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Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 7:10:43 PM

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Has anyone here tried to play any of Matrix titles with Windows tablets and mobile smart phones? Are games playable on them? On another forum I was told any game compatible with given Windows (XP, 8) should work within limits of the tablet's hardware. Can anyone here confirm this accurate and true?

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 8:15:03 PM

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All games I play on tablet now. I don't need no bulky laptop or desktop. You don't either.
See my post #15 in this recent thread on tablets:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3749029

There is really no limiting factor in terms of "tablet" vs desktop or laptop that makes them unplayable, the limiting factor is the CPU and integrated videocards and limited memory - but they are making tablets nowadays that are as powerful as many desktops. Another limiting factor may be screen size, how good are your eyes? I wouldn't use the touch screen to play. Suprisingly, the touch screen works for all games like a mouse, it just isn't practical or enjoyable. Just use a bluetooth mouse, and keyboard if you need it (I do OK with just a programmable multi-button mouse).
But because most if not all Matrix games are not CPU intensive, even a moderate tablet will work on them. And they work great.
Your difficulty will also be working with windows 8.1, because some Matrix games will just not work in that OS without some tweaking. But that is regardless of tablet, laptop, or desktop.

Also be wary of the Windows RT, you don't want that. Run away from the windows RT tablets or phones.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 8:29:35 PM

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My tablet is a Win 8.1 tablet and Matrix games work just fine.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 8:30:40 PM

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Windows RT is only on 8 tablets, the rest if it's windows based are windows 8 or 8.1 tablets or phones, these are fine for gaming as long as hardware is good, and tbh most are now days for most war games as they aren't high spec like fps

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 8:46:25 PM

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Has anyone here tried to play any of Matrix titles with Windows tablets and mobile smart phones? Are games playable on them? On another forum I was told any game compatible with given Windows (XP, 8) should work within limits of the tablet's hardware. Can anyone here confirm this accurate and true?

My wife has an ASUS 10.1 Windows 8.1 (not RT) tablet. I had installed Heroes of Stalingrad and JT's Campaign Series on it. I tired them when I first loaded, but didn't have a mouse and they didn't work very well. But I I just now connected a mouse and I just played the tutorial scenario for both games and they seemed to work ok. A little bit slower than desktop, but seemed fine to me (a little small of course compared to a desktop screen).

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 9:06:46 PM

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I have ASUS T100 with Win8.1 and Command MANO and WitP AE works without problem.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 9:46:05 PM

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Looks like I am not needed here :)

Yes you can play any of the Slitherine Groups games on a tablet. Granted, the play experience might vary from title to title, because some games have a limit before the screen dimensions make it silly. I for instance think putting shooters on the Nintendo DS was a bit strange.

I have bought myself a bluetooth keyboard and a bluetooth mouse so I can if I choose or need one, use them with the tablet. Some games were not optimized for a touch screen not surprisingly, so not surprisingly they will give you mixed results if you don't have access to some input options. My first encounter with this problem for instance, was that you simply can't play Battle Academy on a Windows using tablet without a mouse and keyboard. The release of the game on the iPad will have been of course made to perform on a tablet. I also have played Panzer Corps, but it gave me no special demands so the Windows release is an example of a more cooperative title.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/2/2014 11:18:33 PM

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A lifestyle thing, I guess. I like playing on a wide-screen, powerful desktop multi-tasking in a comfortable chair - alone. I could not imagine whipping out my tablet and mouse and playing BA2 on a crowded plane, train or automobile. That's the time to read the manuals :)

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 3:07:25 AM

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Well 'powerful desktop' is really not much of a qualifier.

My desktop is not as powerful as my laptop, and the laptop is not really better than today's tablets.

So 'powerful' as a comment means nothing.

A desktop is just a big box you can change parts in easily. Laptops tend to be like em or replace em, and the same with a tablet. But eventually the desktop stops being upgradable, and then it's just a doorstop like everything else. The only reason I still have a desktop, is I never really throw anything out without reason. It's not plugged in though and sits in the corner unneeded.

But my preferred thing is to go for a long walk, to a place I can sit down and rest a while, and the mini computer just makes it possible to do some writing where ever. I'm more likely to be writing than playing one of the games.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 8:57:16 AM

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A lifestyle thing, I guess. I like playing on a wide-screen, powerful desktop multi-tasking in a comfortable chair - alone. I could not imagine whipping out my tablet and mouse and playing BA2 on a crowded plane, train or automobile. That's the time to read the manuals :)

+1
It will also depend on what type of games you want to play. Tablets aren't really so powerful as gaming laptops or desktops.
Fortunately, Slitherine/Matrix games , are not demanding, so they play well on tablets. But try a flight simulator on a tablet....

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 1:47:53 PM

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A lifestyle thing, I guess. I like playing on a wide-screen, powerful desktop multi-tasking in a comfortable chair - alone. I could not imagine whipping out my tablet and mouse and playing BA2 on a crowded plane, train or automobile. That's the time to read the manuals :)

For me that's not the appeal of tablets, to play in public. The appeal is the ability not only to play on a comfy but still hard-backed chair - but a couch, one of those chairs that you sink into, a bed, a bathtub, etc. I have an ultimate lazy man set-up - a gooseneck holder for the laptop hooked up to a desk near my bed - I just swivel the tablet around, put a pillow behind my back and sit up in bed, and play..or watch Netflix, whatever. I don't even have to touch the tablet. Want a bigger screen? HOLD IT CLOSER TO YOUR FACE. By the way video quality is HD on even moderate tablets. And yes, you get a top of the line tablet now, and it will play any game out there including flight simulators. Look up the new I7 Razor Edge, which indeed is marketed as a "gaming tablet". Tablets have come a long way in the last few years.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 2:43:09 PM

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I think some are actually AFRAID of accepting that everything a desktop can do, all the other devices can do :)

But I will agree with VPaulus, a flight sim might run on a tablet, but it is likely the wrong environment.

I also know, they don't make office chairs as comfortable as lazy boys :) But I rarely want to do a lot of high volume typing while sitting in one either. I always seem to get more typed at my desk.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 3:16:05 PM

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To be honest, I'm not sure in what likely situations I could have use for tablet. Tablet would been useful ~6 years ago along in bus trip and stay at the hotel, but instead I spent that time reading Total Warfare. I have no long bus trips or hotel stays in foreseeable future, and iPhone 4 & ebooks & Internet connection are quite adequate time consumers for toilet breaks. Hey, I'm serious here!

I take part to some events where I could use tablet to introduce some games to other players. I imagine playing hotseat would be more comfortable by handing tablet to another player across the table instead changing seats with heavier computers. Though in the longer events (whole weekend) games played are anolog in nature (Settlers of Catan, AD&D 2nd Edition, and the likes).

It has been said that some games don't work with touchscreen. Are there tablets and programs that would make touchscreen emulate mouse, like make the device ( = game) think user is using real mouse? Am I making any sense here? Has anyone used stylus for gaming and would it be adequate for Panzer Corps and the likes?

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So 'powerful' as a comment means nothing.

Powerful (used to) mean: can play Crysis in full HD resolution with gfx quality settings maxed out, possibly with antialisign. My desktop is already several years old and it can do that.

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Look up the new I7 Razor Edge

Yeah, looked it up with Google and some other search sites. Google gives me results for Razer Edge and others give nothing. Check your spelling please.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 3:32:08 PM

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I certainly hope it doesnt go this route. It would be a step backwards as there are too many distractions from superior gaming as it is.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 4:31:55 PM

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Yeah, looked it up with Google and some other search sites. Google gives me results for Razer Edge and others give nothing. Check your spelling please.

Razer Edge Pro. Never trust my spelling. But here is a link. I'm not recommending it because I don't know much about it really, it's actually almost a 2 year design so there may be even better and cheaper and more powerful models out there.
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-edge-pro

Also in reference to the touch screen - it works as a mouse in almost all windows games but it's just not enjoyable to use it, nor is it easy as an interface in games, for a variety of reasons. One of them being, I think, for the left click you have to keep on pressing it then to drag something you have to also keep pressing it. It's just awkward. Just get a Bluetooth mouse.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 4:46:11 PM

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Actually to address two comments directly.

"To be honest, I'm not sure in what likely situations I could have use for tablet." I have a neighbour, and not only does he not need a tablet, he doesn't need a laptop, he doesn't need a desktop, and he doesn't need a console, nor a TV and he also doesn't need a cell phone :)

He's got a great library though, and he doesn't care about our technology at all.

There will always be situations where one thing is worth less than another. I don't commute, at all, ever. But I do like to go for long walks which usually feature a 30 minute rest before going back. 30 minutes to sit with something if I want to. I'm of course unable to take the desktop and laptops get heavy eventually (not everyone gets around by machine). But a tablet doesn't weigh much in my purse.

I prefer a laptop over a desktop, as I do tend to change my mind where I want things in the room a lot. Desktops, they take too much effort to set up. They are not powerful enough to be worth having any more. I have yet to encounter a single game my now aging laptop can't run. All you get with a desktop these days, is a box you can open and change parts with. Other than that, claiming they are special is really just telling yourself what you want to hear :)

"superior gaming" Really, that is a term so massively loaded with boas though.
I don't think War in the East is superior to Strategic Command. It just depends on what you want in the experience.
I don't think either are even close to as fun as the board game Advanced Third Reich.
There isn't a single computer game the equal of Advanced Squad Leader, but, you can sure afford a lot of other games more readily.

There is only one direction I hope wargaming goes in, and that is forward. Forward in grabbing new blood, new fans.
I'm not sure where wargaming is headed though.

Today as I fiddle with The Longest Day on my desk here, I am a bit depressed that so much of the counter detail is so much harder than it used to be :)
Getting older sucks. Board games are better, but, board games sometimes come with fairly fine print too.
There's something to be said for Battle Academy being also a very easily viewed experience.
I'm not sure what is the predominant reason why I think WitE might have been a mistake for me, but, it is likely partly that is it not easy to view regardless of the screen size eh. The details are still a challenge even on a 40 inch TV.

Sometimes a superior game experience is one where the fun outperforms the effort.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 5:59:59 PM

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What models of Windows tablets do you use and what are the most demanding games you have got to work with them? Do you ever play without mouse, or do you play anything at all if mouse doesn't happen to be available? Can anyone tell me about gameplay differences between Windows tablet and iPad? How much different is Panzer Corps (for example) to play with iPad compared to Windows tablet?

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And check your spelling! There are no such things as Razor Edge and HP Omin

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/3/2014 8:55:46 PM

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To contribute, I am using an HP stream tablet running Windows 8.1.

That which makes a game 'demanding' is never iron clad certain.

I was surprised my Battle Academy refused to cooperate without a keyboard for direction keys and a mouse for ease of commands.

I found that Steel Panthers is fine right till you realize there is no way to click Y for yes.

I had no troubles with Panzer Corps and I think that was probably just blind luck.

Strategic Command works ok, but, I found the selecting of buttons tricky, as it demands you have incredible aim.

There are always going to be limits. A desktop is not mobile, and a tablet might have stunted controls.

My main beef with digital, is often you can't just look at the entire board at a glance. Big as The Longest Day is, I can stand here and look at the entire map in a single view.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 4:05:52 AM

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That which makes a game 'demanding' is never iron clad certain.

In this case: hardware demanding games, like Crysis and Supreme Commander series

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 4:49:01 AM

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Once again I'll ask the question can you run DosBox on them or old DOS games or old commodore 64 games or Amiga games. Does it work with emulators? It's nice that they run newer games but do they run everything just like a desktop or laptop? What I'm really wondering is how do you get your games to install without a hard drive? Will it accept portable hard drives now? I've been reading something about ONE usb port now? Is it 3.0 or what?

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 9:21:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

What models of Windows tablets do you use and what are the most demanding games you have got to work with them? Do you ever play without mouse, or do you play anything at all if mouse doesn't happen to be available? Can anyone tell me about gameplay differences between Windows tablet and iPad? How much different is Panzer Corps (for example) to play with iPad compared to Windows tablet?

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And check your spelling! There are no such things as Razor Edge and HP Omin

In general, iPad games are optimized for a touch user interface (UI) because they are specifically designed to run on an iPad. You cannot run a Windows game on an iPad (or Android tablet).
One of the biggest advantage of Windows tablets running Windows 8 (not RT) is that you can run on them any game that works on your windows desktop.
However, if you try to run a game that has an UI optimized for a mouse and a keyboard (so it works very well on a desktop or a notebook), with the touchscreen you can have mixed result, ad MrsWargamer said.
I'm not a programmer but IMVHO a touchscreen interface DOES not work on a desktop and a "mouse and keyboard" interface DOES not work on a tablet.
E.g. try playing to Tiller's Panzer Campaign series on an Android Tablet, it's a frustrating experience because of the UI not optimized for a touchscreen...
Yes, you can use a mouse and a (mini) keyboard also on a tablet, but then I'd prefer to buy a small notebook instead.
My two cents.
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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 11:52:59 AM

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Guys, once again, anything that works on a windows 8 desktop works on a windows 8 tablet of equivalent specs, there is no difference: mouse and keyboard, virtual drives(I have a virtual XP running on my tablet), etc. All except perhaps the extreme cheapest basic tablets should have a USB port, or a micro USB port (usually however it's only one port), and also a SD memory slot. You can get SD memory cards with 64gb. I actually run games off my SD memory card since the model of tablet I have has limited internal memory. You can also use online cloud storage to supplement memory of course. Use wireless Bluetooth to free up your USB ports.

Someone asked how I get my games installed? Most of the games nowadays are downloadable of course so I simply re-downloaded from the gaming site - be it steam or Matrix. Some I added by transferring the game to a memory stick from another computer and inserting that into the USB port and uploading the game to my tablet. The only problem you may have is the old games that only work when a CD is inserted. I had that problem with an old TOAW COW game. In theory I could have attached a CD drive into the USB port, which is awkward of course. I ended up using a "no-CD" crack. Yup I had to hack my own legally purchased game. You get this problem however with today's mid-range laptops however, many of which are sold without CD drives.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 12:49:56 PM

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To directly answer the question, seeing as some insist on getting a direct reply :)

Yes, you can run dosbox on a tablet with Windows on it.

Windows is Windows is Windows.

While you CAN get under powered tablets if you get earlier models, the newer ones are often MORE powerful than mundane desktops even.

The only reason I bought the HP Streamer was 99 bucks was a hard sell :) Tablets are rarely worth buying under the 300 dollar mark.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 3:29:32 PM

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To directly answer the question, seeing as some insist on getting a direct reply :)

Yes, you can run dosbox on a tablet with Windows on it.

Windows is Windows is Windows.

While you CAN get under powered tablets if you get earlier models, the newer ones are often MORE powerful than mundane desktops even.

The only reason I bought the HP Streamer was 99 bucks was a hard sell :) Tablets are rarely worth buying under the 300 dollar mark.

How do you install all these things? How large could a hard drive be on a Tablet? What do you do install an delete? Therefore you "must" have some alterior storage device you use as I can't see them having 2TB hard drives installed in those lil cases.

Oooooooh So now we have to have a NEW one. Not so with a desktop. I can run things today I ran yesterday on an OLD desktop machine. I can invest lil to nothing and most of the wargames I play will run on an OLD desktop. Not so with a Tablet you say huh?

Describe this power you keep talking about. How many ghz's, how much ram, how much hard drive space, how powerful is the video card? How replaceable are they when they are no longer top of the line? Could it be Tablets are like consoles? You'll have to upgrade and buy a NEW one every 2 years? I can just buy parts for my computer and not have to invest everytime there is a new version like cell phones and tablets.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 3:46:13 PM

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For me major headache choosing a tablet is performance of processors I'm unfamiliar. Atom and ARM processors seem to be used in tablets. How do those (and their various models) compare with i5-i7 and Athlon processors? At the moment likely the most demanding games I'd like to play with tablet are Pandora and Age of Wonders 3. What would be minimum system requirements for those games? Or what kind of tablet do you use to play those games?

aaatoysandmore, if you want play newest Crysis, you'd better forget tablets and go for the $2k laptop. Or $1,5k desktop if portability isn't required. What comes to installing games and software, it should be the same as with desktop computers: download installation file, run through the install, and before those there could be matter of payment with credit card.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 4:13:06 PM

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To directly answer the question, seeing as some insist on getting a direct reply :)

Yes, you can run dosbox on a tablet with Windows on it.

Windows is Windows is Windows.

While you CAN get under powered tablets if you get earlier models, the newer ones are often MORE powerful than mundane desktops even.

The only reason I bought the HP Streamer was 99 bucks was a hard sell :) Tablets are rarely worth buying under the 300 dollar mark.

How do you install all these things? How large could a hard drive be on a Tablet? What do you do install an delete? Therefore you "must" have some alterior storage device you use as I can't see them having 2TB hard drives installed in those lil cases.

Oooooooh So now we have to have a NEW one. Not so with a desktop. I can run things today I ran yesterday on an OLD desktop machine. I can invest lil to nothing and most of the wargames I play will run on an OLD desktop. Not so with a Tablet you say huh?

Describe this power you keep talking about. How many ghz's, how much ram, how much hard drive space, how powerful is the video card? How replaceable are they when they are no longer top of the line? Could it be Tablets are like consoles? You'll have to upgrade and buy a NEW one every 2 years? I can just buy parts for my computer and not have to invest everytime there is a new version like cell phones and tablets.

In my opinion, all your concerns are valid of course - tablets GENERALLY have less memory and less CPU power then PC's. But, today they make some tablets that indeed are as powerful, you just have to pay for it and for all that portable power you pay a premium compared to the equivalent desktop. They are also not upgradeable. All those are valid considerations.
I can tell you the specs of my tablet - an HP Omni 10, which I got for the great bargain price of $250...I think Amazon has them for a bit over $300:
The CPU is an Atom 1.46 quad core processor, the RAM is 2GB. This is not powerful by today's standards but remember 5 or 10 years ago this would be a top of the line machine. With this I am able to play every Matrix game I loaded into it except "Wars in America" which I think had difficulty handling the huge map. It ran, but scrolled slow. It runs the 3d TC2M but had some difficulty with it's successor SoW. Trying a demo, it runs but slowly. I think that is because those games were designed without the ability to use multicore threading. Otherwise, it's surprised me with it's ability to play most games, even some I thought would never run.
The memory is also limited at 32GB. The Windows OS takes up over half of that. I supplement that with a 32GB SD memory card where I have many of the games stored. Not the save files, but the actual games. I also have a virtual XP drive on this card and I can run XP off it.

So, in summary, you can do pretty good and play just about every game created by matrix on a $300 tablet.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 4:26:09 PM

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Not sure what precisely you expect to need on a tablet simultaneously.

For instance, if I were to install War in the East on it, I dare say it is unlikely I give a hoot what else might be on it :)

My tablet though holds 64 gigs of data. For point of reference, my entire wargames collection sits in a folder that is just shy of 52 gigs of data as installer files. That's 38 folders of wargames where in some cases a folder is my entire Matrix Games Close Combat Series or my entire Panzer Corps series or my entire Battle Academy series. I also have both WitP and WitE along with it's expansions in their folder. I even have that bloated data pig Legends of War present with its 3.7 gigs of data. I have almost the entire Panzer Campaigns and the entire Squad Battles series.

Now if a tablet can hold dang near all of that, I think needing more must mean some of your games are just over inflated garbage.

My tablet currently has Battle Academy series, Panzer Corps series, Conflict of Heroes series, and TOAW III on it. I currently don't have anything else installed on the laptop either. Because it is easy to buy a game, but not so easy to find the time to play it sometimes :) Plus, ME I am not inclined to consider some games as light entertainment while out and about :) I can't picture getting in a few minutes of WitE to tell ya the truth. Sometimes it doesn't even matter if something can run something, if it is unlikely to ever be desired to be present.

As for useless junk paperweight desktops. Well ya, I suppose a piece of scrap waiting to happen garbage running some has been OS from 10 years ago might be all a person has to work with. I've found though, that the reason desktops have any value at all, is because you can easily swap out the old parts. If your rig actually DOES have 10 year old parts in it, you ARE definitely poor. Because even my rig which is worth so I am told about 50 bucks, still has parts that are less than 5 years old in it.

There's nothing magical though about half or more of the games catalogue here. There mainly games from the 90s with a facelift or two. Or they were never graphically demanding to begin with. That an old desktop can run them is no accomplishment :) Anything can run them for the most part. It's a very rare wargame that demands cutting edge hardware.

Tablets are only different from desktops in one category, size. That and the screen is part of the device.
But I've seen computers built into televisions too. And with touch technology becoming the norm they are essentially just massive tablets too.

Once the technology gets away from the need to constantly swap in and out parts, the desktop will have come to an end to it's utility.

I for one, don't expect a device to need to perform longer than 5 years.
If it actually continues to run after 5 years, fine.
Chances are though, that something sufficiently innovative will as always render the old no longer of interest.

I am not in the market for a new desktop mainly as they offer nothing of worth I can't get elsewhere. If I actually need a new rig, I will just buy a new laptop. The parts in the one I have though, they have already exceeded the usual needs. I don't need TB of data storage. I don't have TB of data to store. I currently have the entire Cosmos series as emulated disks, and the entire World at War series as emulated disks on my laptop just on the chance I might need to go somewhere for a few days or whatever, and it gives me something to watch. I don't even miss the data space. You should see the size of my pdf library on my laptop. I have all my music on it.

Our capacity to make storage devices has exceeded our capacity to acquire data to some extent.

Oh and your new parts every 2 years, costs no less than our entirely new devices eh :)

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 5:09:03 PM

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My tablet though holds 64 gigs of data.

talk about going back into the dark ages of computers.

No thank you I'll stick to my 2TB rig that holds my "whole" wargame collection and all of the older ones as well clear back to the 80's. I just knew it had a rinky dinky storage system. You didn't want to bring that up I'm sure. Cause it makes the tablet as I said just look like a toy.

But, to each their own. As I said Tablets are just a fad. It will be replaced with something else not far down the road. Just like 8 tracks and beta max and a few other things along the road of technology.

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 5:16:57 PM

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i'd like to comment on this debate but don't want shooting if i'm wrong as i normally am :)

i own 7 pc's of various speeds, 3 tablets, one windows and a ipad plus an older android one, plus atm 3 laptops and with only 3 of us in the house, 2 at mostly any time it's all a bit over kill...

i don't play games on my windows phone Nokia Lumia 930, gf lad has a iphone 5, he does, gf also has same phone as me, she does... his phone holds 32gb and mine holds a 64gb card

i don't play games on any tablet, well the odd one once a year maybe at most :) gf and her son both do

we all play on the wii u, play station and xbox and tbh have most versions so won't name them all

i play games on a pc, like a big chair, a even bigger screen and can spend 8 to 12 hours playing / testing games 6 or 7 days a week...

some said consoles would take over from pc's, never happened, and in the end, ended up being a pc's in a smaller box...

same was said with laptops, then tablets, now phones, all have there uses, but one size doesn't fit all and for everyone...

what i'm trying to say is we are all different, and so is our hardware and how we use it as well, i love to fiddle and upgrade and have a strange reason for fast stuff, so i tend to wipe pc's a lot, tablets get flashed, laptops get upgraded and new o/s every now and then and pc's are always in bits, as i like to do it, i have more storage as i collect junk so at last count was 20 odd drives and around 20+TB of data, of various types, music, tv, films, old games, emulation stuff, operating systems and all upgrades etc, gave up on cd's and dvd's years ago as i had too many....

new devices are great, as soon one thing will do all, but atm none do everything so we still have a few, some more than most

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RE: Matrix games on Windows tablets & phones - 12/4/2014 5:26:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

For me major headache choosing a tablet is performance of processors I'm unfamiliar. Atom and ARM processors seem to be used in tablets. How do those (and their various models) compare with i5-i7 and Athlon processors?