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LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/18/2015 1:31:52 AM

jtoatoktoe

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More traditional.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/01/15/lcs-navy-frigate/21801559/

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/18/2015 5:08:34 AM

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Сorvette I think a better term
US navy have high expectations for this ship.
Maybe too high

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/18/2015 12:22:09 PM

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The Navy has way too high expectations for the LCS. The Commander Salamander blog has been arguing the inadequacies of the concept, design and execution of the LCS for a decade now.
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/search/label/LCS

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�orvette I think a better term US navy have high expectations for this ship. Maybe too high

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/18/2015 2:02:28 PM

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Well,disease of LCS is not limited to the United States

as example Zelenodolsk Design Bureau currently trying to sell to Russian Navy so-called "Rusich" proposal

based on civilian ship :
VESSEL OF MARINE BIORESOURCES MONITORING "RUSICH-2.2"
http://www.zpkb.com/en/projects/innovation_projects/constr/sudno_monitoringa_morskih_bioresursov_rusich22/ in english

patent for ship schematics:
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/249/2492098.html# in russian

From site of JSC Zelenodolsk Design Bureau citation:

"February, 26 2014 �Zelenodolsk Design Bureau� JSC participated in
meeting led by Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of The Russian Navy.
Within a framework of the meeting new projects of the ships (vessels)
for the Russian Navy were presented."
http://www.zpkb.com/en/en_about/en_news/_2032/ in english

larger picture of "Rusich" proposal:

So it something like:
A-192 130-mm gun
16 UKSK cells
16 Redut cells
2x4 Paket-NK torpedoes
2 "Duet "
4 PK-10

Furke radar
Mini-Poliment radar(from 20385)
"Zarya-2" Hull Sonar, "Vinietka" VDS
"Puma" 5P-10 artillery radar
two helicopters Ka-27 in underdeck hangar

35 knots
and all this in 1500 tons ship

currently Russian Navy doubts about the seaworthiness of this project

so they give money only for :
"Design, construction and full-scale testing of high-speed self-propelled model of vessel with outriggers, trimaran type" Identifier "SAR ZPKB"
https://zakupki.kontur.ru/31401080127 contract in russian

something like that:
http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=413461&download=2&type=.jpg

If Zelenodolsk win we will see this "Russian LCS" in the metal,something around 2020 I think

So, as I say disease are spreads

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/18/2015 4:21:29 PM

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^ At least that's armed for more than self-defense.

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/18/2015 11:10:56 PM

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LCS's problem is that it costs way to much for way to little capability. The USN badly needs a small, cheap patrol ship to perform missions you don't need a full DDG/CG for. If it was 1/3 the price and had bolted on mission packages for ASW and MCM, it would be perfect.

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/19/2015 3:49:52 PM

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Probably got tired of hearing it referred to as the "Little Crappy Ship"

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Seriously though after reading that article I think I like that Mabus guy.

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/22/2015 10:54:56 AM

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SNAFU

DoD should scrap this whole LCS disaster and order some capable corvettes, like Braunshweig-class or visby.

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/22/2015 12:31:22 PM

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Agreed!

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SNAFU

DoD should scrap this whole LCS disaster and order some capable corvettes, like Braunshweig-class or visby.

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/22/2015 1:31:39 PM

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Absalom-class would give lot more capability than LCS (apart from speed).

I agree with USN designating LCS as FF. FF = F**king Failure...

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/22/2015 3:49:54 PM

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Absalom-class would give lot more capability than LCS (apart from speed).

I agree with USN designating LCS as FF. FF = F**king Failure...

I'm a big fan of the Absalom ships. Great multipurpose ships. Bigger crew than LCS but in combat & DC you want more bodies. Offers significantly more capability, too.

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RE: LCS Redesignated as FF - 1/22/2015 3:59:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hellfish6

^ At least that's armed for more than self-defense.

Yup yup.....

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LCS epic FAIL - 1/23/2015 7:17:02 PM

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this reminds me of the article that pointed me to CMANO:

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/how-i-lost-the-battle-of-the-south-china-sea-c47b367a1de2

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RE: LCS epic FAIL - 1/25/2015 2:56:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DirtyFred

this reminds me of the article that pointed me to CMANO:

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/how-i-lost-the-battle-of-the-south-china-sea-c47b367a1de2

You know I really hated that article once I got Command. I think that's when I realized that Medium.com is Gawker in a skin suit, and that David Axe maybe, JUST MAYBE, may not be a reputable journalist.

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RE: LCS epic FAIL - 1/25/2015 12:31:46 PM

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I toured Freedom some years ago and it's clearly designed to carry stuff. I think utility van when I see it. I think most of the negative stuff has to do with how it was marketed from its name to the scope of its missions along with some legitimate gripes and some self serving gripes on the program itself. If you use it as a forward scout with unmanned vehicles in game you'll see its value.

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RE: LCS epic FAIL - 1/25/2015 10:23:57 PM

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After playing with the two LCS class in the game and finding good uses for them I have to ask why it seems like the US Navy no PR at all it like here it a new class of warships
And hope for the best

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RE: LCS epic FAIL - 1/28/2015 12:17:01 AM

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I have worked on the LCS ships as a contractor, (Generators) I never got the impression I was on a warship, it just seemed to be a mobile helo pad. I never reviewed the mission modules though so maybe that was why I was underwhelmed by the size power ratio of these ships,which seems a huge step backwards even from the 40 year old perry design.

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