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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/2/2015 8:07:39 PM

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Saith Mayhemizer, reflecting upon the setbacks (*) in Poland and Rumania:

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What should I do now:
Something more crazy and more stupid, so no one will remember this turn!

(*) By setbacks, I mean potential disasters in the making once 1941 rolls around.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/2/2015 8:16:47 PM

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No resource lending on the Axis side.

Initiative Axis 9, Allied 2.

The Axis elect to go first and it's over to our weather reporter.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/2/2015 9:07:55 PM

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N/D 1939 Axis 1

No DoW

Germany aligns Rumania. The US pay no attention (4 rolled).

Germany Naval, Italy combined, Japan Land.

No port attacks.

The German float plane flies to the North Sea 3-box. An Hs-123 flies to the Baltic 0-box.

U-boats deploy to the North Sea and North Atlantic. Cruisers deploy to the 0, 3 and 4 boxes of the Baltic, along with 3 CP's.

The Italians send a Trans to the Red Sea to pick up an Inf from Eritrea.

Germany has choice of two sea areas for combat.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/2/2015 9:40:11 PM

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Konigsberg initiates searching in the Baltic but nobody can find each other (Axis 5 and Allied 8).

Allied escorts catch the U-boat loitering on the surface (Axis 4, Allies 2) and succeed in damaging her (2 surprise to increase damage from A to D). The U-boat decides to fight on but the escorts are sharp and attack before the CP's can be reached (searches Axis 2, Allies 1). A volley of depth charges sends the boat to the bottom (2 surprise points increase A to D). So ends the opening chapter of the Battle of the Atlantic.

The Japanese rail the Bangkok Militia to Singora.

The Italians shuffle a couple of units on the French border.

The Japs bring a couple of units and an HQ from Manchuria to North China.

No air-rebases or HQ re-orgs and that wraps up an uneventful impulse.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 5:35:24 AM

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I have always been lucky in naval combats :) It seems I suck in diplomacy. US seems to ignore pretty much everything Axis do in Europe. Wake up US, Germany is the evil, not USSR.

I was a bit worried about Netherlands. Luckily weather was bad enough. Now I need to empty North Sea from Kriegsmarine ships to prevent Netherlands being conquered in one impulse...

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 3:59:29 PM

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Thoughts...

I had an ENG loss in Poland in my current game and did not realize its importance. Now I have three factories in France I cannot repair and a bunch of major ports that are damaged until the ENG is replaced.

In this AAR, the Germans look set up for an extremely nasty assault on the USSR. They can align Bulgaria, take greece and then align Yugoslavia and its HQ (I think). With all of Poland, and by taking a good chunk of the baltic countries in the first impulse, Germany should be able to really hurt the USSR in M/J 1941. There's also the chance of a 42 assault via persia, which would be the worst possible outcome for the USSR.

If I were the USSR, I would either be looking very closely at Persia, or I would be making sure the Commonwealth kept an iron grip on the eastern Med with an above average commitment of naval power. None shall pass even if it means significant RN losses. Given the terrible state of US entry, maybe the latter is the best option.

I would also drive very hard to get resources to the USSR. They must be able to maximize builds immediately. China setup looks thoughtful and conservative, which is good, so perhaps layoff US entry pressure on that front.

The Commonwealth needs to watch out for a med strategy involving taking spain, gib, and fighting from the two box in the east med with 4+ range German fighters and italian navs. As noted above, the Germans must not be able to pull of a persian attack. Preventing this involves the usual commitment to france, gladiator equipped carriers in the med, long range fighters in the eastern Med supported by land troops. Meeting these objectives requires conservative builds: convoys, land units, fighters (twin engined) and CVP. No fancy stuff like new carriers from scratch. If the germans do try for Gib, the CW must be prepared to support in strength, and consider declaring war on Italy (if they are not already involved). The main target of attacks on Italy would be her transports: no transports, no persian problem.

Overall, if I were the Axis, I would be looking at a 41 assault on the USSR involving the Japanese, even if it meant going light on China. The USSR is down, now is the time to kick it.

If I were the allies, prevent the east med from going axis, and be aggressive against Italy. No matter what the US entry implications, Italy cannot be allowed a free hand in the med. Otherwise, get resources to the USSR asap, support China when the possibility arises, even at the expense of the USA's builds. The German start was great, nearly perfect. The allies can't play a long game.

anyhow, that's my thoughts.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 4:29:03 PM

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Thanks for your thoughts CanInf.

My plan at the moment I said to do something more stupid and more crazy was to declare war on Italy by CW, France and USSR. After that US would not declare to Germany.

USSR would be able to build all MIL before Barbarossa making declaring war and advancing more difficult. And hopefully both Italian transporters would lie in the bottom of the sea.

However, two different players said that if US is not coming to help Allies it would be 100% win for Axis.

So I promised to give up that plan. (Sorry composer99 I didn's ask from you. You would have said "DO IT"!)

Now people can try to convince me that it is actually a good idea :) Better start with "I once had a game like that and Allied won in Europe without US help, easily"...

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 5:13:53 PM

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My personal belief is that the USSR should not be allowed to declare war on Italy at all. It is a gimmick. But I think having the CW declare war on Italy is a good idea. You may want to wait and see if Italy declares war on France.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 5:47:21 PM

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Maybe the Allies should avoid being aggressive now so that they US entry can recover?

Remember that German production suffered greatly so if France can cause some damage on the German forces then a early attack on USSR by Germany will be weak.

I think that the Western Allies should focus on keeping France alive and causing losses for Germany. Maybe a strat bombing campaign? And prepare to give aid and lend lease to USSR early and a lot of it when possible.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 7:09:23 PM

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1939 N/D Allied impulse #3

No DoW.

CW and France naval, China Land, USSR and US combined.

CW flies NAV to North Sea box 2.

CW spreads fleets to all seas. Large fleets to North sea, Easter and Western Mediterranean Sea. France also sends fleet to Western Mediterranean Sea. US takes HQ away from Philippines.

CW sends Queen Elizabeth to South Africa and territorial is loaded on-board. France sends transporter to take Dakar militia for better use.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 7:43:58 PM

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Hi CanInf & Orm,

Thank you for your interest and comments. The board is deliciously full of potential and opportunity at the moment. Oh for a few more resources and higher action limits.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 7:51:17 PM

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CW tries to sink Kriegsmarine ships in North Sea. Weather is bad in and there is no combat (Allied 9, Axis 10)

France bombs Vienna with no results (roll 4)

USSR rails field artillery west from Siberia.

Communist Chinese send militia close to Taiyuan. Nationalist Chinese moves little closer to Japanese in Central China.

CW re-bases Harrow to Denmark. USSR re-bases 4 bombers close to Leningrad. France reorganizes bomber.

Western front after Allied impulse 3.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 8:21:24 PM

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N/D 1939 Axis 5

It looks like it's going to be a long cold winter.

No DoW

Germany aligns Bulgaria.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 9:05:14 PM

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The US barely raised an eyebrow over Bulgaria's alignment (4).

All 3 Axis go for Combined.

The Italians move X Inf from the Red Sea to Bardia.

German Amph and Trans relocate from Konigsberg to Kiel using the cover of the Blizzards. The French interception attempt in the Baltic fails (5 rolled).

A Jap Trans sails to the China Sea and loads an Art and Eng.

Two areas are available for naval combat.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 9:16:55 PM

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The Germans decline the North Sea.

The CL Emden initiates combat in the Baltic but neither side can locate the other (Axis 9, Allies 3).

Konigsberg Militia rail to Aarhus in Denmark.

The Japanese stiffen up North China

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 9:24:31 PM

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A couple of German units move into Denmark. 2 HQ's and an Inf begin the move west.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 9:32:58 PM

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The Italians complete their adjustment of forces on the French border.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/3/2015 9:39:58 PM

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The Luftwaffe rebases west.

No re-orgs and the Phoney War continues.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 7:37:08 PM

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N/D 1939 Allied 8

No DoW.

CW, France, USSR combined, China land and US pass.

NAVAL
France: 2 old battle ships sails to Eastern Mediterranean Sea and pick up 2 INF div from Syria. Forgot to do that last impulse with cruisers.

CW sends CP and Trans with HQ Gort to North Sea. Kriegsmarine tries to stop Gort, but with roll 9 Royal Marine takes Gort to France. CW shows they will stand next to France against powerful enemy. When Gort lands to France, he asks why Maginot Line was not built all the to the coast of Atlantic. If Germany flanked your line last time, you think they will not do that again? Maybe Corporal respects neutral countries, buahhahaa :)

Next another Trans with MOT 6-5 sails to North Sea, Germany rolls 10. Trans stays at North Sea in box 2 with fleet.

NAVAL COMBAT
Baltic Sea: Allied 1, Axis 3. Both sides are successful. No surprice points to use. Axis suffers 2D 3A (2 damaged + aborted and 1 aborted) and Allied suffers 2D 3A (1 damaged + aborted and 2 aborted). Yes, I'm an idiot. Plan was to take 2D to one ship to sink it but I forgot that during the battle... New seacrh rolls: Allied 4, Axis 3. Only Axis are successful with 2 surprise points. One aborted from Allied (result 2A, first roll 10). New search rolls Allied 5, Axis 6 and the fight is over. All 4 aborted Allied cruisers are destroyed as they were not able to flee from Baltic Sea.

This is the first time in my games when Allied are raiding Baltic Sea. I support house rule "No Baltic Sea raids during 1939".

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 8:07:05 PM

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No naval combat in North Sea when both sides roll 4.

China rails MIL to Wuhan. CW rails MIL to Plymouth. USSR rails CAV from Odessa to Murmansk.

Communist Chinese takes empty cities of Taiyuan from Japanese and Chengchow from Nationalist Chinese. Vladivostok is left empty when INF moves to Manchurian border. CW takes hex control in Denmark next to Frederikshavn and units returns Frederikshavn. France is setting line on Belgian border. CW debarks 6-5 MOT to France with Gort.

CW rebases NAV to Plymouth. USSR rebases 2 fighters from Rumanian border to north.

Gort reorganizes Trans in Calais.

With roll 10 turn continues. Weather roll 5. Weather report attached for impulse 11.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 8:11:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

This is the first time in my games when Allied are raiding Baltic Sea. I support house rule "No Baltic Sea raids during 1939".

Oh, now you support the house rule!

Seriously though, playing as the Axis, I'm not sure if it needs rules. Sure, the tactic is based upon knowing the French are likely to fall. However, there is a pretty straight forward counter, outlined by Warspite1. Don't start with the CP's at sea. Wait until after the surprise impulse is over (and possibly Copenhagen already taken) before deploying the CP's. I chose not to and I paid the consequence. With the Nav flying and different search rolls, it could have ended up differently.

The other thing is that it's 6 less cruisers to impale themselves and wear down the Italian navy without touching the RN. That looks pretty good from where I am sitting at the moment.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 8:22:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

This is the first time in my games when Allied are raiding Baltic Sea. I support house rule "No Baltic Sea raids during 1939".

Oh, now you support the house rule!

Seriously though, playing as the Axis, I'm not sure if it needs rules. Sure, the tactic is based upon knowing the French are likely to fall. However, there is a pretty straight forward counter, outlined by Warspite1. Don't start with the CP's at sea. Wait until after the surprise impulse is over (and possibly Copenhagen already taken) before deploying the CP's. I chose not to and I paid the consequence. With the Nav flying and different search rolls, it could have ended up differently.

The other thing is that it's 6 less cruisers to impale themselves and wear down the Italian navy without touching the RN. That looks pretty good from where I am sitting at the moment.

:)

I have read about raiding Baltic Sea and I wanted to test it. After reading warspite1's and Orm's house rules they started to make sense.

1) 50% of all minor country land units must be placed in the home country (minimum 1) with the exceptions of Netherlands and Portugal if the attacking nation is Japan.
2) No raids in the Baltic Sea during '39 after that there are no restrictions on raiding the Baltic Sea.
3) CW may only fly one air mission against Germany on the surprise.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 8:29:17 PM

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I fear for Netherlands. I was hoping for rain so Germany couldn't cross frozen lake. Also double turn worries me...

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 8:39:22 PM

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N/D 1939 Axis 11

No DoW

Germany, Italy Combined; Japan Land.

No port attacks.

A Me-110 and Do-17 fly to the North Sea 2-box.

The Libya Mech loads onto a Trans and sails, appropriately, to Libya.

Two areas for naval combat.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 9:13:16 PM

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In the North Sea, Gneisenau initiates combat.

Hurricanes from Dover scramble and rendezvous with Swordfish from Plymouth in the 0-box. The Harrows fly to the 2-box from Denmark.

It comes to naught with searches of 7 and 8.

In the Baltic rolls of 4 and 5 draw a similar blank.

Taking advantage of the Hurricanes being over the North Sea, Ju-88's pop over to London to deliver an egg to Winston. On a 9, 1 BP loss.

The Japanese Garr at Port Arthur rails to Kirin, Manchuria.

Northern China post Japanese moves

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/4/2015 9:30:26 PM

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The Germans move more units west.

The Libya Mech moves towards the Egyptian border.

The Japs disembark artillery at Tsingtao and an Eng at Shanghai.

The Germans complete the air-rebases west.

The Italians send a Nav to Egypt and a Ftr to Scilly.

On an 8, the turn continues

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/5/2015 11:39:17 AM

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In Paris leaders of CW and France are having a meeting. They are talking about current situation in Europe. Everyone are surprised that Germany has not attacked any other countries, maybe this does crow to a global conflict. They decide that if Germany attacks anyone anymore or won't make peace with CW and France, leaders will convince US that Germany is the evil that must stop.

Meanwhile Joe in Moscow in thinking how to stop likely coming German attack. He decides to use foreign policy (Edit: in east, Japanese forces are closing Communist Chinese units) as an excuse to call reserves and prepare for war. USSR DECLARES WAR ON JAPAN! With roll 2 US loses 2 entry chits and both entry pools are empty. USSR calls out reserves setting most of them to Siberia.

Other Allied leaders are not happy. USSR player is out of control...

USSR, CW and France combined, China land, US pass.

NAVAL
USSR sends 2 submarines from Vladivostok to China Sea.
CW sends CV and 5 BB's from Gibraltar to Easter Mediterranean Sea. CW tries to break out with Trans from Calais. Axis roll 10 but Trans stays at North Sea in box 2 after loading London MIL on board.

Naval combats are possible in three sea areas.

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/5/2015 11:48:10 AM

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China Sea search rolls: Allied 7 and Axis 4, no naval combat.
Baltic Sea search rolls (I did not fly Axis naval air support because there was no Allied planes, can be redone if you want otherwise): Allied 8 and Axis 8, no naval combat.

CW did not send any more planes to North Sea. Does Germany want to fly more planes to North Sea? And does submarine take part of the fun or stay in the bottom of the sea listening the echo of battle?

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RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/5/2015 2:23:27 PM

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quote:

Meanwhile Joe in Moscow in thinking how to stop likely coming German attack. He decides to use foreign policy as an excuse to call reserves and prepare for war. USSR DECLARES WAR ON JAPAN! With roll 2 US loses 2 entry chits and both entry pools are empty. USSR calls out reserves setting most of them to Siberia.

I so enjoy watching the heavyweights slug it out. And I have a perfect ringside seat.