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Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 12:27:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you ID the class of this carrier? How about the specific ship?




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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:01:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is an unusual picture. Japanese pictures from the war are usually a lot poorer quality than that. The quality looks like an American picture. From the two tails visible, they are from two different air groups. One of the planes in the foreground has a damaged horizontal stabilizer and a missing cowling. Another looks like it has some sort of fuselage damage covered with a tarp.

At a guess, I think these might be captured planes on their way back to the US. The only surviving flyable A6M5 is at Chino. It was captured on Saipan and returned to the US for evaluation. Ed Maloney acquired it from the military when they were done with it. (He also got an Me-262 that way.)

The deck appears to be somewhat wide for a CVE. It looks more like a fleet carrier, but I doubt the USN would use an Essex to transport planes unless the ship was damaged.

The paint jobs place the planes sometime around the Battle of the Philippine Sea or later. If it is a Japanese photo, it would be unlikely later. If it is a Japanese photo, my guess would be the Zuikaku, though it may also be the Hiyo or Junyo. The only explanation I can think of for having planes from other groups on board would be recovery of CAP after loss of the Shokaku or Taiyo.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:13:48 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:41:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm no pro in the ship and plane recognition, but I would swear the guy is wearing a shoulder patch. Did the Japanese wear them? It also looks like a c#nt cap, US issue.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:45:02 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:54:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not Enterprise. The original pic is a bit clearer - the guy is shirtless. wdolson made a number of interesting observations...

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 2:00:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The guy by the Zero with the damaged fuselage is white, so this is a USN carrier.

The forward elevators on US fleet carrier were not that far forward and the elevator is definitely down. Unless it is the stern (unlikely), this is not a CV. The Yorktown class rear elevator was pretty close to the stern. The rear elevator on the Essex class was well forward of the Yorktowns. The Saratoga had the elevators closer to amidship.

It's probably a CVE, though it still looks kind of wide for an escort carrier.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 2:06:23 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 2:28:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		wdolson had most of this figured out. This is the Bogue Class escort carrier USS Copahee (CVE-12). She is transporting captured Japanese aircraft to the States for evaluation. I believe one of the aircraft aboard is the one that ended up with Ed Maloney.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 2:31:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The guy by the zero has no shirt on, so if he's wearing a shoulder patch he's quite the stud.

I'm not good enough for this but the elevator shown should be conclusive.

Sorry I missed the fact that the mystery has been solved.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 2:42:06 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 2:53:05 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 3:14:39 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 3:16:59 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 3:18:09 AM   
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Bet it says 'MOM'





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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 3:34:06 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 5:11:21 AM   
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That is one big mfing birthmark.

I actually have a birthmark that big but it's on my left arm.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 10:18:01 AM   
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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:42:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GI Jive

Here's a clearer view of the stud.





An obvious photoshop of Bill Murray who will do anything for laughs.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 1:53:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too late to the party as Bill has stolen the limelight again. But this one should have been much easier. Japanese aircraft carriers did not have that kind of decking with the metal seams running every ten feet or so. That can only be a US carrier.

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RE: Which class of carrier? - 1/22/2015 4:38:33 PM   
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Japanese aircraft carriers did not have that kind of decking with the metal seams running every ten feet or so. That can only be a US carrier.


Cool, I saw that as well, but I was not certain.

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