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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 5:56:16 AM

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This beauty is now in production....would it be usefull?
It's faster than any Zeke, with armour but undergunned (even if, against fighters, the two 50mm MG might be enough).

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 6:01:51 AM

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my fighter pools...production rates are adjusted for a PDU OFF environement. I need to keep on producing planes for groups that are bound not to upgrade or that upgrade to a very late model that i won't have for long time (A6M3a is an example)

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 10:52:14 AM

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my fighter pools...production rates are adjusted for a PDU OFF environement. I need to keep on producing planes for groups that are bound not to upgrade or that upgrade to a very late model that i won't have for long time (A6M3a is an example)

The Allies would KILL for pools like that.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 12:30:13 PM

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Sure, but believe me when i tell you that, the japanese air force (both IJN and IJA) in dec 1942 looks really different from a PDU ON environement!

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 1:25:51 PM

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Gun value 6 on the Oscar IIIa, yuck. Not enough firepower for me personally. Go for the big guns :) You know you need 'em against 4E bombers

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 2:51:57 PM

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But on PDU off, its about the earliest Jap plane that has armor.

I'm waiting for its arrival daily in my game!

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 3:04:02 PM

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Gun value 6 on the Oscar IIIa, yuck. Not enough firepower for me personally. Go for the big guns :) You know you need 'em against 4E bombers

Well, can you point for us those "big guns". I am fun of big guns too, however I cannot find such a/c available for Japan Army in Dec '42. And I would like to have them ;)

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 3:11:39 PM

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my fighter pools...production rates are adjusted for a PDU OFF environement. I need to keep on producing planes for groups that are bound not to upgrade or that upgrade to a very late model that i won't have for long time (A6M3a is an example)

Very nice pools. However it seems to me you little overproduced A6M2. I had similar problem, you can used them to protect bases out of range for allied fighters. Intel does not tell what king of planes are defending base, and view of intel report showing 200 fighters sometimes is quite good protection against allied heavy bombers.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/14/2014 6:52:33 PM

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(even if, against fighters, the two 50mm MG might be enough).

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/15/2014 12:12:34 AM

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And now a strategic question for the audience:

What should i do in Western Oz?
I may easily send 4 Divisions to Kalgoorite/Esperance in order to stop that little (20,000 men) army advancing on the road on foot... but should i? In 4 days we'll be in 1943... should i keep on investing in western Oz in 1943?
I am tempted...but i know that, from now on, the allies gets stronger and stronger every day... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............... any ideas?

If he's already marched this far I say let him have it. Even though it takes forever for units to march along the RR, they will actually be in excellent supply which makes it a bit different than some of the other overland marching routes in OZ. Once Kalgoorlie falls the Allies will quickly be able to move in whatever they want via major rail. If that happens it may prove very difficult to make a clean escape from Western OZ. Best to escape while it will still easy.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/15/2014 7:57:24 AM

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Gun value 6 on the Oscar IIIa, yuck. Not enough firepower for me personally. Go for the big guns :) You know you need 'em against 4E bombers

You don't really need to look at the "gun value". It's pointless (more or less). It's just like when you look at the raw AV instead of the real firepower.
those two MGs are just as good as the american 50mm guns and, placed in the CL, can be good enough to do their job against fighters and even 2Es

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/15/2014 8:00:18 AM

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Very nice pools. However it seems to me you little overproduced A6M2. I had similar problem, you can used them to protect bases out of range for allied fighters. Intel does not tell what king of planes are defending base, and view of intel report showing 200 fighters sometimes is quite good protection against allied heavy bombers.

Yeah, it's always difficult to decide what to do with the A6M2. It really depends on what the allied plaer does...if he's aggressive, you're gonna need them for the first 4/6 months. I decided to produce a lot of them also because i am going to need them even late in the war, when lots of groups arrive and are stuck with the A6M2

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/15/2014 8:03:07 AM

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quote:

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And now a strategic question for the audience:

What should i do in Western Oz?
I may easily send 4 Divisions to Kalgoorite/Esperance in order to stop that little (20,000 men) army advancing on the road on foot... but should i? In 4 days we'll be in 1943... should i keep on investing in western Oz in 1943?
I am tempted...but i know that, from now on, the allies gets stronger and stronger every day... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............... any ideas?

If he's already marched this far I say let him have it. Even though it takes forever for units to march along the RR, they will actually be in excellent supply which makes it a bit different than some of the other overland marching routes in OZ. Once Kalgoorlie falls the Allies will quickly be able to move in whatever they want via major rail. If that happens it may prove very difficult to make a clean escape from Western OZ. Best to escape while it will still easy.

Well, if i rail 2 divisions to Kalgoorile he's not gonna have it and i could easily stall him there (exposed to my bombers and without any air cover). The real question is wether is wise to keep on investing on a position so exposed... and i am still dubious about it. Letting him have western oz for free.... don't really sound that good

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/15/2014 8:36:28 AM

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After my failed effort to retake western Australia, the capture of Kalgoorlie is the key. In Allied hands they can rail in reinforcements which would includes lots of restricted units. Obvert will need to have lots of AA units with his lead elements to prevent them being bombed to dust. I didn't and lost two Marine divisions, two Aussie divisions and lots of support type troops. I would not give up this area too soon. Maybe start to pull out in late 43, but for now this keeps the vital oil centers safe with it in your hands and you position in India and Ceylon. Just look at what Mr Kane is doing in Java now to see why this area is important.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/16/2014 12:11:56 PM

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True there are not really any "big guns" at that time, just the Tojos with gun value 10.

But if there's one indicator of what's effective- it can be the Allied opponent's reaction. My opponent used LBA
freely until my Tojos started showing up and taking a dent out of his raids, he also expressed some frustration in emails.

Later in the game its the George that's causing havoc for Allied LBA raids, with gun value 20. Where the George
is, his raids suffer, where it is not, he keeps raiding freely and without as much fear. Sure you can get damage
on the Allied LBA with lesser fighters, and maybe cause some Ops losses, but the only effective deterrent at least
for me has been heavily armed fighters.

Unfortunately for Greyjoy, its PDU off though so I guess you gotta take what you can get!

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/16/2014 7:42:37 PM

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Very nice pools. However it seems to me you little overproduced A6M2. I had similar problem, you can used them to protect bases out of range for allied fighters. Intel does not tell what king of planes are defending base, and view of intel report showing 200 fighters sometimes is quite good protection against allied heavy bombers.

Yeah, it's always difficult to decide what to do with the A6M2. It really depends on what the allied plaer does...if he's aggressive, you're gonna need them for the first 4/6 months. I decided to produce a lot of them also because i am going to need them even late in the war, when lots of groups arrive and are stuck with the A6M2

And, they have good range. Sometimes you need range.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/16/2014 7:48:26 PM

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After my failed effort to retake western Australia, the capture of Kalgoorlie is the key. In Allied hands they can rail in reinforcements which would includes lots of restricted units. Obvert will need to have lots of AA units with his lead elements to prevent them being bombed to dust. I didn't and lost two Marine divisions, two Aussie divisions and lots of support type troops. I would not give up this area too soon. Maybe start to pull out in late 43, but for now this keeps the vital oil centers safe with it in your hands and you position in India and Ceylon. Just look at what Mr Kane is doing in Java now to see why this area is important.

Yes, as the Allied player I don't think I would waste the effort trying to retake Perth by land. Or even try at this point. I would be working the axis of advances that I already have and just leave this be. The Allies are not running many ships between OZ and India at this stage of the war anyways. The eventual turn in sea power will cause these bases to be abandoned sooner or later. OR you retake them using that ample sea power when it comes.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/17/2014 6:09:03 AM

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Dec 27-31, 1942

India: the allies launches a massive strategic attack at Jamesepur, destroying the whole Heavy Industry there in a single day! The Jap air force, too busy to defend the first lines, coudn't do anything.
Erik sends more guns forthe siege of Madras,but is not launching yet any attack, a part from at least10 subs that are making a blockade of the city.

OZ: Micheal and Mr.Sutton... yes, i agree he is very exposed there...but i fear an amphib operation at my back as soon as i mass my forces at Kalgoorile. He is not advancing with a massive army either...something like 30,000 men...not more. I will try to bomb them to oblivion and see, but sending reinforcements to Exmouth and Geralton, just to be sure.

SOPAC/CENTPAC: usual stuff. He keeps on advancing on the Solomon chain and bombing Nauru Island.

CHINA: Things are going well in the Tsuyun pocket. We managed to conquer the city at the very first river-crossing, pushing 8 corps out in the woods. Now only one more enemy position is needed to be overcome before having freed the Railway. Good. The reduction of Changsha will begin very soon. The 3rd tank Division is being formed at Chikkiang and now is taking replacements, while 3 divisions with 5 heavy gun units are massing for the next push

Ground combat at Tuyun (74,51)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 36604 troops, 401 guns, 522 vehicles, Assault Value = 1180

Defending force 35367 troops, 192 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 678

Japanese adjusted assault: 979

Allied adjusted defense: 274

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tuyun !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1563 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 32 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
14221 casualties reported
Squads: 275 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 576 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 46 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 47 (41 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 9
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
39th Division
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Tank Division
16th Division
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
11th Army
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
75th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
12th Group Army
10th Group Army
7th Chinese Base Force
16th Group Army
10th Chinese Base Force

The first KI-43 IIIa sentai is operative. A6M5c is advancing nicely. Should have it in four months

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/18/2014 2:01:34 AM

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OZ: Micheal and Mr.Sutton... yes, i agree he is very exposed there...but i fear an amphib operation at my back as soon as i mass my forces at Kalgoorile. He is not advancing with a massive army either...something like 30,000 men...not more. I will try to bomb them to oblivion and see, but sending reinforcements to Exmouth and Geralton, just to be sure.

Ya, and that's what I'm worried about if you commit everything to Kalgoorile. Western OZ is hard to defend for the Allies as well as the Japanese. All the 1x terrain and large coastline certainly makes attacking it a good deal easier. See if you can bomb the stack to get some better intel which units are there. I think things will become more clear as the Allies approach Kalgoorile which we know can be delayed by air attack and you only need a couple of turns to RR everything in. If the stack is all restricted units I think it would be safe to say it's a feint but if it's packed with unrestricted AA and such then it's probably more likely to be a credible threat.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/18/2014 5:57:15 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
OZ: Micheal and Mr.Sutton... yes, i agree he is very exposed there...but i fear an amphib operation at my back as soon as i mass my forces at Kalgoorile. He is not advancing with a massive army either...something like 30,000 men...not more. I will try to bomb them to oblivion and see, but sending reinforcements to Exmouth and Geralton, just to be sure.

Ya, and that's what I'm worried about if you commit everything to Kalgoorile. Western OZ is hard to defend for the Allies as well as the Japanese. All the 1x terrain and large coastline certainly makes attacking it a good deal easier. See if you can bomb the stack to get some better intel which units are there. I think things will become more clear as the Allies approach Kalgoorile which we know can be delayed by air attack and you only need a couple of turns to RR everything in. If the stack is all restricted units I think it would be safe to say it's a feint but if it's packed with unrestricted AA and such then it's probably more likely to be a credible threat.

Yes, very true. Actually i am sending just few morebase forces and AA to Kalgo, while the IDs are waiting at Perth. I have plenty of time to rail them there if needed. As far as i can tell from the recon, he is advancing with 3 US tank BNs, some AUS and NZ tank units and a full AUS division, with some AA units. We've bombed them here and there with the Betties, then he LRCAPped with Beaufighters and we start sending in sweeps of Oscars. They are now at 12 hexes from Kalgo. I want them to be closer before sending in the real bombing force. I have 200 bombers waiting at Perth just for that (Armoured Helens and the brand new Sally IIb).

Jan 1, 1943

So we entered in 1943. This will be the decisive year. Erik will start getting the first Corsairs and, in just 4 months, the hellcats...am i scared? Sure i am! His subs are getting working torps and my ASW remains awfull as always (in DBB japanese DCs are useless in deep waters).
The only good news of today is that Japan is getting the Heavy IJA 1943 squads and the IJN 1943 squads, which are a bit better...but that's all!
The B6N1 Jill is now in production (90 monthly). This will be another important upgrade for my CVs.

At Madras the allies try a bombardment attack, getting a bloody nose. 5 US (Sep) regiments, the 3rd USMC Division and several motorized Brigades and Tank units are there, so this is not a feint. He wants to attack Madras. He has 2200 AVs, with superior firepower, while i have 990 AVs but good forts (6), good terrain (+2) and i still controll the sea. Won't be easy for him to kick me out.

In China we sweep again Chungking. Today, being our HRs, we start sweeping at 25,000 feet. In DBB at this altitude the japanese fighters are at clear disadvantage. Luckly the allied groups are starting to suffer in China. P-38s aren't good for long staying CAP duties (SR=3) and the P-40K are better but not enough in numbers. We obtained a 1,3 to 1 in our favour (30 to 25), sweeping with 30 A6M5, 36 KI-44 IIb and 30 KI-43 IIb. We won't stop now. I need to controll those skies. Tomorrow the first group of 30 KI-43 IIIa will sweep and will be followed by some more Tojo and Oscar IIb sweeps. Then the bombers, hopefully. If i can wear him down, he will have to run away from the central plains, leaving me space and time to accelerate the operations in China.
China, where we are now approaching the western tip of the Changsha pocket. Finally my divisions are in place and, while we are trapping 5 corps in the woods west of Tsuyun, at Changsha we'll soon see how much supplies are left in that pocket.
If the Changsha pocket can really be reduced as i hope, then i may really be able to send several divisions to be re-deployed in key areas of the pacific....but i need to hurry up, my time is going to run dry soon...

Some important upgrades of the my first line of DDs are taking place. I need to rotate them, obviously, cause i cannot simply send them all to the yards.

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/18/2014 6:08:11 AM

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Question:
When You plan to have Oscar IV on-line. With so many Sentais forced to fly only Oscar line i believe this plane will be major upgrade to You. 360mph and most important 2x20mm army CL guns.
With PDU OFF it is must have plane

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/18/2014 6:14:44 AM

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Question:
When You plan to have Oscar IV on-line. With so many Sentais forced to fly only Oscar line i believe this planes will be major upgrade to You. 360mph and most important 2x20mm CL guns.
With PDU OFF is must have plane

Yes, i plan to have it online in Sept/oct 1943. Unfortunately the KI43 IV isn't used much and only a handfull sentais will be able to be equipped with that beauty. Something like 4 of the available ones and 2 more of the reinforcement ones. Not much.
Many of the present KI-43 IIb sentais are due to upgrade to other models (KI-61 b or c for example), some are stuck with the IIb model untill they are withdrawn and some more gets to the IIIa version and then change line (KI-84a mainly)
In a word? It's a mess!

Also lots of those squadrons that can upgrade to the IIIa model are, at the moment, light bomber sentais (Sonias or Anns) and i need to get to the Sonia "b" model before i can upgrade them to fighters (KI-43 IIIa)...but the "b" model of the Sonia only arrives in summer 1943, so it will take lot of time...

So, basically, the Oscar line stops being "steamlined" with the IIb model. After it becomes a simple mess

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/18/2014 6:54:48 AM

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This is the last sweeping raid against Chungking. As you can see, the allied numbers are starting to decrease... and the P-38s will soon not be able to take off due to damage

Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 22

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 7
P-38F Lightning x 12
P-40K Warhawk x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-66 Vanguard: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 2
P-38F Lightning x 8
P-40K Warhawk x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-66 Vanguard: 1 destroyed
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 1
P-38F Lightning x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

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RE: Indian fightings - 11/18/2014 6:58:45 AM

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While this is what he has in the stack sieging Madras...

159th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
267th Armoured Brigade
3rd Marine Division
24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
194th Tank Battalion
7th Armoured Brigade
102nd(Sep) Infantry Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
73rd Motorised Brigade
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
268th Motorised Brigade
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
Waziristan Division
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
64th Coast AA Regiment
501st Coast AA Regiment
15th NZ AA Bde
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
77th Heavy AA Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
369th Coast AA Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
65th Coast AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

And this is the allied army (part of it) facing our lines between Ranchi and Patna

255th Armoured Brigade
7th Australian Division
23rd Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
762nd Tank Battalion
6th Australian Division
150th RAC Regiment
70th British Division
6th Medium Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC AA Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
69th Coast AA Regiment
260th Coast AA Regiment
251st Coast AA Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment

There are at least more 100,000 men guarding his rear near Patna.

Based on what I see here, there mustn't be much left in India to try an amphib landing at Ceylon...he could only try if he had moved many more free units (Americans) to India, thus leaving very few in the PAcific...

mmmmm......

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1943! - 11/18/2014 7:06:53 AM

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RE: 1943! - 11/18/2014 7:14:04 AM

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And this is the Oscar IIIa equipment path.

As u can see, many existing sentais are stuck until the Sonia "b" becomes available, while few others are just training sentais.

The real problem is that, of the existing sentais, not many upgrades to the IVth model of the OScar line. Some to the KI-84"b" (which will arrive in 1945), some with the KI-84a, some more to the KI-44IIc... some others to the KI-61... it's really a mess, and that means that you cannot really concentrate your production. You must, more or less, produce everything and try to counterbalance accelerating the more important models...which aren't always the best ones...often the word "important" means the most used models, those that can be spread among the biggest number of sentais

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RE: 1943! - 11/18/2014 7:22:11 AM

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RE: 1943! - 11/18/2014 7:32:55 AM

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RE: 1943! - 11/18/2014 7:55:59 AM

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CVs:

My building program will, in 1943, enter in its zenith.

I should get the following
- accelerated Taiho by 27th Jan 1943.
- accelerated CVEs Kaino and Shinyo by 27 Mar 1943
- accelerated Amagi by 23 April 1943
- accelerated Unryu by 19 May 1943
- accelerated Katsuragi by 29th july 1943
- accelerated Shinano by 10 dec 1943

- Then, by 1944, I will get the CV Ikoma and Aso, and that will be all.

The key reinforcements will be those that will arrive by May 1943 anyway. So 3 CVs... by may he will have the Hellcats aboard, so he will be able to face my KB face to face... I need to be as ready as possible by that time (meaning that I will need to have the whole KB equipped with A6M5c and A6M8 (possibly), Jills (first model) and D4Y1s (won't get the D4Y3 until late 1943, early 1944 unfortunately)

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RE: 1943! - 11/18/2014 7:58:00 AM

koniu

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Wow. Comparing to PDU ON it is totally different game.

While in ON game since 43 army is usualy flying only Ki-44 and and later Ki-84 and navy is flying N1K and J2M planes, with PDU OFF those planes are playing marginal role comparing to numbers of Oscars and Zeros in service.

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