I have stocked up on W7's. I am not a fan of some of the W8 choices...

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 4:20:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Gary,

I fixed the Windows 8 issue by spending an extra $5 in buying Windows Start 8.
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

Life come back to normal after that.


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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 4:29:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		As VPaulus says, Start 8 is a great add on, and the 8.1 update makes an enormous difference as well.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 4:37:32 PM   
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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 5:04:39 PM   
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I've been using Windows since Windows 3.0 (although I used Excel for Windows when it came with the Win 2.x runtime, but i won't count that ;)). I always boot to desktop. If you don't know how to do it in Win 8.1 here's how:

1. Right click on the taskbar and select properties

2. Click the first checkbox under the start screen settings

3. If you don't like the different designs on the "Start Screen" you can use your desktop background by clicking the second checkbox.

4. if the charms are driving you crazy on the desktop uncheck the "When i point to the upper-right corner.." under the Corner Navigation section.

Hope that helps!







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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 5:13:59 PM   
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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 5:16:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Is it just me or is Windows 8 impossible to figure out if you've spent all your life up to this point using prior versions? This is really frustrating. I used to be "fluent" in Windows until all this BS came out.


I worked in the IT field for 26 years and I have trouble with Win 8.1. I actually hate it more than I did Windows 7(and I REALLY hated it). Windows 8 is clumsy and difficult to navigate. And don't get me started about the start button-somebody was stoned when it was decided to leave that out. The Apps view is just sloppy. Yes you can select to view "by most used" but it's just bad. I, and many users I communicate with experience a ridiculous number of explorer crashes and you have to restart it. My USB drives freeze a lot. There are a few fixes for that but we should not have to deal with it.

As for the start button I use Start Menu X and love it.

Microsoft has already given up on Windows 8.



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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 6:50:25 PM   
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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/21/2014 6:52:10 PM   
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I updated from XP to W8 over a year ago, and I love it. No regrets at all.


That's good. There has always been people who liked one version over another. Just a matter of opinion.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 12:06:52 AM   
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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 12:15:50 AM   
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We tolerate the GUI on our smartphones because it's about all you can do on that tiny screen. But to put that GUI on a desktop seems like a special kind of stupid to me.


Stupid, sloppy and unattractive.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 1:07:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm coming around to Win 8.1 having for sometime, my system boot directly to the Desktop where I had pinned along the task bar the programs I used most often. But now I'm booting to the start menu after learning of neat little shortcuts like right clicking on the Windows logo in the lower left brings up access to the Control Panel and much more.
It does come down to opinion and ones' desire to give it a try. So to that, each their own, or whatever works for you.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 11:22:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The young lad that maintains my computer (because I sure can't) told me a good ways back now, that MS had screwed up, and had accidentally offered Win 8 as an upgrade from Win 7 for 16 bucks for a limited time. The screw up was they were not doing the verification correct. It was supposed to be a new machine and using Win 7. They sure fixed that gaffe super fast, but not before I was able to get the 16 dollar perk.

Getting an OS upgrade for 16 bucks was too good to pass on.

My computer genius buddy has since ditched it for going back to Win 7. Generally when a computer genius won't touch something, you don't argue with them.

But I have no specific beef with Windows 8 although the first time I experienced 8.1 I was sure some doofus has broken something that clearly didn't need fixing. It seems ok now though.

I don't use any of the desktop 'cleverness' as I don't think it is all that clever really. My desktop looks like the Win 7 experience. I do think making a touch based interface for a still mainly non touch based PC market wasn't too bright though. They should have just only dumped it on people actually buying new computers that actually have touch screens, and stuck with Win 7 until computers without touch surfaces were essentially a dead item the same way floppy disk drives are basically no longer in use.

I generally prefer to use the most current OS though, as I really hate having to suffer through driver issues and all the assorted nonsense of using a progressively unsupported OS. I used to like XP a lot. But today I won't touch it. I used to like Win 7 a lot, but even it gets annoying installing when it comes to the update part of an install.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 11:43:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		it time M/S will move away from the ball and chain of backwards compatibility and move totally away from the 32 bit systems and it's limitations, plus remove all the other backwards stuff thats lets be very honest is holding it back, like memory limits just to name one, but there are a few others...

Physical Address Extension (PAE)

Name and folder length etc

FAT / NTFS limits....

i could go on all day and bore more than myself, i love windows, but once it gets away from its distant past and drops the old DOS aged parts, it will be so much better, welcome windows 9, almost there, but not quite yet either

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 12:21:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

The young lad that maintains my computer (because I sure can't) told me a good ways back now, that MS had screwed up, and had accidentally offered Win 8 as an upgrade from Win 7 for 16 bucks for a limited time. The screw up was they were not doing the verification correct. It was supposed to be a new machine and using Win 7. They sure fixed that gaffe super fast, but not before I was able to get the 16 dollar perk.

Getting an OS upgrade for 16 bucks was too good to pass on.




The $16 upgrade was a promo they did upon release for folks interested in getting the newest OS. There was some advertising associated with it so I don't think it was a gaffe. As for the verification thing, I hadn't heard about that. I took advantage of that nice price myself! :)



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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 12:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, the promo I got was "free". But, it's Windows 8 32 bit and thas going to be a piece of garbage before too long. It was something you had to do "before" Windows 8 came out but it was a full version and I hate it. Loaded it once, tried it and then reformatted and reinstalled Win7. I still have XP on a netbook and Vista 64 or my main and Win7 on my alternate pc. I'm computer rich and OS rich but billfold poor.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 2:12:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I'm running a Win 8 Pro release in 64 bit. There are days I wish I still had access to FAT 32, but my last vestige of nuisance was killed off when my buddy helped me do a desktop shortcut thingy that launches my Steel Panthers 3 Brigade Combat inside a DOSbox program thingy and now I can finally play it and it doesn't seem to possess any of the problems that plague my SPWaW program (although the arty hassle might be the last problem with it, and no the fix didn't fix it).

I think the most valuable program on the system though has to be Team Viewer 8. When I have a problem, I just call my buddy, act hysterical and helpless (which isn't too hard sadly) and he just takes control of the system and fixes it remotely. I am not sure how easy that might have been in the past with earlier OSs. And no, I don't have any problems with trusting him, he's like a adopted son to me.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 2:46:15 PM   
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wish I knew such a person. boy, oh boy, do I!!! and !!! some more...

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 2:54:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		i also still use dos, and use a program called DOSBox GL v0.74 which is dosbox game launcher for those who don't know it, it's free and work great for older games, but using the compatibility mode with 8.1 pro 64bit is a dream to get others to work, eg no dos games etc, not had one that wouldn't as yet, but my database isn't that big for older games, only have a few TB of backups, but then again i still use emulation software for C64, amiga, atari ST, BBC and a few others as well...

dos was good, win 3.1 was better, with every version since growing on a basically sound and good platform, the progression was small at first but as soon as win 98se came out, it really shined as a gaming platform, with all versions after it just getting better for me, i even liked ME and NT4 and win2k...

XP was the easiest, win 7 the most stable, but now i love win 8.1 as much as any and can't wait for win9, as the beta looks good

ps, and yes Team Viewer works as well on all versions of windows, and it's easier than remote view thats comes with windows, have used it in the past, but not needed now as i use remote view as all my pc's are networked and cabled.

9 is the latest version

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 3:13:45 PM   
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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 4:42:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why focus on Windows 8? Next month Windows 9 will be touted by Microsoft.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 5:20:21 PM   
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Windows 9 release date. As of right now, we expect to see Windows 9 in a preview build as early as September 30

beta works well btw

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 5:50:52 PM   
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We tolerate the GUI on our smartphones because it's about all you can do on that tiny screen. But to put that GUI on a desktop seems like a special kind of stupid to me.

Is there some requirement to use the damn thing?

Whole issue about the Win8 GUIs reminds me about WinXP Service Pack 3: that adds Windows Firewall, caused some problems with the programs, lots of bitching about it in Internet, and instead turning off the damn thing some people uninstalled SP3! THAT I call stupid

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 6:00:24 PM   
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so true,

Windows 9 release date. As of right now, we expect to see Windows 9 in a preview build as early as September 30

beta works well btw




Seriously, Microsoft is churning these out faster (recently) then I can keep up. I guess this is one of their main money makers.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 6:09:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've avoided Windows 8. Hopefully windows 9 will be worth the change from 7, although because of past experience I will wait until at least the first patch for windows 9. I do the same for apple phones as the first release usually has problems.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 7:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reason for the entire Windows disaster was, that Microsoft missed mobile development during the past decade. When Win Phones finally hit the market, nobody was interested, as they didn't add anything special in regard to Android and iOS. So some marketeers got the glorious idea of implementing the tile UI into Windows, hoping that people get used on the look and purchase MS devices instead of Apple and Samsung ones in the future. I grew up with Windows and loved it from v2 (1989) until v7, but with Win8 they finally lost me and I won't come back anymore. Unless MS switches the underlying crappy NT for a non-propietary (UNIX-based) OS, maybe. That's not likely to happen, though.

Two weeks ago I had to work for the very first (and hopefully last) time on a Win8 laptop and was happy to drop it again. Yes, after while one probably get used on the UI, but why should I? Aside of games there is nothing exclusive to Windows anymore and I need my machine primarily for working.

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