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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/22/2014 7:50:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		IIRC Narwhal, Nautilus and Argonaut are the only three that can convert to SSTs.

Many players seem to prefer to keep them as SS for their mine laying capability.

I like to convert them. They are good for dropping raiders on small islands and transporting supply.

For supply operations I use them as leaders of a regular SS transport TF.

Regular SS can transport supplies, just not troops.

There are so many more fleet boats with bad torps and crappy commanders that I have plenty of SS for transport duty.

Typically I only commit fleet boats to offensive operation that I can place high NAV, high AGG commanders in and there are not enough of those to go around in the first six months.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/22/2014 9:24:16 PM   
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IIRC Narwhal, Nautilus and Argonaut are the only three that can convert to SSTs.

Many players seem to prefer to keep them as SS for their mine laying capability.

I like to convert them. They are good for dropping raiders on small islands and transporting supply.

For supply operations I use them as leaders of a regular SS transport TF.

Regular SS can transport supplies, just not troops.

There are so many more fleet boats with bad torps and crappy commanders that I have plenty of SS for transport duty.

Typically I only commit fleet boats to offensive operation that I can place high NAV, high AGG commanders in and there are not enough of those to go around in the first six months.

Ya, I think you have the right idea on how to use them. As you say they can actually transport units which regular SS cannot. And if I'm not mistaken there are probably other SS out there that also have minelaying capability.

If you remember back to the Makin raid IRL it is pretty much a perfect example of what you can do with SSTs and light infantry for lightly defended atolls in WitP. In that operation the parts of the 2nd Raider Battalion were carried by the SSTs Argonaut and Nautilus. In that battle the Raiders successfully defeated an IJN company on Makin and the 2 float planes they were tendering then reboarded the subs and left.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 11:49:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember when this topic was big for awhile. I was under the impression that a Makin-style raid wasn't possible with SSTs.

I'll have to look that thread up again.

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Found one. I guess it's possible using paras.

SST Use

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 2:21:13 PM   
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I remember when this topic was big for awhile. I was under the impression that a Makin-style raid wasn't possible with SSTs.

I'll have to look that thread up again.

[EDIT]
Found one. I guess it's possible using paras.


That's the strange thing about the game - Raider units that historically did the sub raids cannot load on a sub but paradrop capable units can!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 2:35:58 PM   
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I remember when this topic was big for awhile. I was under the impression that a Makin-style raid wasn't possible with SSTs.

I'll have to look that thread up again.

[EDIT]
Found one. I guess it's possible using paras.


That's the strange thing about the game - Raider units that historically did the sub raids cannot load on a sub but paradrop capable units can!


Yep, Raiders require Fast Transport TFs instead of SST transports.


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 3:03:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something about not being able to set up a "commando" flag for LCU. The para flag was able to suffice.

My carriers are departing Wellington next turn. One CA will be a day late and can catch up later. I'll keep the five carriers in three groups in the same hex. I'll have to skirt to the west of Lord Howe. Some returning xAKLs got hit near there from Noumea last turn, losing two. He's building up the Betties there. I'm tempted to let them try at extreme range and shred them, but I don't want to expose details yet. Maybe afterwards, if I can beat up KB.

This could be a turning point. If I come out on top, I would say his expansion to the east is at an end. Noumea can look forward to starvation. I'll be happy with a draw at this point. Wasp is about 5 weeks out, so I still have something to look forward to.

Lots if "ifs". I'm pretty confident 5 USN CVs can match KB.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 4:13:39 PM   
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Lots if "ifs". I'm pretty confident 5 USN CVs can match KB.


I would not be confident; in May 1942, before you get the TBF upgrades and round out all the squadrons, and the flak upgrades, 5 USN CVs will probably lose to KB, all things being equal.

I suppose you have to roll the dice a bit, but the IJN has an advantage early. Great pilots, better planes, and more carriers; not just the 6 CVs, but by now he has RYUJO, ZUIHO, SHOHO, which are probably with KB because they can all match speeds with KAGA.

These advantages start to go away with IJN pilot attrition, USN flak upgrades, filling out TBFs and Wildcats, and flips to a qualitative advantage with late '42 AA upgrades, Hellcats, and improved Radar. But until then, pound for pound, IJN wins, IMO

Just my two yen......

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 7:46:23 PM   
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Lots if "ifs". I'm pretty confident 5 USN CVs can match KB.


I would not be confident; in May 1942, before you get the TBF upgrades and round out all the squadrons, and the flak upgrades, 5 USN CVs will probably lose to KB, all things being equal.

I suppose you have to roll the dice a bit, but the IJN has an advantage early. Great pilots, better planes, and more carriers; not just the 6 CVs, but by now he has RYUJO, ZUIHO, SHOHO, which are probably with KB because they can all match speeds with KAGA.

These advantages start to go away with IJN pilot attrition, USN flak upgrades, filling out TBFs and Wildcats, and flips to a qualitative advantage with late '42 AA upgrades, Hellcats, and improved Radar. But until then, pound for pound, IJN wins, IMO

Just my two yen......

Look back to Jocke's game vs. MrKane if you really think the 5 USN CVs can match up against the KB plus the IJN carrier reinforcements. In that battle the full might of the IJN carriers met up against the 6 USN CVs and routed them. And that was in October 1942 by which time the USN had closed the gap more. Things may go alright if you fight a fragmented KB but if you face the full KB you're going to lose 9/10 times with 5 USN CVs in mid 42.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 8:36:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Good to know about raiders vs. paratroopers.


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Lots if "ifs". I'm pretty confident 5 USN CVs can match KB.


I would not be confident; in May 1942, before you get the TBF upgrades and round out all the squadrons, and the flak upgrades, 5 USN CVs will probably lose to KB, all things being equal.

I suppose you have to roll the dice a bit, but the IJN has an advantage early. Great pilots, better planes, and more carriers; not just the 6 CVs, but by now he has RYUJO, ZUIHO, SHOHO, which are probably with KB because they can all match speeds with KAGA.

These advantages start to go away with IJN pilot attrition, USN flak upgrades, filling out TBFs and Wildcats, and flips to a qualitative advantage with late '42 AA upgrades, Hellcats, and improved Radar. But until then, pound for pound, IJN wins, IMO

Just my two yen......

Look back to Jocke's game vs. MrKane if you really think the 5 USN CVs can match up against the KB plus the IJN carrier reinforcements. In that battle the full might of the IJN carriers met up against the 6 USN CVs and routed them. And that was in October 1942 by which time the USN had closed the gap more. Things may go alright if you fight a fragmented KB but if you face the full KB you're going to lose 9/10 times with 5 USN CVs in mid 42.


+1

You can count on winning 6 against 3 (most times) in fall '42.
You can count on winning 4 against 2 (most times) in fall '42.
You have no hope of winning 6 against 6 or even 4 or 5 in fall '42.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 8:44:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the main problem is the Japs bring more targets to the table at this stage of the game, more CVLs, more BBs, more CA etc. Therefore the US attacks are spread out and fail to do fatal damage whereas the KB a/c have basically the US CVs to aim at with perhaps only a few CAs to distract them.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/23/2014 9:54:58 PM   
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I think the main problem is the Japs bring more targets to the table at this stage of the game, more CVLs, more BBs, more CA etc. Therefore the US attacks are spread out and fail to do fatal damage whereas the KB a/c have basically the US CVs to aim at with perhaps only a few CAs to distract them.


The same is true in reverse if the Allies give KB lots of targets to hit, their strikes get diluted and the Allies can get through to KB on more equal terms.
In several AARs I have seen KB whupped in 1942 when it took on US carriers with an invasion nearby. The entire morning strike from KB went for the invasion, sinking a pile of (mostly unloaded) transports while the Allied Carriers scored on several of the KB carriers.
In the afternoon the KB struck at the US CVs but with a much reduced strike, and scored some hits but did not decimate, while the PM US strike smashed several of their carriers.
In some cases the US was also assisted by LB fighters from a nearby base.
It is always a risk though because weather can shut down launches or hide the enemy and you can never tell if the AI will send all your naval strikes after an enemy DD TF!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2014 12:17:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've got the CVs at sea, but I'll tread lightly right now.

He's had ships in and out of the passage off Milne, and I can't get a good reliable reading on how many CVs are there. PBYs from Townsville have the whole area saturated. He's made all of two strikes on Port Moresby with them and the numbers involved seem to indicate 3-4 decks worth of ships.

For now, I won't go further north than Brisbane. I'm kinda pigeonholed between Oz and Lord Howe, due to the Betties at Noumea. I'm not sure what kind of search activity is happening.

In my last big CV fight, I had 3 or 4 vs all of KB. What helped me was that I had a landing going on at Luganville right between the two opposing task forces, which sucked off some of his strike. He lost all of KB to only one carrier lost by me. Of course a sub sunk another with a single torpedo the next day. I wouldn't have such a distraction this time -- especially having lost my cruisers in the area.

I have the feeling all his Rabaul G4Ms went to Noumea. They had been bombing PM daily and it's stopped since he hit my transports.

I'll probably hold. I'm letting my impatience drive things, which is never good. My preference is to hit him in the middle of a Suva operation. I have no idea if Suva or New Zealand is next on the list. His prepping for Australia itself is also a question.

My Argonaut situation got solved for me. I did a global flip of all my ships to upgrade, to catch some I forgot, and didn't reset the sub. She's currently converting to an SST at Pearl. I do have paras there, so maybe I can recon the Marshalls a bit.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2014 12:53:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Milne would be a dicey locale to engage the KB in '42 due to the inability to add LRCAP.

Its best to engage the KB under your own LBA LRCAP if possible and resist the temptation to engage when this parameter can't be met.

Suva would be a far more advantageous locale to engage.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2014 1:19:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree.

I have no planes at PM right now. The base is beat up badly, and supplies are at a minimum.

Suva can match KB in fighter strength, though I'm a bit weak in antiship there. I'm also at my limit in squadron count. Townsville could make a dent if he ventured there, but I doubt he will.

I have two B-17 squadrons left at Cloncurry, and I've set them to antiship. I'd value their recon value more than anything if they strike.

I think Noumea's due for another heavy strike from Suva. Maybe I can get lucky with the Betties. I've got 40-50 available for a raid. I've killed more fighters than lost bombers thus far.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2014 4:45:10 PM   
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I've killed more fighters than lost bombers thus far.

Unfortunately the Japanese fighter production is probably like 10-20x Allied 4E production. Success in bomber missions is not measured by how many fighters you shoot down (although of course it's a nice extra bonus). Be careful not to grind through your 4E reserves as production ramps up very slowly even through 1943.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/24/2014 5:10:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been averaging about a raid a week. Noumea is due, to his moving bombers there.

I can't really keep up a high tempo, since damaged bombers take a while to fix.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2014 2:36:12 AM   
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He's trying to reinforce his Port Moresby invasion via APDs. I've set three of them on fire. They don't hold up well to 6" guns.

I've got three subs shadowing his carriers near Port Moresby. I got one good encounter:

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Sub attack near Port Moresby at 96,135

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Torpedo hits 1
CS Chiyoda
DD Yamagumo
DD Amatsukaze
DD Umikaze
DD Yudachi

Allied Ships
SS KXVII


Pity it wasn't a fleet boat.

My recon-by-B-17 paid off as far as intel goes. His task force consisted of Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Zuiho, Hosho and Taiyo. Pretty much the kitchen sink. My carriers are headed back to Wellington. I'll have to decide if I want to wait out the next invasion or pull the trigger on the Marshalls. I think I have lots of time before the next invasion happens. I have buttloads of fighters at Pearl Harbor, and I'm thinking about sending a bunch with support units to New Zealand. Currently, the Kiwis have zilch for fighters there, and their strike forces are pretty anemic. It will also buy me time for my two Atlantas to rendezvous with the fleet.

I'm regretting sending the USA 27th as far forward as I did. They're getting pounded daily, and the results have been painful. I'm trying to get them to Rangpur right now from the SW.

I'm entertaining a bombardment of Colombo pretty soon, since the CVLs seem to be out east. I can escort two old battleships with two carriers. I've upped the fighter count on the RN CVs to about 22 Wildcats on each, so unescorted Betties will suffer if they hit.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2014 2:37:47 AM   
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Latest intel regarding Suva:

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1942-03-14 20th Recon Regiment -is planning for an attack on Suva
1942-04-21 78th Infantry Regiment - is planning for an attack on Suva
1942-05-12 40th Inf Group Brigade - is planning for an attack on Suva


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2014 3:14:26 PM   
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Ranchi seems to be the strongpoint in India where we're facing each other. He gave it a go today...

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Ground combat at Ranchi (52,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 65254 troops, 636 guns, 334 vehicles, Assault Value = 2032

Defending force 28814 troops, 523 guns, 409 vehicles, Assault Value = 618

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1307

Allied adjusted defense: 689

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5159 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 278 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Guns lost 44 (1 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
970 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 162 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 76 (3 destroyed, 73 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (6 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Guards Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
6th Guards Division
5th/C Division
18th Division
55th Division
38th/B Division
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
48th Field AA Battalion
15th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
84th Indian Brigade
70th British Division
26th Indian Division
85th British AT Gun Regiment
35th Light AA Regiment
23rd AA Bde
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment


Hopefully I can bleed him awhile. Supplies in the east are becoming a serious issue. I'm upping the demand at bases between here and the west coast to try and help things. Fuel from Abadan has been coming in regularly.

Likewise, I'm looking a little tighter in Australia. The main bases are in the 80k - 100k region. Melbourne's around 2,000. I have three tanker groups from Cape Town inbound, with two of them getting to Perth within the next week.

A USMC air HQ, along with some base units, plus a bunch of USAAF/USMC fighters and dive bombers are enroute to Auckland from Pearl. They'll take awhile, since I'm using xAKLs mixed in the bunch. This will probably increase NZ's air power twentyfold.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2014 5:19:43 PM   
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Another quiet-ish turn.

My bombers in India are hitting some of his troops in open ground, dealing out punishment. Another USAAF P-40 squadron is due at Aden shortly. There's a good lineup of fighters coming in there, which will help.

One of my Noumea USMC regiments is purchasable, and will show up in the states in about a month. 20 PPS well spent.

My guys at Port Moresby have been averaging 150+ casualties a turn on the Japanese with their artillery for awhile now. I'm ahead in raw APs now. KB has vanished, but I'm guessing the patrols just missed them. I've also put up an Australian little PBY squadron to assist. Supplies at PM are down to around 3,000. I figure if I'm now, he most likely is, too. I had a C-47 unit resting at Townsville and now they're flying stuff in. I'll try to get more transports there. The Aussies have been stuck with crap like Dragon Rapides and the like. 4 APDs are inbound from Pearl, but will take awhile. I wouldn't use them anyway with the air situation as it is.

This can drag on forever, for all I care. If it keeps KB occupied, that just gives me more time to get reinforcements to New Zealand. 1 Regiment of a USA division has showed up at San Francisco. Another is due in two days. I'll ship them off to Kiwi-land too. The last regiment is 90 days out. If KB departs, I'll run a big cargo TF in, braving the losses. It looks like the G4Ms have left Noumea for Rabaul again. Recon has only fighters at Rabaul, and my last raid didn't see bombers. The hit PM last turn.

When Wasp shows up in about a month, North Carolina will also show up with her. That should provide some needed muscle to my air groups.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/25/2014 9:40:24 PM   
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Ranchi falls. I thought they would hold, but I guess not. He was able to hold back some units for pursuit, so I guess I was outnumbered a bit.

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Ground combat at Ranchi (52,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 51108 troops, 531 guns, 330 vehicles, Assault Value = 1731

Defending force 32108 troops, 608 guns, 452 vehicles, Assault Value = 608

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 2082

Allied adjusted defense: 655

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Ranchi !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1450 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 27 (1 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Units pursuing 3

Allied ground losses:
8030 casualties reported
Squads: 244 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 581 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 127 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 200 (173 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Vehicles lost 328 (316 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Units retreated 11

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
6th Guards Division
4th Guards/A Division
5th/C Division
55th Division
4th Guards/B Division
38th/B Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
18th Division
4th Guards/C Division
48th Field AA Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
70th British Division
84th Indian Brigade
26th Indian Division
35th Light AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd AA Bde
85th British AT Gun Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment


The more combat-oriented units are headed for Patna. The rest are off to Benares. I need to figure out the Indian supply logjam. It's not due to lack of fuel, as I have a constant stream of tankers coming in. I can't imagine Calcutta as the lynchpin of all Indian industry.

I had a small transport with fighters bound for Suva. I've rerouted them to Auckland. The USA 32nd Infantry Div should be there within a week or so. They'll immediately go to Nadi. I'm probably going to round up some US tankers with fuel for NZ -- supplies too. I plan to pack lots of hungry mouths there.

My subs near Moresby keep attacking the escorts. I have four near PM and another two in the straits off Milne Bay. I want CF to always be looking over his shoulder (or under it). Another USMC para battalion showed up at the East Coast, now bound for SF.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/26/2014 9:07:45 PM   
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I've withdrawn my covered bombardment mission to Colombo. There's always the chance I wouldn't have had further attacks, but he does have plenty of escorts for his Nells.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Calicut at 28,37

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M2 Nell x 26

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 12 destroyed, 4 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Formidable
CV Illustrious

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp


Fortunately, I'm none the worse for this. Buffing the fighter squadrons did make a difference, I think.

Apart from that, the same old grind in NE India. More USAAF and RAF units have arrived. Blenheims and P-40s. He's got a sub snooping the north board edge and it got the transport which took the African Rifles to India. I'll have to re-work my routes a bit. I have a 20 kt transport hauling USAAF bombers in that area right now. Hopefully, they'll speed through it.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2014 1:47:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a goodly number of Nells and pilots in the water at this stage in the war - well done!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2014 11:52:15 AM   
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The Intel screen showed about 25 Nells down for the day, including ops losses. I don't know the truth of that screen compared to the battle report.

The "unknown" is the difficult part to deal with. I can't be sure he has spares to send there or not, and he had a respectable amount of Zekes with them. I was down 5-6 fighters after this, so I didn't want to push my luck.

If I had a third RN CV, I would have kept going. More the reason to regret the one I lost earlier. Same for Hermes. She could have been a dedicated Fulmar carrier for this.

A bombardment there would have felt good.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2014 2:17:40 PM   
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Thanks.

The Intel screen showed about 25 Nells down for the day, including ops losses. I don't know the truth of that screen compared to the battle report.

The "unknown" is the difficult part to deal with. I can't be sure he has spares to send there or not, and he had a respectable amount of Zekes with them. I was down 5-6 fighters after this, so I didn't want to push my luck.

If I had a third RN CV, I would have kept going. More the reason to regret the one I lost earlier. Same for Hermes. She could have been a dedicated Fulmar carrier for this.

A bombardment there would have felt good.

Well, even if he didn't have more squadrons within range last turn, I am sure he moved some in at the sighting of British CVs.

About the Fulmars - this fighter bomber is a compromise that does neither job well. Too slow for real fighter work and too small a bomb load to do much damage. I use it for low level attack on small or merchant ship targets, and ASW patrols.
The ASW is only because there are not enough Swordfish & Albacores available but Fulmars are plentiful.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/27/2014 2:41:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll keep Colombo in mind for the future.

Eventually I'll be able to flip the USAAF squadrons to P-38s, and then I can do a proper bombing campaign on Ceylon. That will be when I can most likely start bombardments or even an invasion.

First things first...

He's brought in plenty of troops to India and at this point, I'm hard pressed to keep him contained. CF's been inclined to mass his fighters in one spot at a time, leaving other areas unprotected. I've already got a couple of uncontested raids into Calcutta. (never two days in a row).

Likewise, my bombers in Chungking have been putting daily pain on the IJA to the north. I've withdrawn all the little bomber units to get three respectable sized bomber squadrons. Everything in the North's a mess from Sian westward, but I've got him stalemated everywhere else. I am taking daily poundings by air all over. If I didn't have the India invasion to deal with, I'd have had USAAF and RAF support in China proper, eating up Idas and the like. Chungking has been bombed daily, but still operational. I haven't put fighters there, due to daily massive sweeps. Another Wellington squadron is inbound from Aden. I've had plenty of fighters, but have been short on bombers. My P-40 squadron is hitting troops next turn. I've been withdrawing the AVG. Hopefully, I can buff the CAF a bit with the planes.

I'm not sure how Port Moresby's going to pan out yet. I have a feeling I'll get worn down on the supply front. If they fall, that pretty much shuts down SWPAC, regulating them to Australia defense. SPAC will be reduced to a holding action at Suva and New Zealand. I'm roughly 200k+ in fuel and supply at Suva, with more incoming. I need to seriously get stuff out to New Zealand, too. Oz doesn't have enough for the job without putting pain on units there, so from the States, it is. I've had regular fuel convoys to Perth to help.



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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/28/2014 5:50:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tough result in Ranchi. Methink it is too early to try to stand up to the Japanese; make them bleed through the forts but pull back before they can land a knockout blow. You did the first part but you didn't pull out even after the Japanese pulled off nearly a 2 to 1 AV result.

Did emergency reinforcements trigger yet? The arrival of those could be the decisive moment in the Indian campaign but getting them to the battlefield in a timely matter is not necessarily a given. Even with the amphibious bonus gone there is still opportunity for the Japanese to take Socotra and make it more difficult to bring them in. I think there is still much to play out in India before you can start pushing the Japanese back.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/28/2014 11:03:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The line for emergency reinforcements is quite a ways north - between Surat and Ahmedabad if I recall.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/28/2014 11:58:23 PM   
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The line for emergency reinforcements is quite a ways north - between Surat and Ahmedabad if I recall.

I'm fairly certain all of eastern India (e.g. Calcutta) is about this far north. Also I know that Panjack in his AAR had his emergency reinforcements released from moves in Eastern India but I'm not sure exactly what sparked it exactly. I would think Mundy would have already had reinforcements arrive a while ago but I'm not sure.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/29/2014 12:03:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The line for emergency reinforcements is quite a ways north - between Surat and Ahmedabad if I recall.

I'm fairly certain all of eastern India (e.g. Calcutta) is about this far north. Also I know that Panjack in his AAR had his emergency reinforcements released from moves in Eastern India but I'm not sure exactly what sparked it exactly. I would think Mundy would have already had reinforcements arrive a while ago but I'm not sure.

In the real world you are right. The skewed map has Ahmedabad at hex line 18 and Calcutta way down at 37.

EDIT: Delayed recall (happens a lot lately) - the trigger line was the hex line below Delhi - which runs through Ahmedabad. So he can land at Surat and Bhaunaghar without triggering the reinforcements and set up shop there.

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