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Air Mission not flying - 12/15/2014 5:10:07 PM

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Ok I'm snookered by this one. I'm playing the Grand Campaign from '43 and I can seem to get the RAF 2nd Tactical Air Force to fly a mission.

I've set them to Ground Attack German airfields in Northen France/Belgium. It's clear weather, they have no other AD's set. Their pilots/planes are not fatigued. The targets are in range. I've tried setting the Groups manualy or letting the computer do it auto. I've restricted the target to 1 hex. I've set the target priority to airfield as "HIGH" and everything else to ignore. The weather is clear, their minimal weather to fly is set to poor. Yet they keep executing 0 sorties. I've changed the target, just in case something was weird about that... still no dice. Anyone have any ideas about what I'm missing?

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/15/2014 5:19:52 PM

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The first thing to start troubleshooting no sorties situation is to check the color of the target area when you set it up. If it is full red (no green or purple), go to select the air groups and check "no fly" box. It should show what is the reason.

It still may no fly if it green/purple when all priority is set to none or if there are no valid targets in the area. You may look at the Logistics Event log (Shift-E) air exec section. It should have entry for the no flying air directive.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/15/2014 5:50:55 PM

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I am having the same problem in my Server game with Pelton. I don't have the problem with games vs the AI.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/15/2014 7:18:22 PM

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I wonder if it may depend on the actual fighter escort level.
I had the same issue, I set escort level to 0 and my bombers started to fly again.
It was obviously my fault cause I based my bombers in southern Italy and my fighters in Sardinia.
Patel, could you please tell me de difference between a green target area and a purple one?

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/15/2014 7:19:37 PM

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Green - mission AC + escort coverage
Purple - mission AC and no escort.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/15/2014 7:24:45 PM

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Ah, thanks. I really couldn't figure it out.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/16/2014 3:54:15 PM

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So the mission box shows GREEN, nothing in the event log about the mission not flying, it's just not flying. I even changed the Air Directive parameters to include units and rail at low priority to try to see if that changed anything and moved the strike craft closer to the target (and picked a new target) - still no dice.

The only thing I did was change the leader of this formation in the first turn or two of the scenario... that's it.

The Event Log did help me figure out why one of the missions I assigned for the 8th Air Force wasn't flying.... so that was a usefull piece of advice.... thanks. But it looks to me like the 2nd RAF is bugged.

My next step is to transfer a couple of those squadrons to 9th Air Force (and stage them in a base designated for 9th nearby) and see if they'll fly the same mission then.

I'll also change the AD target parameters for 2nd RAF to INTERDICT at normal priority and pick a target box that is a few hex's wide..... at this point I want to see if I can get them to fly ANY mission at all.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/16/2014 4:50:15 PM

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Have you tried deleting all of 2nd RAF air directives and then creating them new? If you haven't I would try this, sometimes it helps.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/16/2014 4:54:42 PM

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unfortunately there is a lot of reason for them not to be flying, so I can't suggest anything more precise without a save.

Usually it is either no targets or no planes. Each of them might have dozen of reasons. I suggest you to start a new topic on support forum and upload a save. Could be something is really wrong and we never seen it before. Thanks.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/18/2014 3:11:58 PM

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Instead of opening a new thread I'll just add my issue in here.

Is the automatic interception chance heavily dependent on weather?

The bad weather season has started in Italy with 2 drops and more, and suddenly the Allies can pound my fighter bases with impunity. Is this a case where a AS Directive would be mandatory to force my fighters to fly?

Just to add, the fighter units suddenly have all their aircraft under damaged or reserve, nothing ready even though they have plenty of pilots.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/18/2014 3:24:47 PM

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quote:

Is the automatic interception chance heavily dependent on weather?

Yes, but so do striking missions.

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Is this a case where a AS Directive would be mandatory to force my fighters to fly?

No, automatic interception should work. AS is much more universal "tool".

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Just to add, the fighter units suddenly have all their aircraft under damaged or reserve, nothing ready even though they have plenty of pilots.

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/19/2014 11:12:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/19/2014 11:33:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I am having the same problem in my Server game with Pelton. I don't have the problem with games vs the AI.

Kinda weird bugs at times.

Some are HvH and some H v AI

All minor.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 1:52:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MechFO

quote:

ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

is that a 1.0 game or after patch?

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 2:31:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

quote:

ORIGINAL: MechFO

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

is that a 1.0 game or after patch?

Before the patch, thought it was me screwing up guess its another bug.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 11:11:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

is that a 1.0 game or after patch?

Both, the original game was in 1.0 but I redid in 1.07 and the same happens.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 12:39:49 PM

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To try to understand this:

What you are saying is that :
1-- you are playing 1.07
2-- as germany you fly some planes into Italian airbases.
3-- you change those airbase hq's and toe's to German.
4-- Italy surrenders
5-- logistics phase runs.
6-- All of those airbases that you had set one way get changed over to different air hq's and jacked up toe

Does that describe what is happening?

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 1:39:32 PM

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My problems with 2nd RAF Tactical AF and the 9th USAAF were that they were targeting airfields with no aircraft. So no targets of worth and no flying. My contention is that my Recon missions (which would discover that there were no aircraft to hit) should at least be flying - especially with FOW on. Its in Pavel's court now as to if that changes.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 2:34:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

To try to understand this:

What you are saying is that :
1-- you are playing 1.07
2-- as germany you fly some planes into Italian airbases.
3-- you change those airbase hq's and toe's to German.
4-- Italy surrenders
5-- logistics phase runs.
6-- All of those airbases that you had set one way get changed over to different air hq's and jacked up toe

Does that describe what is happening?

No.

I'm talking about Italian (yellow) airbases transforming into LW ones after the Italian surrender event with bad default settings.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 3:13:39 PM

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So your Luftwaffe is flying from Italian airbases the whole time?

you never change them to Luftwaffe hq?

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 4:00:20 PM

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Places I use for the fight down in Sicily I do, but when that is lost and I move my units north I normally don't bother since they aren't doing much up there.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 4:15:52 PM

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So you should change the air bases from Italian to Luftwaffe when you move them.

there is ~20percent penalty on maintenance when you have airgroups on an air base of a different HQ.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 10:09:55 PM

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The maintenance penalty is irrelevant if I just want to park them and I spread them out so as too avoid presenting too much of a tempting target. Either way, a solution which boils down to changing every single airbase is Italy by hand to a different HQ IMO can't be WAD.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/20/2014 10:33:47 PM

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so why don't you fly them to Germany?

you might have to scroll the map though.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/21/2014 11:11:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

so why don't you fly them to Germany?

you might have to scroll the map though.

So that makes Italian bases flip to LW control with useful settings? Excellent. Might want to document that "feature" though.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/21/2014 11:22:50 AM

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Player's Handbook Topic 8 - end of the paragraph on Airbase TOE.

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RE: Air Mission not flying - 12/21/2014 11:56:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

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so why don't you fly them to Germany?

you might have to scroll the map though.

So that makes Italian bases flip to LW control with useful settings? Excellent. Might want to document that "feature" though.

No

It seems clear that what you want to happen is Italian airbases to change to German ones and keep the same settings when Italy surrenders. It doesn't happen that way. Maybe there will be a change the future.

Your options are to change the airbases to German before Italy surrenders, or change them after. You should change them when you put airgroups on them but that might require you to click some stuff.

Have you tried AI manage airbases?

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