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O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 12/31/2014 10:15:57 PM

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I came across this today and thought folks here might be interested.

Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918

The nerve of early pilots was remarkable.

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 12/31/2014 10:27:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: desicat

I came across this today and thought folks here might be interested.

Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918

The nerve of early pilots was remarkable.

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Very much so - thanks for sharing.

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 12/31/2014 10:42:05 PM

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As a retired naval aviator when I read that the normal recovery procedure was to actually ditch the returning aircraft and then wait in the icy water to be hoisted aboard by on-steaming vessels I just laughed aloud - my wife asked me what I was reading!

To imagine that there was some expectation to reuse the ditched aircraft was just hilarious - more so as it was actually true and sometimes successful!

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 12/31/2014 10:57:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: desicat

As a retired naval aviator when I read that the normal recovery procedure was to actually ditch the returning aircraft and then wait in the icy water to be hoisted aboard by on-steaming vessels I just laughed aloud - my wife asked me what I was reading!

To imagine that there was some expectation to reuse the ditched aircraft was just hilarious - more so as it was actually true and sometimes successful!

warspite1

Incredible bravery just to get in one of those aircraft - let alone knowing you are going to have to ditch in the sea at the end of the journey........

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 12/31/2014 11:45:55 PM

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very informative, thanks! Hal

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 1/1/2015 2:36:16 AM

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Very interesting read thanks!

what it is still not clear for me is that the article mentions Furious was a one-way-carrier: aircraft could launch, but not recover. However, later it mentions:
"Strutters were the logical choice for a bombing raid, but the admirals didn�t think they wanted to expend any of them � in the short time they�d had Furious with the fleet, they�d gotten hooked on the situational awareness that eyes-on aerial reconnaissance could bring them. So it was the Camels or nothing."

Does this mean that every aerial recon mission ended in an aircraft ditching in the sea? if so, then wouldn't it be better to keep using float planes instead?

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 1/1/2015 3:29:54 AM

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The only reason I can see they used the Sopwith Camel is that it had a better survivability rate and combat ability due to its performance. I did a cursory search and couldn't find any float variants for the Naval version of the Strutter.

From what I have read the ditching seemed to be the preferred method to recover the pilot - salvaging the A/C was considered a bonus. I am far from an expert, maybe a period historian will chime in with more details.

Performance - Sopwith Strutter

Maximum speed: 100 mph (87 knots, 161 km/h) at 6,500 ft (1,980 m)
Endurance: 3� hours
Service ceiling: 15,500 ft (4,730 m)
Climb to 6,500 ft (1,980 m): 9 min 10 s

Performance - Sopwith Camel

Maximum speed: 115 mph (185 km/h)
Stall speed: 48 mph (77 km/h)
Range: 300 mi ferry (485 km)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 1,085 ft/min (5.5 m/s)
Wing loading: 6.3 lb/ft� (30.8 kg/m�)
Power/mass: 0.09 hp/lb (150 W/kg)
Lift-to-drag ratio: 7.7

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 1/1/2015 12:21:47 PM

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Thanks for sharing!

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RE: O/T Great Zeppelin Raid: 19 July 1918 - 1/1/2015 1:29:34 PM

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