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Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 2:07:11 AM   
Waz

 

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Status: offline 		I have been seeing something in my current game that confuses me. Units given assault orders that never move, or at least not yet.

One M1 company left two platoons behind and assaulted. Over an hour of game time later those two platoons are still sitting with orders to move with WAY out "next actions" but the waypoint editor thinks they will arrive in ten minutes. There's no way they could arrive at WP3 in ten minutes if they move immediately.

Same problem with another comapny. All three platoons are behaving the same way.

Everyone is in command, fresh and ready, just not willing to get up and go over 60 minutes after the orders were issued.

Any ideas?



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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 2:32:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Waz, what version of the game and is it Matrix or Steam? Are you playing single player or PBEM or PBEM++? Was this a group order or single orders?

I know there is a weird post min and time limit to post files but if you could get us a few screen shots and a save file of the game with this behavior it will help us track down the bug. If you can't post files here right now please email them to me and we will look them over. My email is capn.darwin(AT)windstream.net. Replace the (AT) with @ of course.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 3:17:48 AM   
Waz

 

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Status: offline 		Steam version, single player, single orders.

I just played a bit more and some of the units began to move. I ended the campaign scenario, but I do have the turn-by-turn saves.

EDIT:

Well I DON'T have turn by turn saves, but I can send you an end of game save.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 1:47:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Waz, were the units given a group move order or were they issued orders individually?

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 2:46:19 PM   
Waz

 

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Status: offline 		Individual orders were issued.

So can I take it that this is unusual behavior?

Another thing I saw in the game - artillery that would show a callout for a fire mission but no impact or effect observed. Once I saw two batteries with callouts for a hex on map, but saw no impact or effect.

Strange behavior indeed.

I have video of this stuff for what it's worth. Of course watching long command cycles with me droning on in the background to see a fleeting thing like that doesn't sound too good even to me! Maybe I can snip a bit out later for review. I don't have much time to mess with this today. I have to get packed and ready for a trip to Vegas tomorrow. SHOT Show here I come!

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 3:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Waz, play with autosave on and will have a saved file when you see this again.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 4:28:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Waz, arty hitting an empty hex where a target has moved is possible. No bug there. We will look into the other bug.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 5:35:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Capn Darwin

Waz, arty hitting an empty hex where a target has moved is possible. No bug there. We will look into the other bug.


Well OK.

I've seen that and do not think it odd. What I did see, just to be sure I am clear, was a hex with a known target called out by an artillery unit with no impact effects. Could an attack that resulted in no casualties have occurred? Of course, but I no way of knowing that. All I know is that I saw no impact animation and heard no sound.

For what it is worth it's my opinion that what I have seen are not game breakers. In fact I assumed for a bit that it was a game design feature to simulate missed orders or other confusion on the battlefield. So really I am not bitching, just seeking clarifiction.

Thanks for your promt replies. I do appreciate it.


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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 9:20:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		A trick you can use here Waz is looking through the fire mission report at the bottom of the screen. Even if a barrage does no damage there will be a message along the lines of '....battery fired at unknown units in (hex number)'. If that isn't there then the hex was empty.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 10:01:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Waz, my bad, I did not understand the first time. It is very possible to hit a target in a hex and get no kill or losses. The unit hit will take a readiness hit every time though. Getting hits is a function of target size (units), number of arty tubes, rate of fire by mission type, defender's terrain, spotting of target, and size of arty fire.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 11:00:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Capn Darwin

Waz, my bad, I did not understand the first time. It is very possible to hit a target in a hex and get no kill or losses. The unit hit will take a readiness hit every time though. Getting hits is a function of target size (units), number of arty tubes, rate of fire by mission type, defender's terrain, spotting of target, and size of arty fire.


Happens all the time. I get it. Still I saw no impact animation. That was really the only thing I found odd.

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RE: Units that delay movement, maybe never move? - 1/18/2015 11:57:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Depending on the delay setting and other action going on, it is possible to have an animation skipped. Does sound a bit odd. We'll check it out.

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