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radar anyone?... - 10/29/2014 5:19:55 PM

mgaffn1

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I am looking for some suggestions for how to simulate a radar installation. My first attempt was to create a ground Subformation, classify it as a FLAK unit with little or no attack value, no mobility, and give it 99 spotting points, and a range of 5 hexes.
Results were pretty boring, the spotting didn't seem to effect it, and it didn't help my interceptors any...

Which leads to the second part of my query: is a radar installation even necessary? You could argue that the radar feature is already built into fighter technology. With each tech level increase, your fighters intercept ability increases.

Has anyone else considered this?

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RE: radar anyone?... - 10/29/2014 5:58:56 PM

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Bombur and I considered to simulate Radar, in GD 1938, using intercept values, that could be higher for when radar was researched. However it turned out that intercept values are only used on an opponents turn, making the programming we had done function the exact opposite of intended.

Tweber did some changes to the recon values when you had researched his version of the Radar research. This was in WaW. Basically you got bigger range and better spotting, when you had it researched. But of course this included groundforces too....

So some attempts of a Radar have been made.

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RE: radar anyone?... - 10/30/2014 5:00:44 PM

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I'll check out Tweber's WaW scenario.

I recall the original Advanced Tactics had "scouts" or "spotters" as a ground Subformation. I check that out too.

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RE: radar anyone?... - 10/30/2014 6:46:12 PM

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quote:

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Which leads to the second part of my query: is a radar installation even necessary? You could argue that the radar feature is already built into fighter technology. With each tech level increase, your fighters intercept ability increases.

Has anyone else considered this?

Yes you could argue that indeed, but IMHO it could be another worthy addition in ATG. It is my general feeling that the map could use some enhancements such as radar, minefields, coastal bunkers, etc. So yes radar would work nicely in my opinion. How it would work is another thing... maybe better intercept chances or higher kill ratio?

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RE: radar anyone?... - 10/31/2014 5:23:12 PM

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Funny you should mention that - I've been considering coastal bunkers and flak towers as well. In fact, these locationtypes would be easier to build than radar installations.

How to actually make radar work within the current game architecture would be to buy research that either 1) enables the player to upgrade his planes with better spotting, range, and kill ratios, or 2) have the research trigger an event that "mutates" or "morphs" existing units to improved models, with higher spotting/range/kill ratio. Can't recall the exact coding, will need to look in the editor.

If I had better coding skills, I could build more effects/variables into locationtypes. Instead, any simulation of improved radar is going to have to be executed via subformationtypes.

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RE: radar anyone?... - 11/1/2014 3:11:57 PM

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Making a note if I can transfer the intercept range to a SFType specific setting in a next version.

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RE: radar anyone?... - 11/1/2014 8:25:49 PM

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Making a note if I can transfer the intercept range to a SFType specific setting in a next version.

Best wishes,
Vic

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RE: radar anyone?... - 11/1/2014 8:29:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mgaffn1

Funny you should mention that - I've been considering coastal bunkers and flak towers as well. In fact, these locationtypes would be easier to build than radar installations.

How to actually make radar work within the current game architecture would be to buy research that either 1) enables the player to upgrade his planes with better spotting, range, and kill ratios, or 2) have the research trigger an event that "mutates" or "morphs" existing units to improved models, with higher spotting/range/kill ratio. Can't recall the exact coding, will need to look in the editor.

If I had better coding skills, I could build more effects/variables into locationtypes. Instead, any simulation of improved radar is going to have to be executed via subformationtypes.

One could argue that bunkers placed at a coastal line would be "coastal bunkers" and that Flak units would act as "Flak towers"... but still I feel it would make more sense - map wise - to be able to build these structures on the map. Coastal bunkers and Flak towers could be upgradeable, from 1 to 4, better guns and more hitpoints.

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