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OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/23/2014 11:36:09 PM   
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... it has become an empty holiday for me, as I haven't seen my daughter for a year and a half. I don't want any sympathy, but I want to remind all of you that your family is what's most important to you. Show your love for them in this Christmas season, and spend some time with them if you can.

Happy holidays to all,
Glenn

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/23/2014 11:54:41 PM   
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Very true.

I'm alone for the holidays as well. At my age, it makes me realize how I really neglected my parents after I had my own family going. That is something I regret deeply :( Still, I'm just glad that my sons and daughter will be surrounded by friends, spouses, children and inlaws during this occasion. I live vicariously through Facebook postings and pictures. That is enough :)

My online friends like yourself help me keep my spirits up... and I have all my ranch critters ;)

Happy Holidays Glenn :)

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:03:46 AM   
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I always get together with some part of my family every Christmas. I hope your daughter comes to see you soon. Merry Christmas, Rhonda, they'll come to see you soon, I am betting!

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:12:49 AM   
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I don't really like the blasted holiday to be honest.

A. it's not his real birthday, thus making it a scam event.
B. it's commercialized to death.
C. more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event.

But even with the separation making this the first Christmas sort of alone, the thing is, we are still friends and still doing the Christmas family dinner either way. I've been baking up a storm here. My gifts were all made in my kitchen.

If you must fixate on an event, me personally, I think New Years Day gives more mileage. Not religious, nothing needed to be bought, and it's about the hope of a better year to come.

I hope you enjoy your Christmas regardless of your persuasion, never pass a chance for a good turkey dinner eh. But my primary wish, is 2015 is good to you.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:30:14 AM   
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A. it's not his real birthday, thus making it a scam event.
B. it's commercialized to death.
C. more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event.


I can understand A to an extent, and definitely B. How does the fact that more of this planet is not Christian than Christian have anything to do with making it a worthwhile or pointless event?


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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 3:15:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KrazyIrish89

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
A. it's not his real birthday, thus making it a scam event.
B. it's commercialized to death.
C. more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event.


I can understand A to an extent, and definitely B. How does the fact that more of this planet is not Christian than Christian have anything to do with making it a worthwhile or pointless event?


Warspite1

+1

What has the number of Christians got to do with it? Most religions are not in the majority but that does not mean their religious festivals are pointless TO THEM.

Scam event? It's the date used to celebrate the birth of Christ. The fact that he may not have actually been born then is irrelevant. Our Queen was born in April but her birthday is officially celebrated in June so what?


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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 3:41:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: KrazyIrish89

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
A. it's not his real birthday, thus making it a scam event.
B. it's commercialized to death.
C. more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event.


I can understand A to an extent, and definitely B. How does the fact that more of this planet is not Christian than Christian have anything to do with making it a worthwhile or pointless event?


Warspite1

+1

What has the number of Christians got to do with it? Most religions are not in the majority but that does not mean their religious festivals are pointless TO THEM.

Scam event? It's the date used to celebrate the birth of Christ. The fact that he may not have actually been born then is irrelevant. Our Queen was born in April but her birthday is officially celebrated in June so what?



And Lincoln's and Washington's birthday is celebrated on the third Monday in February. And I've never heard that called a scam event either.

In other words, +2.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 3:43:40 AM   
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Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 3:53:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:06:09 AM   
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Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Warspite1

Well I'm sure that sentence means something to you

So basically you made a couple of points about Christmas that were largely wrong, and were called out over it, and now, instead of accepting the fact, you bring in all sorts of other stuff to try and justify your earlier comment (but are still banging on about the fact most of the World is not Christian like that is at all relevant).

To those who want to celebrate the Christian aspect they can, to those who are just glad of a day or two off work, that's up to them too. For me personally, I'll do both thank-you. Oh and my little Warspite's will be making biscuits for Santa and leaving out carrots for Rudolf just as they have done every year since they were small enough to believe in Father Christmas. How you or other non-believers (in God), or indeed those with their own God to worship, choose to spend Christmas is up to you/them.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:09:48 AM   
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I don't much like this season. I had my breakdown in December 1994, I have trouble with crowds due to paranoia and it is dark far to long. I am not a happy person so knowing this is supposed to be a happy season does not strike a cord with me.

I know Jesus was not born on the 25th of December but that does not bother me too much religious wise.

So depression and paranoia make this part of the year bah humbug for me. If you can enjoy it more the merry to you.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 5:00:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JW


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.


Yup

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 5:03:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Warspite1

Well I'm sure that sentence means something to you

So basically you made a couple of points about Christmas that were largely wrong, and were called out over it, and now, instead of accepting the fact, you bring in all sorts of other stuff to try and justify your earlier comment (but are still banging on about the fact most of the World is not Christian like that is at all relevant).

To those who want to celebrate the Christian aspect they can, to those who are just glad of a day or two off work, that's up to them too. For me personally, I'll do both thank-you. Oh and my little Warspite's will be making biscuits for Santa and leaving out carrots for Rudolf just as they have done every year since they were small enough to believe in Father Christmas. How you or other non-believers (in God), or indeed those with their own God to worship, choose to spend Christmas is up to you/them.


+1 But, *every* day is a day off for me.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 5:18:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurelian


quote:

ORIGINAL: JW


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.


Yup




+2

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 10:11:42 AM   
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WOW, Glenn's simple little message sure got the mud flying-for no reason at all.

Merry Christmas Glenn.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 12:11:59 PM   
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Thank you, Glenn.

I hope you have Happy Holidays Glenn.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 12:17:22 PM   
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In "A Christmas Carol" Dickens briefly addresses this attitude towards Christmas. Here is an adaptation of that scene, as done in 1984, featuring George C. Scott. Start at the 59:00 minute mark and watch for two minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvdMjXhPGd0

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:02:18 PM   
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I often wonder when you teach your children there is an easter bunny, a tooth fairy and a Santa Claus how you can expect them to believe in this Christ. They are all old stories from the past that created them. After revealing a lie 3 times told about the bunny and fairy and Santa Claus (hope no small children can read)I often wonder how you can expect them to believe you again? This part of life amazes me to some extent.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:34:40 PM   
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@KG I'm on my own from 11am once my daughter goes to her Nans and see her Mum for a few days..so from 11am Xmas day I'm on my own for a few days.....

I will be thinking of you though. I understand loneliness.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:41:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

... it has become an empty holiday for me, as I haven't seen my daughter for a year and a half. I don't want any sympathy, but I want to remind all of you that your family is what's most important to you. Show your love for them in this Christmas season, and spend some time with them if you can.

Happy holidays to all,
Glenn


A Merry Christmas to you, KG. I've a full house now with two young children, but can feel some of your visceral emptiness. Your message is a good reminder to show love for my family, which I fully intend to do.

@ Warspite1: thanks for the reminder on the carrots for the reindeer! I'd almost forgotten.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 1:59:13 PM   
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With both my parents gone, I figured my siblings and I wouldn't see one another again for the holidays. But I was pleasantly surprised when one of my sisters began hosting Thanksgiving and Christmas get-togethers at her home. That's where I will be tomorrow and I am looking forward to seeing them again.



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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 2:35:37 PM   
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I often wonder when you teach your children there is an easter bunny, a tooth fairy and a Santa Claus how you can expect them to believe in this Christ. They are all old stories from the past that created them. After revealing a lie 3 times told about the bunny and fairy and Santa Claus (hope no small children can read)I often wonder how you can expect them to believe you again? This part of life amazes me to some extent.
warspite1

That's an interesting viewpoint - I'd never thought of it like that

There was a story in the papers recently where a woman, now in her 30's, suffers from depression every Christmas since - at the age of 10 - she found out that Santa was not real....

I cannot speak for myself as I do not recall my parents making a big thing of Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy.

However we have been religious about ensuring my little warspites know of all three - and all the rituals that go with them.

Now, as they get older, so they no longer draw pictures for the tooth fairy, they no longer believe the Easter Bunny gives them chocolate eggs, (but they still put food and drink out for a Father Christmas they know does not exist).

But in going through that phase from unquestioning belief, to "is this real?" to "no its all made up" they have never questioned why their parents "lied" to them. They are baptised and confirmed into the Church but neither have questioned - at this stage - whether God exists or that "you lied about the other stuff, why should I believe you about God?".

So, so far all good.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 2:38:22 PM   
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While Christmas time may have many negatives that have become attached to it, remember in the end it is what you make of it. Enjoy the time in your own way and don't let those who have lost its meaning discourage you.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 3:52:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JW


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.


Was not my intent, but Warspite doesn't seem to endure being wrong well :)
Which is essentially his cross to bear.

Nice as the chat is though, I have tarts to bake, cookies to bake and baking in general to do :)
Because regardless of the justifications, people expect a nice meal to appear on the 25th, and I enjoy eating it too :)

And remember, the reason for the season is actually axial tilt :)

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 3:59:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer


quote:

ORIGINAL: JW


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.


Was not my intent, but Warspite doesn't seem to endure being wrong well :)
Which is essentially his cross to bear.

Nice as the chat is though, I have tarts to bake, cookies to bake and baking in general to do :)
Because regardless of the justifications, people expect a nice meal to appear on the 25th, and I enjoy eating it too :)

And remember, the reason for the season is actually axial tilt :)
warspite1

Au contraire dear. I am often wrong, about a lot of things too, so I am quite used to the feeling.

However, I am at a total loss to understand what on earth you are waffling on about.

You said, and I quote, "more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event".

That comment is about as nonsensical as its possible to get. Because your average Chinese or Mongolian or Japanese or Indian or whatever are not Christian, you say Christmas is a pointless event.

Right.....



< Message edited by warspite1 -- 12/24/2014 5:05:00 PM >


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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:11:34 PM   
nate25


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer


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ORIGINAL: JW


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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.


Was not my intent, but Warspite doesn't seem to endure being wrong well :)
Which is essentially his cross to bear.

Nice as the chat is though, I have tarts to bake, cookies to bake and baking in general to do :)
Because regardless of the justifications, people expect a nice meal to appear on the 25th, and I enjoy eating it too :)

And remember, the reason for the season is actually axial tilt :)
warspite1

Au contraire dear. I am often wrong, about a lot of things too, so I am quite used to the feeling.

However, I am at a total loss to understand what on earth you are waffling on about.

You said, and I quote, "more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event".

That comment is about as nonsensical as its possible to get. Because your average Chinese or Mongolian or Japanese or Indian or whatever are not Christian, you say Christmas is a pointless event.

Right.....



Not sure why you folks even reply to this troll....

just gives credence to statements that otherwise have none.

Cheers,
Nate

< Message edited by nate25 -- 12/24/2014 5:13:38 PM >


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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:20:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: nate25

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer


quote:

ORIGINAL: JW


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)


Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.


Was not my intent, but Warspite doesn't seem to endure being wrong well :)
Which is essentially his cross to bear.

Nice as the chat is though, I have tarts to bake, cookies to bake and baking in general to do :)
Because regardless of the justifications, people expect a nice meal to appear on the 25th, and I enjoy eating it too :)

And remember, the reason for the season is actually axial tilt :)
warspite1

Au contraire dear. I am often wrong, about a lot of things too, so I am quite used to the feeling.

However, I am at a total loss to understand what on earth you are waffling on about.

You said, and I quote, "more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event".

That comment is about as nonsensical as its possible to get. Because your average Chinese or Mongolian or Japanese or Indian or whatever are not Christian, you say Christmas is a pointless event.

Right.....



Not sure why you folks even reply to this troll....

just gives credence to statements that otherwise have none.

Cheers,
Nate
warspite1

Natester's back!

How are doing old chap? Whatcha been doin'?


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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:26:16 PM   
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Enjoying a day off. Thanks for asking.

Hope you all are well and ready for Christmas or Hanukkah or ....

Cheers, Nate

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:53:53 PM   
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My family is gone, to cancer.
My friends are gone, to a host of things in life.
I have a wife, and a son. My rock, and my anchor.
I have no religion in me anymore.

All this spouting off about Christmas is just that. Christmas is not the holiday, or the shopping, or any such pap. It's an idea. MrsWargamer, and those like him/her, missed the boat entirely. So go enjoy your dinner. I will be doing a party downtown at a school for homeless kids tonight.

I have this hanging in my office. I wish we could all live up to it.

I shall pass through this world but once! Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any human being, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.

Supposedly by Stephen Grellet, but who cares. Just like Christmas, it's the thought that counts.

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RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... - 12/24/2014 4:58:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lecivius

I shall pass through this world but once! Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any human being, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.

warspite1

Nice


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