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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball


Play balance problems just inevitably pop-up from games of this complexity, particularly after it's released and inventive players figure out creative ways to "game" the system, whether it's CV Death Stars, Lvov pockets, Artillery/tank stacks, HQ chaining, run-away gambits, etc. No doubt within the first few months someone will be invading Denmark in 1943 or para-dropping on Berlin or :"death-bombing" the Reich or some sort of unforeseen gambit that requires further tweaking to balance out.

I'll still buy it, but I bet it takes awhile to work out the play balance kinks.......nature of the beast

WITP-AE is a 12-year old engine, and play balance is STILL being tinkered with.

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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

I just want the game with the best single player experience between the two. No plans on PBEM.

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ORIGINAL: JeffK

I'll also wait for a few others to do a "recce by fire"

I havent been impressed by some of the AAR, seems to be too easy to create endless pockets.

I'm a historical accuracy buff, references to 1st Indian Division & 1st NZ Motorised Div have me worried.

GG has come up with some fantastic ideas for games, BUT, most have needed fantastic effort from modders to get them to the stage I want.

I'll stay in reserve until the game has been put under some pressure.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Conceptually it's odd to me it starts in the last 2/3 of the war. I get there isn't much land combat before this, but still seems strange. I'm sure there is a good VP scale to allow the Germans a victory in game, but it seems hard to play a side that is starting on the downward slope from day 1. I know from WITP:AE playing Japan in 44/45 can have it's fun days, but most of the time it's a depressing slog. I haven't read through everything here, but I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else. How do others feel about the start date in game?

That said, all of the improvements (and especially the air model) seem great. I'm with Bullwinkle on the counters. Much prefer visual icons. Maybe there will be a patch to choose a different look?

I'll be looking forward to reading some AARs from the first few weeks and months.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'm "in" if WitW turns out to be a masterpiece. But based upon what I've seen with the releases of WitE (all kinds of bugs) and WiF (promises not kept, at least after more than a year), I'm leary of making the investment. I want to hear from players I know and trust that the game is fantastic. I don't want to go through years of teething pains on a product that isn't ready or is poorly balanced or is buggy.

I've been spoiled by WitP: AE. Best game ever. I'm pretty sure I'd be happy playing it until my life comes to an end, if only it didn't require so much time! (That's a compliment, by the way.)

So, if WitW is fun and of good quality and doesn't require immense time on the scale of AE, then I'll buy it. But I need to see and hear the reviews from trusted players first.

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'm "in" if WitW turns out to be a masterpiece. But based upon what I've seen with the releases of WitE (all kinds of bugs) and WiF (promises not kept, at least after more than a year), I'm leary of making the investment. I want to hear from players I know and trust that the game is fantastic. I don't want to go through years of teething pains on a product that isn't ready or is poorly balanced or is buggy.

I've been spoiled by WitP: AE. Best game ever. I'm pretty sure I'd be happy playing it until my life comes to an end, if only it didn't require so much time! (That's a compliment, by the way.)

So, if WitW is fun and of good quality and doesn't require immense time on the scale of AE, then I'll buy it. But I need to see and hear the reviews from trusted players first.

Hey Dan!
Nice to see you're still lurking around and sniffing :-)

I have your very same concerns, but, as i was telling Obvert this morning by email, i will buy it blind, no matter what.
The fact is that WITPAE is such a good game that i find really hard (almost impossible) to play anything else.
(to be honest, there are evenings - many- where, while laying down with my GF, i can't help but thinking about what Obvert will do in India, how i will manage the Ha-35 Engine production in 1943 or which location is better to fortify for the next allied advance, instead of devoting to what should be the "love of my life"... shhh, don't ever tell her!)
... so WITPAE is such a great game... and i would find a bit "un-grateful" (sp!?) towards the GG Devs team not to buy their newer products not because i've not been happy with their previous, but because i've been (i am) even TOO happy with what they've done so far.
It's like if my clients had such a good feedback from what i've done for them that they wouldn't buy anymore of my services in the future... quite a paradox!

So, i'm gonna buy it. Don't know if i will ever play it (guess so), but i will. Just like as i've done with BTR, WITE etc...

They simply deserve that, imho.

Also i've played BTR enough in the past to know how good the new air system will be. I trust them because i've seen their products. They may have some problems (which product doesn't have em!?) but, for sure, they are the best on town.

my 0,02 cents

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

vonRocko - I am a playtester and I finished about five games through the playtesting. I know several other playtesters did too. While all of my playtest campaigns were as the Allied player, I know that several others finished them as the Axis player. The game probably will still need some balancing out - and you can only do that with a lot more game results than the playtesters were able to generate.

WitW 43 campaign takes less than half of the time of the WitE 41 campaign and we won't even compare it to the massive time commitment for WitP. We should start seeing some campaign results against the AI in the next week or two - depending on people's time on the game. I would not be surprised if we see a Human vs Human game finish by the end of this month.

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ORIGINAL: Kriegsspieler

I agree. A game that starts in 1943 misses the ebb and flow of the entire theater. But clearly that's coming down the road, because the mechanics for putting the entire European side of the war together are now in place. Think of the money you pay for this game as a downpayment on the final product!

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ORIGINAL: Red Lancer

It's not marketing really -  it's development time.  WitW took well over two years.  If you push the timeline back beyond May 43 you really need a more developed naval game which adds another layer of complexity to iron out and balance. 

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Kriegsspieler

I agree. A game that starts in 1943 misses the ebb and flow of the entire theater. But clearly that's coming down the road, because the mechanics for putting the entire European side of the war together are now in place. Think of the money you pay for this game as a downpayment on the final product!

I had not realized this factor (1943 start) was bothering me on an unconscious level until obvert said it out loud. I get all the marketing reasons to do the hard-core years in the West first, but it does seem . . . jarring after playing WITP/AE so long and having to fight through the tough early era to get to the fat times as Allies.

A complete 1939-1945 WitW . .. man, big, tasty meal! I'm already wondering how they handle the Battle of the Atlantic, on which so much turned.

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ORIGINAL: Red Lancer

It's not marketing really -  it's development time.  WitW took well over two years.  If you push the timeline back beyond May 43 you really need a more developed naval game which adds another layer of complexity to iron out and balance. 

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Kriegsspieler

I agree. A game that starts in 1943 misses the ebb and flow of the entire theater. But clearly that's coming down the road, because the mechanics for putting the entire European side of the war together are now in place. Think of the money you pay for this game as a downpayment on the final product!

I had not realized this factor (1943 start) was bothering me on an unconscious level until obvert said it out loud. I get all the marketing reasons to do the hard-core years in the West first, but it does seem . . . jarring after playing WITP/AE so long and having to fight through the tough early era to get to the fat times as Allies.

A complete 1939-1945 WitW . .. man, big, tasty meal! I'm already wondering how they handle the Battle of the Atlantic, on which so much turned.

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ORIGINAL: Red Lancer

Joel wrote this text way back in Feb 2012 (Original here:  http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3051557  )

Our next game will be War in the West 43-45 which will be the same scale as WitE and will include a more robust air game with the land campaigns and strategic bombing. After that we plan on War in the West 40 (which will include Norway, France, England and the Med, and add a new detailed naval system) and War in the West 41-42 which will focus on the Med. War in the West 43-45 will have campaigns that start in the summer of 43 and the summer of 44, as well as shorter scenarios. We have an alpha map for all of Europe (including the Soviet Union to east of the Urals), North Africa and the Middle East). We plan to use this map to eventually produce a WitE 2.0 which would fit in with the War in the West products and allow us to fill in a complete War in Europe. Of course, this will take many years.

It's great to see all you WitP guys here - having played WitP, WPO and WitP:AE I merely observe that WitP is a principally a naval game with abstracted land units whereas WitW is a land game with an abstracted naval model.  I love your thinking but quite how it might work takes genius - thank goodness for GG.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Downloading right now. I hope my fellow AE players will do the same!

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Downloading right now. I hope my fellow AE players will do the same!

Did you clear this with Herself?!! You're gonna be in trouuuuuuuuble!

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ORIGINAL: Grotius

...I always feel like the game is a letdown if the Axis messes up its early blitzkrieg, because the endgame becomes less interesting.