Slitherine

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WOOOHOOO! Supply system is back

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

It's a combination of the effect of weather and supply. Considering that in TOAW '0' supply doesn't actually prevent the player from doing anything, and mud doesn't stop movement, I didn't think it was an unreasonable thing to do. This scenario does not restrict the Axis player in any other way [no cease fires, no restrictive shock penalties].

Also, on purpose, I didn't outline the specifics in the briefing. I know its annoying, we are playing turn after turn and trying to make plans but don't know what is going to happen. The only mention in the briefing is what I posted in post #81, because I don't think the Germans knew exactly was going to happen either.

Another influence was the Barbarossa '41 scenario, which we are using as a model to expand the scenario. In that one, the designer used low supply, so that is what we are doing here. The flaw in Barbarossa '41 was that Axis supply started too low in the first place, which restricted the Axis player unfairly.

The current result is, the Axis player doesn't have to worry about supplies until October when the system collapses, German stocks run out, and the mud kicks in. Supply picks up a little in March when the trains can start running again [remember, it isn't just rail repair that is needed, the rolling stock was limited and German locomotives could not run in the Russian winter]. Supply is restored to a reasonable level in April/May when historically everything finally caught up to the front. [Blau was held up a few weeks until the situation was restored enough to support the offensive].

So, I hope, it ain't all that bad. Especially with the hindsight we all have.

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It's all good..

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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It's all good..

Good.

Somehow, it looks like you are playing with v1.2, which is outdated in two areas [lack of airfields in the east, harsh partisans in June 1944]. No reason to restart [unless you want to], but wanted to let you know.

Did the Finns come out of Garrison Mode?

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The Fins near Leningrad have not yet.

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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The Fins near Leningrad have not yet.

Ok, I thought I saw that in an earlier screenshot. I'll look into that, thanks

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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The Fins near Leningrad have not yet.

Ok, I thought I saw that in an earlier screenshot. I'll look into that, thanks

I took Leningrad on turn 11, and they have been in re-org since.

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if you took Leningrad then shouldn't the Finns be released from their garrison mode?

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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if you took Leningrad then shouldn't the Finns be released from their garrison mode?

Yes they should, so I suspect there was an error in v1.2 that slipped past me. I don't expect this to happen with v1.5, but let me know if it does.

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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if you took Leningrad then shouldn't the Finns be released from their garrison mode?

Yes they should, so I suspect there was an error in v1.2 that slipped past me. I don't expect this to happen with v1.5,
but let me know if it does.

Speaking of the Finns, didn't they have some Air force units? I don't see any of those represented, unless you are
covering with German numbers.

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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if you took Leningrad then shouldn't the Finns be released from their garrison mode?

Yes they should, so I suspect there was an error in v1.2 that slipped past me. I don't expect this to happen with v1.5,
but let me know if it does.

Speaking of the Finns, didn't they have some Air force units? I don't see any of those represented, unless you are
covering with German numbers.

I distinctly remember Steve and I having a series of emails back and forth discussing the Finns and after all the pros and
cons were digested we excreted this product: (1) the Finns and Finland should play a secondary role if they are included
at all and (2) B '41 had some Finns but they weren't game changers at all. Most of the time. So it just stood to
reason that we limited the Finn to a low integer and put 'em in some kind of garrison mode so that no game time need be
expended in deciding anything about them. I've been tempted to find some way to disband them but I can't seem to get
the Soviets to attack one of them.

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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if you took Leningrad then shouldn't the Finns be released from their garrison mode?

Yes they should, so I suspect there was an error in v1.2 that slipped past me. I don't expect this to happen with v1.5,
but let me know if it does.

Speaking of the Finns, didn't they have some Air force units? I don't see any of those represented, unless you are
covering with German numbers.

I distinctly remember Steve and I having a series of emails back and forth discussing the Finns and after all the pros and
cons were digested we excreted this product: (1) the Finns and Finland should play a secondary role if they are included
at all and (2) B '41 had some Finns but they weren't game changers at all. Most of the time. So it just stood to
reason that we limited the Finn to a low integer and put 'em in some kind of garrison mode so that no game time need be
expended in deciding anything about them. I've been tempted to find some way to disband them but I can't seem to get
the Soviets to attack one of them.

In my game, the soviets keep bombing a double stack of Finns and taking a beating...

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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if you took Leningrad then shouldn't the Finns be released from their garrison mode?

Yes they should, so I suspect there was an error in v1.2 that slipped past me. I don't expect this to happen with v1.5,
but let me know if it does.

Speaking of the Finns, didn't they have some Air force units? I don't see any of those represented, unless you are
covering with German numbers.

I distinctly remember Steve and I having a series of emails back and forth discussing the Finns and after all the pros and
cons were digested we excreted this product: (1) the Finns and Finland should play a secondary role if they are included
at all and (2) B '41 had some Finns but they weren't game changers at all. Most of the time. So it just stood to
reason that we limited the Finn to a low integer and put 'em in some kind of garrison mode so that no game time need be
expended in deciding anything about them. I've been tempted to find some way to disband them but I can't seem to get
the Soviets to attack one of them.

In my game, the soviets keep bombing a double stack of Finns and taking a beating...

Well........if they are being attacked and they STILL can't move then yeah, it's probably reorg they are in. Maybe. I'm
guessing. Either way they should have been released by now. I hope we find a fix for this.

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Yellow = Garrison, Red or Yellow = Reorg.

The Finns nearest Leningrad are in Garrison until Leningrad is captured. At that point the Exclusion Zone is also dropped [it looks like that happened]. If somebody wanted to investigate, they could look at Event #99 in v1.2 to see what the problem is.

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

How about a screenshot to clarify?

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

If Elmer is constantly bombing your units, there is usually something you can do about it.

If Elmer is using planes, he is most likely bombing your units on a river. First try putting an AA unit in the location, this usually causes Elmer to change his mind about bombing. If that doesn't work, move off the river to a non river hex.

If Elmer is using artillery to harass you, move one of your artillery units into the hex. Sometimes it takes two artillery units in the hex before Elmer is deterred.

In both cases, there are no guarantees, sometimes the player has to give up the hex if it is more important to stop the harassment.

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Yellow = Garrison, Red or Yellow = Reorg.

The Finns nearest Leningrad are in Garrison until Leningrad is captured. At that point the Exclusion Zone is also dropped [it looks like that happened]. If somebody wanted to investigate, they could look at Event #99 in v1.2 to see what the problem is.

I would do it myself but I've overwritten v.1.2 with the latest version. D'oh. I've got to learn to put the version # in the scenario title.

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Yellow = Garrison, Red or Yellow = Reorg.

The Finns nearest Leningrad are in Garrison until Leningrad is captured. At that point the Exclusion Zone is also dropped [it looks like that happened]. If somebody wanted to investigate, they could look at Event #99 in v1.2 to see what the problem is.

I would do it myself but I've overwritten v.1.2 with the latest version. D'oh. I've got to learn to put the version # in the scenario title.

I overwrite everything too [it gets confusing]. The version # is in the scenario briefing [I don't think that is what you are talking about]. I don't put version numbers in scenario names because of having to change Graphics Files to go along with each one [I think that is what you are talking about].

Either way I don't feel its an issue, its no biggy not having control of four Finn divisions for a playtest. If the same thing happens in v1.5 or later, then we have an issue. I've triple checked the events and I am confident as I can be that it was a glitch in v1.2, only.

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ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

If Elmer is constantly bombing your units, there is usually something you can do about it.

If Elmer is using planes, he is most likely bombing your units on a river. First try putting an AA unit in the location, this usually causes Elmer to change his mind about bombing. If that doesn't work, move off the river to a non river hex.

If Elmer is using artillery to harass you, move one of your artillery units into the hex. Sometimes it takes two artillery units in the hex before Elmer is deterred.

In both cases, there are no guarantees, sometimes the player has to give up the hex if it is more important to stop the harassment.

No, it's quit alright, the 2 Finn divisions have AA and are fighting back, along with my fighter's on AS status in the area. Elmer lost 200-250 aircraft during one attack on these two divisions and no losses to my troops.. And the two divisions are on a bridge.