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PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 1:49:31 AM

Bill Durrant

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No names, no pack drill.

Just started a team game as the Allies. We received the turn and I'm sure we did everything right and sent it back. The Japanese opposition retorted that their orders were not assigned correctly and asked us to redo the turn after sending us a new file. It was the first turn which is obviously a long process.

My question: Is it possible the opponent (Japanese) can just look at the combat and say that the program messed up and ask to redo everything having had an insight to our proposed actions? Or am I being paranoid?

Thanks in advance

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 2:05:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Durrant

No names, no pack drill.

Just started a team game as the Allies. We received the turn and I'm sure we did everything right and sent it back. The Japanese opposition retorted that their orders were not assigned correctly and asked us to redo the turn after sending us a new file. It was the first turn which is obviously a long process.

My question: Is it possible the opponent (Japanese) can just look at the combat and say that the program messed up and ask to redo everything having had an insight to our proposed actions? Or am I being paranoid?

Thanks in advance

Ask for the wpae.001 file so that you see what they see.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 2:11:25 AM

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Ask for the replay and use that to inform your decision. They got to view it and have an advantage because of it. And they know your intentions.

We all make mistakes. In my PBEM match up we occasionally own up to our mistakes and live with the consequences.

Its tricky. Asking someone to redo a turn, especially the first turn is a big favour to ask. And they aren't really giving you any information to warrant such a favour.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 2:48:01 AM

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Just surrender immediately and start a new game with different opponents.

What happened here is that your opponents did not get the result they were expecting. Perhaps their PH strike did not sink sufficient ships to their liking.

Sooner rather than later they will come across another turn where they do not get their optimum results. Then you will get the same request to redo the turn. Plus there will be other game quibbles which will be put up.

Nor can you play this potentially 1500+ turn game replaying a turn every time one side forgot to give an order to an AMc operating out of Shanghai.

Best to just nip it in the bud immediately. Either they continue with turn 2 based on what happened now, or you just find new opponents.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 3:14:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Durrant

No names, no pack drill.

Just started a team game as the Allies. We received the turn and I'm sure we did everything right and sent it back. The Japanese opposition retorted that their orders were not assigned correctly and asked us to redo the turn after sending us a new file. It was the first turn which is obviously a long process.

My question: Is it possible the opponent (Japanese) can just look at the combat and say that the program messed up and ask to redo everything having had an insight to our proposed actions? Or am I being paranoid?

Thanks in advance

Bill, I'm sorry to have to be the one to inform you that being paranoid is the least of your troubles. You are obviously experiencing a sort of psychosis we like to call I'msorryIeveragreedtoplaythisgamewithorwithouthouserules syndrome. Report immediately to the nearest ER and let them do a biopsy of your wallet. It would be extremely unwise to delay the inevitable.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 3:19:19 AM

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I also agree with everything Alfred says, as always, but I'd still like to do a biopsy of his wallet.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 3:42:20 AM

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Lucrectomy? I kind of like the sound of that.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 3:45:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Durrant

No names, no pack drill.

Bill, if you posted in the "Opponents Wanted" section of this forum, can I ask you to point us to your communication in that thread? Don't want names, no 'pack drill' (whatever that means). I just would like to see the thread.

Thanks in advance.

ETA: I like the idea of getting the 001 replay file (and combat report would be nice too) from your opponents and reviewing.

It is possible that, assuming an ahistorical start, you may have inadvertently misapplied some orders where none were due (e.g., 100% CAP at PH on day 1, scrambled ships from port, etc.). It would have been helpful if your opponent identified specifically what errors were seen in the turn for your information.

I don't believe that there is any immediate ill will or malignant motives behind your opponent, but they should have provided more information to you than they did.

Your use of the word "retort" suggests that they were peevish and surly-could this be a language difference perchance? Something 'lost in translation'?

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 3:51:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: BattleMoose

Ask for the replay and use that to inform your decision. They got to view it and have an advantage because of it. And they know your intentions.

We all make mistakes. In my PBEM match up we occasionally own up to our mistakes and live with the consequences.

Its tricky. Asking someone to redo a turn, especially the first turn is a big favour to ask. And they aren't really giving you any information to warrant such a favour.

Adm Nelson and I have had issues with my install. He has had to do two re-dos of turns. I have sent him the old 001 or screenshots so he knows what actually happened. I would have questions regarding this as well if I did not get proof.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 3:55:06 AM

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Chickenboy, a "lucrectomy" is what happens after I do a biopsy of Alfred's wallet. I take his filthy "lucre" and put it in my pocket.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 4:05:23 AM

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Chickenboy, a "lucrectomy" is what happens after I do a biopsy of Alfred's wallet. I take his filthy "lucre" and put it in my pocket.

Uh...yes. Which is why I proposed the term...

Are you molting again? You seem to go soft in the head when you do.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 4:16:19 AM

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Hey, everyone who knows me well addresses me as "Al Dente". Now, I am not now nor have I ever been an Arab, so I'm not sure what that's about. But I know a little Italian and I can say without equivocation that my noodles are every bit as stiff as anyone else's. Just don't quote me on that.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 5:36:20 AM

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Just surrender immediately and start a new game with different opponents.

This.

Except if you opponents are well known (either to you or the forum community) so you can basically rule out a cheat. In that case I would request the replay and a very detailed information about what failed, even if it requires lifting opsec.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 9:48:04 AM

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Regarding the viewing of the turn 1 file- the allied player will gain more out of that than the Japanese player given the limited opening moves available to the Allies. However I'd also question if you've found the right opponent- they may have even forgotten something important in their orders. I do it reasonably regularly. If I was playing the AI I'd probably go back and fix it- but I'm not- and those mistakes are part of what makes a PBEM special.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 10:31:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

quote:

ORIGINAL: BattleMoose

Ask for the replay and use that to inform your decision. They got to view it and have an advantage because of it. And they know your intentions.

We all make mistakes. In my PBEM match up we occasionally own up to our mistakes and live with the consequences.

Its tricky. Asking someone to redo a turn, especially the first turn is a big favour to ask. And they aren't really giving you any information to warrant such a favour.

Adm Nelson and I have had issues with my install. He has had to do two re-dos of turns. I have sent him the old 001 or screenshots so he knows what actually happened. I would have questions regarding this as well if I did not get proof.

Roger that, I played a game against JB447 and midway thru my pc died and I installed the latest beta patch but Jeremy got the last official patch so he could not open my turn. Different updates do have this problem. I had to install the last official patch to continue the game.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 10:50:32 AM

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Chickenboy, a "lucrectomy" is what happens after I do a biopsy of Alfred's wallet. I take his filthy "lucre" and put it in my pocket.

You'll only find South Pacific shekels.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 11:37:33 AM

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The biggest problem with this is not even an eventual cheating. Is that in a first turn there is something important forgotten. It seems the other side does not care for the investment in time that a PBEM implies.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 12:48:04 PM

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End the game now, trust me you will be saving a lot of wasted time in the future.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 1:20:16 PM

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I haven't done this prior, but isn't there a trick when playing Japan that you run the turn (under a different save file) after having spent countless hours working on it to make sure you did do everything right with magic task forces etc. -- before sending the file off to the Allies.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 2:54:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I haven't done this prior, but isn't there a trick when playing Japan that you run the turn (under a different save file) after having spent countless hours working on it to make sure you did do everything right with magic task forces etc. -- before sending the file off to the Allies.

Yes. One can 'dry run' the first turn as the Japanese.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/11/2014 5:59:59 PM

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As far as I know the Allied player isn't really supposed to make a single order on turn 1 December 7th. He should just wait for the onslaught. Then make orders amid the chaos and carnage on December 8th.

But if you did not make any orders, then I can't see any reason for the Japanese player to ask for a redo except that he messed up. And frankly, that's all part of PBEM! There's always that moment when you click "End Turn" and send the turn off with a gulp in your throat, hoping you did in fact set the CV fighter CAP on and your bombers to Naval Attack and not Stand Down (did you leave the oven on too?).

And thus I agree with others, you should cancel this game-- because it sounds like this person would want just a perfect game to revel in their glory as an armchair admiral and you are not there to either put up with that or have the game ended in 6 months when he loses the KB inadvertently...

And also, I save a planning file and then do a test run as the Japanese on the first turn. That's not to see how many
BB's I sank (because that will still be up in the air when you play the real turn) but to make sure I didn't
send an amphibious TF to Nepal or some other silly mistake.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/12/2014 3:52:26 PM

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The IJN player can easily make a copy of the Dec 7th turn, and run a test with it a few times before sending. It's the only time in the whole game you can basically double-check your orders before sending. It's a very good idea to do this when playing Japan, just to verify any changes to first-move TFs and where they end up

There really is no excuse in screwing it up.......

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/12/2014 5:20:20 PM

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You'll only find South Pacific shekels.

A SoPacshekelectomy? That's a mouthful.

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RE: PBEM Uneasy? - 9/12/2014 5:58:41 PM

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A SoPacshekelectomy? That's a mouthful.

Oh, heavens. Getting my dive stuff tweaked out so I can go take my Sister down to Looe Key. Have an old Sherwood with an older first stage for her. Got a call from the dive shop that said they had to get some parts (that I knew would happen) so they could do the SherwoodFirstStageBubblerPistonectomy. Damn !! An elongated, penetrative member, that's lubricated by use, works on your respiratory rate, and keeps you alive.

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