Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: LiquidSky



Let me give you a little secret on how to avoid losing troops sailing in the med.

Don't move 100 hexes at once.

Take little hops. You don't have to move one hex at a time. That's just asking for carpal tunnel.

The game engines adds up all the modifiers for every hex you travel through..then checks to see if you lose any ships. So it will check for every hop, but if the hop is short enough, the percentage chance (probably) rounds down to zero. Moving 4 hexes a time in clear weather over water you own will reduce the check to 0.4%...probably zero.

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ORIGINAL: LiquidSky

From what I can figure, the axis and the allies have roughly the same number of (real) combat units available to use. Italy is about 14-15 hexes wide, so try to minimize what you put against him, and move the rest out for invasion.

Don't be afraid to build your own fortification units. Fill them with useless su's like AA to give them a bit of combat power....magnified in the mountain terrain. If he has more Germans guarding the line then you, then you have won the Italian Theatre. If you have more units them him, then he has won.

You can play games with this if you like...just pull back a couple hexes from the front and make him think you are invading somewhere else. Build up refit etc. Then launch a feint raid on Northern France (although that cheeses the garrison rule).

Then hit hard in Italy. Or you can actually launch an invasion somewhere for real using the 25-30 divs you have scrounged.

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ORIGINAL: meklore61

Is this a '44 invasion? The further you land away from Berlin, the further you have to travel. To include not only having to fight, but also keep supplies in units.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: LiquidSky



Let me give you a little secret on how to avoid losing troops sailing in the med.

Don't move 100 hexes at once.

Take little hops. You don't have to move one hex at a time. That's just asking for carpal tunnel.

The game engines adds up all the modifiers for every hex you travel through..then checks to see if you lose any ships. So it will check for every hop, but if the hop is short enough, the percentage chance (probably) rounds down to zero. Moving 4 hexes a time in clear weather over water you own will reduce the check to 0.4%...probably zero.

Wow..thats just...

Thanks for sharing the secret though! I guess I will be moving everything in 4 hex steps from now on!

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ORIGINAL: meklore61

No matter where your land your going to have casualties. If you don't attack him, surely he will you, and he will get enough vp's attacking one turn heavily, than you could gain from strat. bombing in several turns. You need to take as many cities as soon as possible, and since you don't have the EF box on, you won't lose 100vps a turn, because you didn't take Berlin on time so you could sit and not take that many casualties.

I would be bored doing that personally, and although it is frustrating getting to there, the end in this case justifies the means to me.

If and when you invade, your going to need your heavy bombers for the invasion and beyond, 1st if you plan on staying on the continent, and 2nd if your going to break out. Put about 10 hexes of railway interdiction around your invasion beaches (more if you can, but not to much. Dilutes the effect the larger it is.), use fighter command (2 AS AD), 2nd Tac, and 9th AF to set up AS between your beaches and where his planes are (they will intercept him as he travels potentially turning back some groups)coming from (flying thru 4 separate AS boxes hurts if you put them on the routes to the beaches and overlap the beaches). 2nd Tac to strike ground units, and a little ground interdiction (you want heavy disruption on units around the beaches, ground interdiction at this point is not so important as he won't make any concerted attacks with reserves. 9th should do the same as the 2nd, but on the opposite side of 2nd Tac so that their strike areas overlap. Don't make your strike areas too large either. 4-5 hexes in the right places is enough. Coastal should be doing as much naval patrol over your beaches and a few hexes out to sea, put your bombers in bomber command who can carry mines on a naval AD, and the B26's on naval patrol from 8th AF. Stagger those naval areas so that they go all the way back to cover the waters around England too. Don't be scared to pull air groups from the med. or units.

On your second turn you will want more ground interdiction from your tactical air, and you can shut the rails down with 8th AF and Bomber Command for up to 10+ hexes from the beaches if you place your strike areas right. Hard to move supplies, replacements, or units thru a hex that's capped at 30k, especially if it's at a junction, or even just trying to move thru several hexes that are 20k or 25k axis rail usage can slow his response enough for you to get on and stay on.

Let the 15th AF strike strategic targets in Germany while your invasion needs the heavy bombers in England. You will need those bombers if you want to get on and break out eventually. That's my best advice, and this is what I do when I invade (not all inclusive).

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ORIGINAL: Nico165

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: LiquidSky



Let me give you a little secret on how to avoid losing troops sailing in the med.

Don't move 100 hexes at once.

Take little hops. You don't have to move one hex at a time. That's just asking for carpal tunnel.

The game engines adds up all the modifiers for every hex you travel through..then checks to see if you lose any ships. So it will check for every hop, but if the hop is short enough, the percentage chance (probably) rounds down to zero. Moving 4 hexes a time in clear weather over water you own will reduce the check to 0.4%...probably zero.

Wow..thats just...

Thanks for sharing the secret though! I guess I will be moving everything in 4 hex steps from now on!

My understanding was : losses probability from 1 big 100 hex hop = losses probability from 25 small 4 hex hop

If it is : losses probability from 1 big 100 hex hop > losses probability from 25 small 4 hex hop -> it really is a bad mechanic... Forcing you to click 10 times more just to avoid losses. Doesn't make sense.

This could only happen if rounding happens like you describe. If the game keeps the exact number to calculate the losses, then there's no problem.

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Joc, I noticed you have the 8th AF bombing aircraft factories. I wouldn't bother doing this. You don't get any VPs for it, and the Germans do not have an aircraft production problem. As Germany, you end up in 1944 with way more planes than pilots. You have the right idea with your P-47, the way to bleed the LW is to kill experienced pilots. The Luftwaffe will not run out of FBs.

Otherwise, nice damage results with your bombers, well done

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Joc, I noticed you have the 8th AF bombing aircraft factories. I wouldn't bother doing this. You don't get any VPs for it, and the Germans do not have an aircraft production problem. As Germany, you end up in 1944 with way more planes than pilots. You have the right idea with your P-47, the way to bleed the LW is to kill experienced pilots. The Luftwaffe will not run out of FBs.

Otherwise, nice damage results with your bombers, well done

Doh! Thanks for the heads up. Didn´t know you didn´t get VPs for AC factories...

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ORIGINAL: LiquidSky

VP's are not about winning the war, its about winning the game.

The negative vps for extra garrisons is to award the German player for holding back the allies with fewer units.