Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: batek688

Did you establish the formations or are they just random? Some platoons show a 400m front while others are stacked on top of each other; however, the formations "seem" semi-structured (but that could be the AI). That was for Bravo. Alpha is string out in a line with the AAA up front =)

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ORIGINAL: batek688

The formations were all over the map. It may be due to the entire formation trying to move at 24 kts. The result was "interesting" with the trucks up front, followed by the air defense, followed by the combat elements. I just let it run and watched my force get wiped out rather quickly.

I suspect it is the limitation that I was trying to explain which is a big difference between land warfare and sea/air. The units were stomping all over each other especially if you targeted the group and "F1" a target. It's like Black Friday at Walmart as they all try to occupy the same territory to get within weapon range.

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

In the mean time you can pull it off using singles in the game with a bit of effort. I've uploaded a couple of examples using 2 and 4 point patrols. Feel free to play around with the different settings but it should prevent them from floating around a single point. Keep in mind with LUA add and remove missions (mission chaining) you could actually model stops and go's etc.

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ORIGINAL: batek688

Thanks Mikmyk,

I posted in the main forum rather than here, but I think it's two problems really. One is maneuver and the second is behavior in contact. LUA may provide the maneuver solution (or maybe the unit size idea I posted in the other forum); however, contact may be a different story! It may actually be a better option to create larger units in the database so that it is treated as "one blob" by the engine rather than micromanaging. Something like "USAR Task Force" where you then add weapon systems to it ala '16 M-1, 30 M-2, 4 M-3, 4 ITV.' I haven't tried to do it yet, maybe later.

IMO, this is why Command should remain Sea/Air and push land to a different instance and theater level to a higher level still (ala WITP:AE). When commanding the theater level it would be sort of masochistic to be plotting waypoints by platoon. You might have the odd scout platoon ala a single ship/sub, but most of the time I would expect battalion/task force sized formations equivalent to a CVBG or SAG.

Bill

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ORIGINAL: Mgellis

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

In the mean time you can pull it off using singles in the game with a bit of effort. I've uploaded a couple of examples using 2 and 4 point patrols. Feel free to play around with the different settings but it should prevent them from floating around a single point. Keep in mind with LUA add and remove missions (mission chaining) you could actually model stops and go's etc.

I like it. The technique appears to be to create reference points for each unit rather than for the group. I think this is what confuses people because you figure that since the units form a larger formation (e.g., a battalion) that they should be set up as a group with a formation and then the entire group is assigned to a single mission. But if an entire group of ground units with a formation is moving from one point to another, the positions of every unit within the group have to be reorganized each time the group changes direction, etc. On the other hand, if you tell each unit where to go at each phase of the move, the group should actually end up in position with the formation more or less intact.

You can also set up columns that stay pretty intact by charting a course for each unit in the same way. Each course will simply overlap the others so that the units in the column follow each other and do so in a certain order.