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Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/19/2014 3:11:45 PM   
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Hi. During we wait for official patch we decided with operating to test beta version. I want to make an AAR and I hope you will have some fun reading it... So let us get started.
Sorry for my bad English.

Turn 1
23 JUL 1914
CP (Operating) launch first attack on serbian's possitions. My garisson survived and it was move back to repair. Also I had to disband my arty to start quick production of infantry corps.
For now I don't have a plan- I will react to what operating will do.

Sorry for my bad English.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/19/2014 5:56:22 PM   
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I will watch this ones progress with interest,I do hope you all like,most of the changes in game.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/19/2014 6:34:43 PM   
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For now it's far mor better than last patch. I saw only coupleof changes but I like more different ships and changes in air war (which looks very good at last for the first sight). I will post my oppinion during this AAR.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/19/2014 7:14:45 PM   
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For now it's far mor better than last patch. I saw only coupleof changes but I like more different ships and changes in air war (which looks very good at last for the first sight). I will post my oppinion during this AAR.


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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/20/2014 6:14:49 PM   
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Turn 2
30 JUL 1914

AH moves without a fight. I think Operating is takein good positions to strike Belgrade. We will see next turn. I'm trying to build line of defence.



Turn 3
6 AUG 1914

Thouse pictures talk all about what happened last enemy's turn.






In Serbia Belgrade holds at 1 step so I had to retreat this infantry corps. I've also decided to move back and leave Capital without any defenders. This possition is to dengerous and I don't have enough force to defend it. I'ts only a matter of 2 turns and it will be raized to ground so I don't want to wast my units to defend it.


In France and Belgium I can see some dificulties to stop Germans. I think next turn I will have to retreat and take defensive possitions in the front of Paris...


French Pre-Drednought destroyed at Med Sea- This is my Achilles heel (naval battle) so I have to be carefull.


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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/20/2014 10:47:05 PM   
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Hi Suprass81,


First strategic error you made was saving the Garrison unit that was attacked,It may sound heartless,but this unit is best sacrificed in order to buy you some time,because it will take the Austrian units another couple of attacks against this hapless Garrison unit in order to destroy it,also disbanding your Artillery at the start was a very big boo boo,your Strategy has to be first and foremost to Defend your Capital cities,because without these you loose all hope of repairing or building any new units, in order to defend your Country.

Another tip,don't attack with any unit you have positioned in Belgrade in the future,because this unit will more than likely sustain damage and be weakened,making it an easier target when it is attacked by Austrian forces.

Big mistake leaving Belgrade undefended? There is a massive morale penalty now in place for loosing Capital cities!

Tip for anyone playing as the Entente : In order to defend Serbia,Russia needs to be aggressive against the Austrian border,which should force Austria to keep a strong defense against Russia.France and Britain should use their naval forces in the Mediterranean to escort French & British troops to assist Serbia.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/21/2014 5:06:11 AM   
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We will see what happen. I'm useing strategy that works very well for last patch.
I didn't attack with serbians so they wereat ful strenght.
Serbian's arty can fire once in 5 or 4 turns- for me it's not enough.
In last patch it worked- if now it's bad strategy I will find something new. I'm playing this version "blind".

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/21/2014 7:23:50 AM   
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Hi Suprass81,


First strategic error you made was saving the Garrison unit that was attacked,It may sound heartless,but this unit is best sacrificed in order to buy you some time,because it will take the Austrian units another couple of attacks against this hapless Garrison unit in order to destroy it,also disbanding your Artillery at the start was a very big boo boo,your Strategy has to be first and foremost to Defend your Capital cities,because without these you loose all hope of repairing or building any new units, in order to defend your Country.

Another tip,don't attack with any unit you have positioned in Belgrade in the future,because this unit will more than likely sustain damage and be weakened,making it an easier target when it is attacked by Austrian forces.

Big mistake leaving Belgrade undefended? There is a massive morale penalty now in place for loosing Capital cities!

Tip for anyone playing as the Entente : In order to defend Serbia,Russia needs to be aggressive against the Austrian border,which should force Austria to keep a strong defense against Russia.France and Britain should use their naval forces in the Mediterranean to escort French & British troops to assist Serbia.


About Serbians production- there is no chance to save Belgrade production. It's only a matter of time and there will be 0 PP in this city before 1914 ends. So only morale penalty is something that can force me to defend capital at all cost. Leaving infantry corps in Belgrade make them open to attack them from three directions so t's another waste of PP and manpower. This is why I decided to leave this city. It's prabobly first and only city that I left without soldiers (Maybe Warsaw if Germans strike hard in the first turn... I will see).
About hopeless garrison- maybe you are right. But I'm based on my old tactics and strategies- if they don't work it will be good to think about something new :D

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/23/2014 2:43:29 PM   
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Turn 4
13 AUG 1914

In serbia german arty took passition in Belgrade- Looks like Operating want's to finnish Serbia quickly. I have my possitions and I will defend.


Reinforcements for Serbia


In France I took a big risk. I had to open my right flank to stop march towards Parris and to save Calais. We will see if Operating enter this hole. I will have 2 new garrisons next turn.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/23/2014 6:29:27 PM   
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Turn 5
20 AUG 1914

Serbia holds for now. I have no PP to repair army. I've got -5 income so I don't know how long I can hold. Reinforcments are comeing but AH block them from landing. Next turn there will be a grat naval battle :D


In France it looks like I will be able to save Calais. Than I will try to retake connection to Antwerp.


Russia prepare strike to put some preasure to Koenigsberg.





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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/25/2014 6:50:52 AM   
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Turn 6

3 SEP 1914
In serbia I'm moveing back to get some time...



In France I try to save Calais. If it fall I will have to defend Paris. I've made a small counter attack. We will se what will happen next turn...



In Russia I am prepareing attack on Koenigsberg. Also I will try to put som preasure to AH. (I forgot to take picture of AH front :/)



In this version Entente is much more dificult to play. It looks like there will be much less units to operate. Russia is mobilizing her force realy slow. Also research are streched in time and it will make a big differences in France and Russia. Untill spring 1915 there will be very difficult to make any caunterattack in France and CP will have lot of initiative... I will probably loose but I think thous changes are best so far. I have to work on new strategy.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/25/2014 9:27:42 PM   
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Turn 7
17 SEP 1914

Serbia is dead. Nothing more to say. I will try to save something or at last take some atention for as long as I can.


Eastern front.
I've decided to start my actions at southern sector of this fron to focus Operating there. Next turn I will attack on Koenigsberg. I hope something will happen- if not I'm in a really bad positin.



France.
Operating took Calais and it took away british Drednought...? He bloked two hex of water and I've bloked third with my ship- my drednought didn't had any place to go out of the port and disappeared. Is this correct? There is no info in casulties tabel...


ground situation looks promissing. Maybe I can stop Germans at this possition.


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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/25/2014 9:48:49 PM   
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Turn8
1 OCT 1914



Tannenberg Battle has begun! Russians with smaller forces gathered in the first weeks of mobilisation sucessfully attacked Koenigsberg. Just befor attack Germans strike in the Warsaw direction. This mean that I will have some time to try defend Koenigsberg. I don't think I will be able to hold it but at last Operating lost some PP and National Morale! Strategic manuvers in southern sector. Now I must hold and try to harras at the same time.




Is this a bug? My fleet in port will suffer so much casulties? Hmmmm....


At the same time French lounche a series of counterattacks on Germans. I will try to preasur from both sides. Germans infantry corpse are at about 8 effectivnes- this is my chance. I don't belive I can retake Calais in 1914.



Serbia. Nothing new except that I can make some repairs. All is sold so I have 4 PP income... I will try to reinforce this front but I don't think I will be fast enough...



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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 11/29/2014 12:04:52 PM   
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Turn 9
15 OCT 1914

Germans retook Koenigsberg. I was thinkuing that armour train is able to stand against three garrisons with support from sea. Don't you thing that armourd train is to weak?



In Serbia- reinforcements has arrived. I am afraid that it's too late.


In France situation looks stable.


Rusian's fleet goes down... I think I can keep germans buisy with my subs.


Turn 10

29 OCT 1914

In Russia I will try to stop CP offensive at my current positions. Than I will prepare offensive to strike both sides (east and west) at the same moment.



In France situation without changes


I hope I will be able to save Skopie.


Turn 11

12 NOV 1914

In Rusia allmoust quiet. CP attaked only at Warsaw (and took it) and in the southern part of front.



In France I had to withdraw my exposed infantry corps. I feel safe here. I've got some options to manuver in the defence line. With some reserves I can defend long time. After Skopie is captured I will maybe turn back french reinforcments from road to Serbia...


Serbia is lost.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/1/2014 8:54:19 PM   
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Turn 14

24 DEC 1914

Russians landed near Consatntinopole! I will try to attack Constantinolpole and capture it! If I'm lucky I will have to defeat only small garrison. I will have backup from sea- Wish me luck (this can be a turning point of this war)


Eastern front. Looks like north part of this front will be stable for now. In the south I will try to push AH and maybe capture Lemberg



In Egypt Britsh forces took positions and are waitning for sneak landing below Aqaba. This will push Ottoman's arty back and enable me to strike their possitions.


Quiet in France. I'm starting to prepare my spring offensive. I will atack in the southern sector wher Germans keep only garrisons. In previouse versions this situation was very dengerouse for CP. We will se what it will be like this time.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/2/2014 9:08:46 PM   
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Turn 16
21 JAN 1915

Sorry but I forgot to take pictures last twoo turns.

In Russia I had to command a general retreat to take new defensive positions. I wil try to stop Germans at Vilna and AH at Vinnytsia




In France allmoust quiet. Some small fights.



Trying to send my convoy safe to England

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/3/2014 7:45:55 PM   
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Turn 17

4 FEB 1915

In Russia I'm trying to take new defensive positions.


In southern sector I've made counter attack. I've got a feeleing that I'm not able to stop CP in this front.


In France Germans attacked near Verdun and killed one infantry corps... My plan didn't changed- I'm going to strike soon...


Nothing more interesting to report.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/7/2014 11:43:13 AM   
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Turn 18

18 FEB 1915


In Russia I can't do anything. I will try to hold for as much as I can and stay alive as long as I can. I hope I can hold for 2 turns so first new corpses will enter this front.


I will try to build defence at Vinnitsia.


In France all is allmoust set to launch an offensive. British arty will be sent to Nancy. I want to make a big punch befor Germans can regroup.


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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/7/2014 11:55:34 AM   
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Turn 19

4 Mar 1915


It seems that Russians cant stop Germans but maybee Operating will send there a large army- it looks like he is doing that. If I can drag his atantion some more maybe french offensive can bring some sucess.



I'm ready- next turn I will strike. See you in Strassburg! (wish me luck becouse I will need it).

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/7/2014 12:57:46 PM   
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Turn 20

I think that Research is unfair. There is to large gap between Entente and CP If I'm correct Russians gain lev II for infantry last turn so there is the reason of her defeat (one frome the reasons on the ground). Other are anballanced as well. For example- British need about 12 turns to research new level for fighter planes and Germans have level 2 from about 3 or 4 turns- 20 turns for CP in advance? Is this fair or not? Maybe I can't see something different that make Entente better in other aspects...


In Russia CP overhelming my forces. Soon I will be destroyed.



In France Operating just moved his northern sector. I can't see wher he gores but at las one corps is sent to Sranssburg soo.... I've decided to attack from other side too. British infantry attacked enemy's possitions near Calais. My air forces are massacerd by Germans and I can't do anything for a 12 turns... This turn I've killed one garrison and bring down to 4 another one. I'm affraid that Operating scouted my plans... :/

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/9/2014 9:55:48 PM   
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Turn 21

1 APR 1915

British fleet is fighting german's subs for couple of turns. I hope Operating didn't prepared an ambush with his Baltic fleet becouse I didn't think about it... If I will be able next turn I will retreat to safer possitions



Russia... I can't stop so many troops...



In France British assault faild- no losses for Germans. French offensive slowly push forward... to slow. My air units are massacred.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/13/2014 6:31:16 AM   
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Russia

This is situation during three turns. CP has overhellming adventage in number. I can't save her. Same time Ottoman's are attacking the "back door" (sorry I have no pictures).





My army in the northern sector is sorrounded- I don't think I could save it anyway...

Vinnitsia is still fighting.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/13/2014 6:42:42 AM   
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French offensive lost its's steam... It looks like I'm going no where. I can only think about Strassburg- I need to change direction.


Calais is holding against british attacks. I'm trying to brake front in twoo directions... but I can see the light in the tunnel. German infantry corps is at low efectivness level and it's wounded- I will try to use it.


Finally a brakethrue! I don't think my cavalry will survive- Operating has his own in reserves to make counterttack... but this direction looks prommising. I will try to push this way.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/13/2014 8:00:54 AM   
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15 APR to 13 MAY 1915

Egypt

After quiet preparation for offonsive British lounch an attack. Same time Gallipoli event started... Nice :D
I got some new units- I'll try to use them to land and take some cities- but AH has a lot of subs (they are to powerfull for now- I think their cost of upkeep should be rised to 2 or 3 PP. 4 or 5 subs for AH in Med sea... I don't know what to think about it...)






Same time I will try to land behinde Ottoman's lines and force them to regroup.


Thouse subs aree killing surface fleet everywhere....


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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/13/2014 9:12:19 AM   
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Hi suprass81, France & Britain have more than enough naval might, to deal with Central Powers in the Med! This is your first play through, the next time you play the scenario, you should be more aware of what is going on, by the way 1.6 Patch should be releasing very soon, and I have included some fixes that address, a few issue you have discovered while testing this beta,loving the AAR.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/13/2014 1:05:32 PM   
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quote:

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Hi suprass81, France & Britain have more than enough naval might, to deal with Central Powers in the Med! This is your first play through, the next time you play the scenario, you should be more aware of what is going on, by the way 1.6 Patch should be releasing very soon, and I have included some fixes that address, a few issue you have discovered while testing this beta,loving the AAR.


Hi Kirk- you can be right about naval since this is not my best side... Next time I will put more atention to my own subs. Good to hear that 1.60 is comeing out... :D
About the things I've pointed- I don't think that I am right evry time. Some things can work good but in my oppinion the don't becouse I can't use them yet. This is how I feel about subs. If you fix Russia and Serbia starting army ad Research I think all will be good- even if subs are to cheap to upkeep- becouse both sides can use them so it's fair for me... (but Russians can build a line from subs and block Baltic Sea to stop convoys :D Ask Operating how to do this :D )

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/16/2014 5:04:48 PM   
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I gave permission to Operating to read and put some comments. Tomorrow I will update AAR with news from couple of turns...

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/16/2014 7:38:35 PM   
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Hello Commander Suprass!

Thanks for letting me read your AAR! There are some things I learned from it, but for the most part I could see what was going on, "Of course I could not read your mind". I had played CP in SP for several turns when Suprass approached me about joining him a MP match, immediately accepted his challenge. He's a tough and methodical player, much of is not displayed in the AAR, I believe we both were learning this new patch as we went along. We also have another match going, switching sides, currently he is kicking my ass there, again we are in a learning curve with this excellent new patch. To me, it's "Serbia First", a slight boost in Serbia's PP and minor changes to allocation of PP to cities would make a difference there. Perhaps allowing the African French infantry to transport from a closer port to Serbia might be an option (if that was the original intent? For it could go to France also.). Without a doubt! Entente navy has the far more dominate role in the Mediterranean. If Kirk has some ideas in mind to change that, I'd like to hear about it. By choosing AH subs, I have to make sacrifices else where, it's a Commander's decision on how to approach the game. I had "NO" idea the Gallipoli Event was going to happen, total surprise. It just so happened my subs were near enough to combat the landings, strictly a "stroke of luck". On to Russia: Russia is not exactly a "Cake Walk", but once the Russian Front breaks, it opens up a vast space, less constricted than fighting it out in Poland proper (with it's forts). How to keep the front contained by the Russians? Is an issue...... Should be up for discussion, for it could get out of hand in overbalancing. If anything is to be done with Entente techs, AH deserves a fair shake also, "To be fair". The cost of repair in this patch has made a world of difference, I can not argue against it. Even upkeep, seems to be sensible, which is hard to get used to! Although some of the large ticket items seem to be on the "cheap". The cost of both of these items, smothered the game to me (in prior versions), there again all players have to play by the "rules" set (if they change, be up front about it). Capturing Koenigsberg definitely was a major blow, The French Front reflected the cost. I wished Suprass covered the English Channel naval battles, a back and forth battle of wills of naval might. In a way favorable to him, for in the meantime his convoys went unmolested. Folks, it was unlike any AI you might encounter. I was going to do an AAR of my own, but left it up to Suprass, also wished he had done an AAR as him being CP (it's not too late). Like playing chess, you have your early game, your middle game and your end game (always look at least 5 moves ahead). Enough said here, onward to the "Sound of the Guns". Nice job Suprass..

Kaiser Commander, Bob

PS, "cheap", is meant towards repair and upkeep, not unit cost.



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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/16/2014 8:12:12 PM   
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Hello Herr Bob. We meet in this "no man's land" in a minut of silence without gunfire :D. For me all aspects of the game works very good (I like new repair system- it works with long time to build units) except- research (to big differences between CP and Entente), Serbia (too easy to kill) and Russia (to easy to kill and not able to make any offensive at the begining). Same time I think that Russia and research problem can be easy fixed just by setting research more ballanced and adding one or two infantry corps for Russia. Serbia is a bit more complicated but I think that it will be fix in official 1.60 patch.
About sea warfare- I didn't put atantion in this sector (as usually in all of "old" games) and I'm punished by you. If there was a sacriface from AH to build so big subs fleet I can accept that- on sea I played really bad and I'm happy that this is punnishing me :D Now war on the sea is EMPORTANT (for the first time). English Channel battle was "pushing between subs and my drednouughts" (I've got a feeling that only drednoughts can fight against subs but maybe it's how it should be... until new research ofcourse.
I've got question- after you retook Koenigsberg you get back National Morale?
P.S. your skills are higher than last time ;)

THX for your responce in AAR.

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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please) - 12/16/2014 8:42:18 PM   
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It sound as thou you guys are enjoying playing this patch? As for Serbia and Russia, I have made a few minor adjustments, that will help the game play even more when the game goes official hopefully later this week.

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