Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)

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ORIGINAL: Lecivius

My family is gone, to cancer.
My friends are gone, to a host of things in life.
I have a wife, and a son. My rock, and my anchor.
I have no religion in me anymore.

All this spouting off about Christmas is just that. Christmas is not the holiday, or the shopping, or any such pap. It's an idea. MrsWargamer, and those like him/her, missed the boat entirely. So go enjoy your dinner. I will be doing a party downtown at a school for homeless kids tonight.

I have this hanging in my office. I wish we could all live up to it.

I shall pass through this world but once! Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any human being, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.

Supposedly by Stephen Grellet, but who cares. Just like Christmas, it's the thought that counts.

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ORIGINAL: Zap

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)

And your so misinformed.

1 Santa Claus is a harmless distortion of the real (proven to exist) Saint Nicholas Bishop of Sweden who brought gifts to children. When Swedish immigrants came to the US that tradition caught on here. It was secular society who had a hard time with equating gift giving at Christmas with a Saint of the Catholic Church. Since the practice was so prevalent. It was more digestible to change Saint Nicholas with a jolly old man. And then the rest of the fantasy has been added.

2 And no most Christians' believe Jesus was Jewish descent. Whatever that looks like!

3 And there is nothing pagan about the birth of Christ. Christ came into the world when he came into it. The exact date is not recorded. But it is most probably somewhere near December according to calculations of events in the gospel.
But you have a problem with Christianity, as you say, "Christianity is mostly fabricated". Of course your disdain for Christianity is typical of many atheist who find sport in mocking Christian belief. The problem is your guessing what Christians do believe.

4 The predominate religion in the Us and much of Europe is Christian. I see no problem in taking that historical event and setting aside a time to reflect on it as a nation. I mean what other event in history has had so much good come from it? The message of jesus rings clear throughout history. Love even your enemies. We celebrate Jesus not what some people who may distort his message may do.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: nate25

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

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ORIGINAL: JW

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment.

Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh.

Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins.

They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :)

But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well.

The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own.

I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him.
I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :)

It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :)

Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point.

Was not my intent, but Warspite doesn't seem to endure being wrong well :)
Which is essentially his cross to bear.

Nice as the chat is though, I have tarts to bake, cookies to bake and baking in general to do :)
Because regardless of the justifications, people expect a nice meal to appear on the 25th, and I enjoy eating it too :)

And remember, the reason for the season is actually axial tilt :)

warspite1

Au contraire dear. I am often wrong, about a lot of things too, so I am quite used to the feeling.

However, I am at a total loss to understand what on earth you are waffling on about.

You said, and I quote, "more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event".

That comment is about as nonsensical as its possible to get. Because your average Chinese or Mongolian or Japanese or Indian or whatever are not Christian, you say Christmas is a pointless event.

Right.....

Not sure why you folks even reply to this troll....

just gives credence to statements that otherwise have none.

Cheers,
Nate

warspite1

Natester's back!

How are doing old chap? Whatcha been doin'?

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore
We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore
We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems.

No *we* aren't, mate. If *you* are, then so be it-I hope your celebration of Saint Nicholas brings you and / or your family happiness.

My family (and most Christians I know personally) are very cognizant of (and lament) the commercialism of Christmas, yet mindful of the real reason for the celebration. The birth of our lord Jesus Christ.

I enjoy the time with my family and my children on Christmas and try not to let the myopic and targeted ill will of militant proselytizing atheists / agnostics / trolls detract from this day. Those that attempt to impose their own non-belief on others on this special day are trolls that don't have the sense to shut their festering gob for even 24 hours.

Thankfully, Matrix forums has a nice feature for this-the 'green button'. It's even color-coordinated for the season! Just like my Christmas tree.

ETA: Other than the first paragraph, aaatoysandmore, the above isn't directed towards you specifically. Peace.

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore
We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems.

No *we* aren't, mate. If *you* are, then so be it-I hope your celebration of Saint Nicholas brings you and / or your family happiness.

My family (and most Christians I know personally) are very cognizant of (and lament) the commercialism of Christmas, yet mindful of the real reason for the celebration. The birth of our lord Jesus Christ.

I enjoy the time with my family and my children on Christmas and try not to let the myopic and targeted ill will of militant proselytizing atheists / agnostics / trolls detract from this day. Those that attempt to impose their own non-belief on others on this special day are trolls that don't have the sense to shut their festering gob for even 24 hours.

Thankfully, Matrix forums has a nice feature for this-the 'green button'. It's even color-coordinated for the season! Just like my Christmas tree.

ETA: Other than the first paragraph, aaatoysandmore, the above isn't directed towards you specifically. Peace.

I do believe there are a "few" who do not celebrate the commercialism but one would have to think just by all the advertisements, media on tv and radio and people grabbing this and that and you should have seen target here on black friday. It just makes it appear that the "majority" do celebrate Saint Nicholas vs Christ's birthday. It's kinda like what someone said though it's more of a tradition than an event celebration. You are programmed from a young age to do this stuff. I don't think the mold can be broken or that people really want it to be (the commercialism that is) When I was young my parents didn't teach me this was christ's birthday celebration it was all about Santa Claus and gifts. Christ actually came later in life from them. Maybe you were brought up differently. That's what I meant about everyone has a different look an impression about things. There's no real one way or no way to it.

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"majority" do celebrate Saint Nicholas vs Christ's birthday.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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One can be a Christian, and believe that Christmas is a time of celebration for the birth of Christ and still take part in buying presents, and all the "commercial stuff" that some people here seem to be getting so worked up about.

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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion.

I won't say no to a day off.

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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion.

I won't say no to a day off.

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There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say,’ returned the nephew. ‘Christmas among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round -apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that- as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!

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ORIGINAL: JW

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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion.

I won't say no to a day off.

Oh, now you've done it. Merry Christmas anyway. And happy time off.

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

I wonder why all these people that support Christmas are not wishing her a merry Christmas and instead attacking her?

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

I don't really like the blasted holiday to be honest.

A. it's not his real birthday, thus making it a scam event.
B. it's commercialized to death.
C. more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event.

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

I wonder why all these people that support Christmas are not wishing her a merry Christmas and instead attacking her?

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

One other thing that comes to mind. How many of you put on your christmas presents to your children or others. Merry Christmas from Christ? How many of you put Merry Christmas from Santa Claus? How many of you put Merry Christmas from yourself? Just a thought.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain?

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

And I stand by the statement that while she may have been rude the proper response was to politely disagree and wish her a merry Christmas.Or perhaps a happy Holidays since she doesn't believe.

I do not like Christmas time I do not like the winter season at all. Doesn't mean one should forget the Christmas season's purpose.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain?