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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 2/23/2015 4:49:42 PM   
Sangeli


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Status: offline 		Too bad you didn't have torpedo bombers for that attack or at least one of those BBs would probably be sunk! Honestly I don't really bother using the Vengence DB at all given its awful range and sub-par armament. Where are the British torpedo bombers that you start with? You should already have a couple of them in India. In my experience I have always been able to sink some major Japanese warships with those "obsolete" torpedo bombers when I catch the Japanese not being careful.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 2/23/2015 6:31:27 PM   
Mundy


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Status: offline 		If I recall, unit withdrawals have pretty much taken care of the early torpedo bombers.

Where I caught them, I think would have been out of biplane torpedo range anyway.  A good 1,000 lb. AP would have done wonders.

I'll have my new Beauforts up and running in the south in a week or so.  They're coming from Aden on an AKV, so they'll be ready to go.

He may start LRCAPping them after this -- I would.

The USA 41st Division just unloaded at Karachi, so I have more muscle for my central attack.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 2/24/2015 9:52:30 PM   
Mundy


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I started my attacks on Raipur. I went at night to feel this out. A good night overall, with lots of dead Tojos.

quote:

Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 3

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Raipur , at 45,31

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb


And this is even with all the strays that didn't make it. He's been hitting my guys south of Jubbulpore accumulating damage. I'm about to cut loose the guys at Nagpur. Tomorrow, I'm moving two B-17 squadrons to daytime strike. The two P-38F squadrons and one P-40K squadron at Nagpur will sweep Raipur. Hopefully, I'll bleed the pool a bit.

There's been activity near Baker Is. At least part of KB has been lurking. The previous day, some BBs were spotted at Tabiteuea. The guys at Canton are up to strike if they come near. Everyone's up to strength there.




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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 2/24/2015 9:53:03 PM   
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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 2/26/2015 9:24:59 PM   
Mundy


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My Indian left hook meets armor he had in the way.

quote:

Ground combat at 48,30 (near Raipur)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31354 troops, 563 guns, 636 vehicles, Assault Value = 1193

Defending force 9090 troops, 129 guns, 630 vehicles, Assault Value = 430

Allied adjusted assault: 490

Japanese adjusted defense: 871

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
225 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 30 (4 destroyed, 26 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1041 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 139 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 37 (2 destroyed, 35 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (4 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
73rd Motorized Brigade
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
268th Motorized Brigade
111th LRP Brigade
IV Indian Corps
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade


I'll rest a day or two and give it another go. I'll review the leadership beforehand, too.

All the bombers I had to support this didn't fly. The main force from Nagpur is enroute from the other side.

CF has at least three subs in the Karachi area. My MLs have been on them like Iranians on a plywood carrier. No real hits yet.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 2/28/2015 3:53:24 PM   
Mundy


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This was a bit distressing, not counting the crap torpedoes. KB's enough of a problem without new CVs appearing.

quote:

Sub attack near Truk at 112,109

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
DD Hatsuharu
DD Minegumo
DD Umikaze
DD Yudachi

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon

SS Seadragon launches 4 torpedoes at CV Hiyo
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yudachi fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


This took me by surprise too. I only had a partial CAP up. I'll leave the TF here another turn with all the fighters up to see of they try again. Otherwise, they're back to the states.

quote:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Suva at 132,160

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 32

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Trenton, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Rangitata
xAP Henry S Grove, Torpedo hits 1
xAP Rangitiki
xAP Tjisadane, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
347th FG/67th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
8th FG/80th FS with P-39D Airacobra (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes


India's back and forth. My left flank got 1-1 odds yesterday, but not as good today. I guess they can't fight on consecutive days.

quote:

Ground combat at 48,30 (near Raipur)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30357 troops, 562 guns, 630 vehicles, Assault Value = 1034

Defending force 8390 troops, 128 guns, 624 vehicles, Assault Value = 327

Allied adjusted assault: 525

Japanese adjusted defense: 604

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
593 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 75 (11 destroyed, 64 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
490 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (10 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Division
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
27th Infantry Division
73rd Motorised Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
111th LRP Brigade
2/11th Field Regiment
IV Indian Corps
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade


This was yesterday:

quote:

Ground combat at 48,30 (near Raipur)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30457 troops, 561 guns, 635 vehicles, Assault Value = 1087

Defending force 8779 troops, 129 guns, 627 vehicles, Assault Value = 391

Allied adjusted assault: 925

Japanese adjusted defense: 475

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
342 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 51 (6 destroyed, 45 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
152 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 43 (7 destroyed, 36 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
73rd Motorised Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
3rd Marine Division
27th Infantry Division
111th LRP Brigade
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
IV Indian Corps
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade


CF's moved bombers to Raipur and are hitting my guys. I'm setting up a massive airfield raid from Delhi next turn. Maybe a sustained effort will shut it down for awhile. Fighters are getting light for me right now, but a Schweinfurt style raid can pretty much bust through the door. I have more B-24s inbound to help. I wish my USAAF bomber pools would fill up a bit.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 3:35:33 PM   
Mundy


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Status: offline 		My troops in the main thrust reach Raipur.

After my bombardment this coming turn, I'll be able to see is numbers there.  All I know is that at least 40,000 troops are present.  I doubt they're all support.

I'm slowly grinding his armor down to the east of there.  He has lots of fighters present now, so I'm having trouble bring in my own strikes.  I'm feeling I've underestimated his presence in the country.  If it turns into a slog, I'll start pulling everyone back out.  I'm confident that even If I can't advance, I can still protect what I have from him.  I'm pretty convinced at this point that he's happy with the status quo right now, keeping his lines at Raipur in the west and Benares in the north.  Supplies have been a serious issue for me, too.  HI doesn't seem to be able to support things enough.

My nearly full ZP squadron in San Francisco is being shipped to East US for eventual shipment to India.  I need extra help for ASW there near Karachi.  A 2nd blimp squadron has arrived and another is on the short list.  The first squadron got in some hits early in its patrols, so I have some confidence in them.  Pools are filling at like one a month.  Two breeds of PB4Y will start showing up pretty soon, which will help.  I'll probably detach one to India also.

In an effort to generate a "feel good" mission, I'm sending a bunch of AK/APs, plus three battleships and friends to Seattle.  I'm looking at a grab of Adak in the Aleutians.  I have troops in the states I can dedicate to this.  I may stage out of Dutch Harbor and use some troops there also.  So far, I have one USA regiment and two artillery units and follow-on base forces for this.  This whole war has been boxed in fairly tightly, so I'm looking for some area which will budge.  I doubt KB will head up north for this, but in the off chance they do, the Gilberts will be mine.  Per Ed doctrine, lots of TFs will be involved for bombardment, ASW and minesweeping accompanying the invasion itself.  That'll help dilute any air power which may be present.

My Northern OZ attack force is slowly making its way to Katherine.  Supplies seem to be fine.  I may not be able to maintain a base, but the troops themselves seem to have enough.  Hitting the "5" key shows dots extending up to there, so I may be able to support troops.  As far as Darwin goes, I can't say.

My updates have been spotty just because not a lot has happened from day to day.  Most of the air is happening in China -- a place I'd like to forget even exists right now.  We are trading occasional blows in India, but it's fairly light overall and limited to one or two locations.  That, and I feel like I'm talking to myself.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 3:47:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question about your possible Aleutian op: this late in the year are you worried about the weather? I guess it's supposed to be stormy in the Aleutians just about all the time, but I would suppose it's much worse during the winter. I'm just wondering if you have to make any adjustments or allowances for bad weather.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 4:28:28 PM   
Mundy


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Status: offline 		Yeah...

I'm not certain how that translates.  I know ships get beat up more.  I'm assuming troop losses will probably spike.

Either way, this isn't happening overnight, so I can probably wait 'til spring.  I'd like to get one of my imminently incoming recon Lightning squadrons in place there to count heads on his side.

Who knows... maybe I'll end up winning the war from the north. 

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 4:51:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
In an effort to generate a "feel good" mission, I'm sending a bunch of AK/APs, plus three battleships and friends to Seattle.  I'm looking at a grab of Adak in the Aleutians.  I have troops in the states I can dedicate to this.  I may stage out of Dutch Harbor and use some troops there also.  So far, I have one USA regiment and two artillery units and follow-on base forces for this.  This whole war has been boxed in fairly tightly, so I'm looking for some area which will budge.  I doubt KB will head up north for this, but in the off chance they do, the Gilberts will be mine.  Per Ed doctrine, lots of TFs will be involved for bombardment, ASW and minesweeping accompanying the invasion itself.  That'll help dilute any air power which may be present.

Well I think that staging troops well within range of enemy patrol planes is generally a bad idea. If you stage out of Dutch Harbor CF will see this. What does recon/intel say about what is present in Adak? Also, if you move on Adak you should really get bombers flying out of Unmak to support this so you can shut down the air base. If you can shut down the air base and devote a few CVEs to the operation then the KB will HAVE to show up to stop it. And as you say this could open up things in the Gilberts. Just be sure you have an OP ready to go at the same time.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
My Northern OZ attack force is slowly making its way to Katherine.  Supplies seem to be fine.  I may not be able to maintain a base, but the troops themselves seem to have enough.  Hitting the "5" key shows dots extending up to there, so I may be able to support troops.  As far as Darwin goes, I can't say.

Well it sounds like your troops haven't been spotted yet. The only way you're going to get this to work is to capture Katherine by surprise (or Daly Waters), turn it into a real base, fly in supply, and base fighters there. If you can't put fighters there Japanese will pulverize your column from the air with 2E bombers. And it is going to be a very very very long retreat to get out of harms way so if this goes badly. Which is why I believe this move needs to be in conjunction with a seaborne attack so the Japanese cannot concentrate exclusively on stopping the overland advance.

All in all, I think you need to think you need to worry less about being "boxed in" the Pacific do more to grind the Japanese in India. India is the best place for you to fight right now so I'm a bit confused why you are considering "pulling everyone back out" of there. India is still the lowest hanging fruit of all the strategic targets right now and its a great place to make the Japanese invest significant supply.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 7:39:00 PM   
Mundy


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Status: offline 		Well, he never took Daly Waters, which helps. I think Katherine is minimally held by a regiment or two. As I get near, I'll start an offensive with my B-17s at Normanton.

04 December 1942

CF's raising my blood pressure. Surface raiders hit a convoy in from Aden. I've lost two RAF Liberator squadrons at sea now.

quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Masirah at 33,8, Range 2,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso
CL Kitakami
CL Oi
DD Yugumo
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsushima
DD Wakaba
DD Shirayuki

Allied Ships
DD Decoy
xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 4, on fire
xAP Esperance Bay, Shell hits 4
xAP Chilka, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Empire Tugela
xAK Uffington Court
xAK Empire Ability, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Empire Star
xAK Gard, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
xAK Gausdal, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Edward Luckenbach, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 28 (11 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (13 destroyed, 7 disabled)

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Masirah at 28,5, Range 4,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso
CL Kitakami
CL Oi, Shell hits 1
DD Yugumo, Shell hits 1
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsushima
DD Wakaba
DD Shirayuki

Allied Ships
DD Decoy, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Esperance Bay, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
xAK Empire Tugela, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
xAK Uffington Court, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
xAP Empire Star, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 34 (20 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 39 (28 destroyed, 11 disabled)

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Sub attack near Masirah at 33,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
xAK Edward Luckenbach, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

SS I-9 launches 2 torpedoes


Japanese scum... I had some PBYs at Karachi less than optimally placed with regard to search arcs, which is probably why I didn't see them. My RN battlewagons are enroute to try and catch them, but I'm not holding my breath. It's not like they've been busy anyway, bottled up at Bombay. I'll have to make it SOP to use them to escort any major convoy enroute to Karachi. I lost the Libs and a flak unit out of this. I was more concerned shipping supply to India with them. I have an extremely good and extremely aggressive commander in charge of the TF. (Somerville?)

The layout at Raipur:

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Ground combat at Raipur (45,31)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61357 troops, 917 guns, 747 vehicles, Assault Value = 1948

Defending force 55270 troops, 667 guns, 1126 vehicles, Assault Value = 1656

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Assaulting units:
18th British Division
41st Infantry Division
7th Indian Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
50th Tank Brigade
129th Infantry Regiment
22nd Marine Regiment
40th Infantry Division
77th LRP Brigade
2/9th Field Regiment

Defending units:
1st Tank Division
55th Division
5th Division
Guards Tank Division
35th JAAF AF Bn
84th JAAF AF Bn
45th Field AA Battalion
7th JAAF Base Force
30th Fld AA Gun Co
9th RF Gun Battalion
53rd Field AA Battalion
15th Army
53rd JAAF AF Bn
76th JAAF AF Bn
1st RF Gun Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
50th Field AA Battalion
14th JAAF AF Coy


Not much of an edge yet. the UK 2nd Division is enroute from Nagpur. I'll give them a poke when they arrive.

To the east...

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Ground combat at 48,30 (near Raipur)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 359 troops, 34 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 793

Defending force 7629 troops, 156 guns, 644 vehicles, Assault Value = 135

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
73rd Motorised Brigade
3rd Marine Division
111th LRP Brigade
IV Indian Corps
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion


I think I have enough of an AV advantage to try again. They're shocking next turn. If I beat them, they'll move west to Raipur from their rear.

Elsewhere, a Hurricane recon squadron at Karachi upgraded to recon Spitfires. Very good range on this plane.

I'm seriously considering pulling troops and aircraft from Suva and New Zealand to somewhere more useful. I'm not sure where I'd go with them yet, and I don't want to move them just for the sake of moving them. I could always use them instead of the units at Pearl for the Gilberts. Noumea is a possibility. Three fleet carriers and 6 CVEs could probably shut them down, but I'd probably need a ton of troops. Sangamon just arrived today with a flyable airgroup of Wildcats and Avengers. I think one more is due soon. I didn't want to before, but I'll entertain a move up the Solomons. I have plenty of grunts in the immediate region to support this, and can move plenty of LBA in quickly.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 7:49:50 PM   
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quote:

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso
CL Kitakami
CL Oi
DD Yugumo
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsushima
DD Wakaba
DD Shirayuki


Ouch . . . apparently the IJN torpedo cruisers work quite well against cargo ships.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/2/2015 10:42:17 PM   
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05 December 1942

I finished the fight three hexes east of Raipur. I'd say the armored units are pretty much shredded at this point. My guys are moving west to Raipur to hopefully finish the siege. Maybe I can bag the fighters based there. CF's most likely too smart to let that happen, but I can dream.

quote:

Ground combat at 48,30 (near Raipur)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 28905 troops, 560 guns, 614 vehicles, Assault Value = 821

Defending force 7649 troops, 156 guns, 644 vehicles, Assault Value = 137

Allied adjusted assault: 1075

Japanese adjusted defense: 439

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1409 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 109 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 50 (46 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 196 (153 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
666 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 11 disabled
Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
73rd Motorised Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
27th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
111th LRP Brigade
IV Indian Corps
2/11th Field Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/5/2015 9:05:43 PM   
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Ahhh...Chungking...

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 135380 troops, 1272 guns, 325 vehicles, Assault Value = 4058

Defending force 156245 troops, 114 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1166

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 3318

Allied adjusted defense: 1625

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3249 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 637 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 32 (2 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
15690 casualties reported
Squads: 590 destroyed, 343 disabled
Non Combat: 377 destroyed, 462 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Units destroyed 9

Assaulting units:
35th Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
13th Tank Regiment
6th Division
15th Division
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
36th Division
110th Division
34th Division
32nd Division
63rd Division
70th Division
54th Infantry Brigade
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
China Expeditionary Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
5th Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
54th Chinese Corps
8th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
Lusu War Area
22nd Artillery Regiment
CAF HQ
57th AT Gun Regiment
25th Group Army
7th Group Army
16th Group Army
39th Group Army
10th Chinese Base Force
7th Chinese Corps
10th Group Army
36th Group Army
16th Construction Regiment
China Command
Central Reserve
60th Chinese Corps
13th Construction Regiment
9th Separate Brigade
85th Chinese Corps
5th War Area
1st Artillery Regiment
3rd Chinese Base Force
3rd Construction Regiment
2nd Group Army
Red Chinese Army
38th Group Army
23rd Group Army
31st Group Army
303rd Brigade
19th Chinese Base Force
21st Group Army
13th Group Army
8th Group Army
95th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Base Force
34th Group Army
8th Construction Regiment
17th Group Army
55th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Base Force
1st War Area
24th Group Army
8th War Area
22nd Group Army
37th Group Army
1st Chinese Base Force
1st Group Army
3rd Group Army
24th Chinese Corps
5th New Chinese Corps
14th Group Army
15th Group Army
4th Group Army
21st Chinese Base Force


CF's been taking a shot a week here. I don't think they'll hold out forever. My last shock attack pretty much wrecked them. If/when this falls, Wuchang and Hankow will be the only strongholds left, and he'll pretty much be able to mop up the rest of China. With India in it's current situation, no help will come from there. My attack at Raipur weakened me plenty there, too. I have the one fresh UK division arriving tomorrow. The other mob to the east is struggling to get out of the jungle yet.

A boatload of flak and base/engineer units are shipping out from Cape Town. It may help with his constant airstrikes at Raipur.

One big stalemate right now.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/5/2015 10:03:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
CF's been taking a shot a week here. I don't think they'll hold out forever. My last shock attack pretty much wrecked them. If/when this falls, Wuchang and Hankow will be the only strongholds left, and he'll pretty much be able to mop up the rest of China. With India in it's current situation, no help will come from there. My attack at Raipur weakened me plenty there, too. I have the one fresh UK division arriving tomorrow. The other mob to the east is struggling to get out of the jungle yet.

A boatload of flak and base/engineer units are shipping out from Cape Town. It may help with his constant airstrikes at Raipur.

One big stalemate right now.

Why are you still launching shock attacks here? It was understandable when the Japanese had 1000 AV but now they have 4x that. If you lose Chungking it's only a matter of time before the rest of China falls; its the one city you really can't afford to lose as without it you won't spawn anymore Chinese hordes. If it happens you are going to be faced with the very unenviable position of the Japanese being able to redeploy out of China before you have put substantial pressure on the Japanese. It's going to be very very difficult to push forward in India if the Japanese have redeployed out of China into India. Luckily that will take some time to happen so it's important to make good progress in early 43 in India.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/6/2015 7:41:14 PM   
Mundy


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Subs seem to be of interest today.

quote:

ASW attack near Karachi at 36,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-154

Allied Ships
CL Caradoc, Torpedo hits 1
xAP Tawali
xAP Clan Macfadyen
xAP Duchess of Bedford
xAK Clan Macindoe
DD Hotspur

SS I-154 launches 6 torpedoes at CL Caradoc
I-154 diving deep ....
DD Hotspur fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hotspur fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hotspur fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hotspur fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hotspur fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Karachi at 36,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-154, hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Stronghold
DD Isaac Sweers

SS I-154 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Stronghold
I-154 diving deep ....
DD Stronghold attacking submerged sub ....
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Karachi at 38,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-171

Allied Ships
BB Valiant
CA Devonshire
DD Stronghold
DD Isaac Sweers

SS I-171 launches 4 torpedoes at BB Valiant
I-171 diving deep ....
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Isaac Sweers fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Karachi at 38,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-171

Allied Ships
ML No. 230
ML No. 214

SS I-171 is sighted by escort
ML No. 230 fails to find sub and abandons search
ML No. 214 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 214 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Karachi at 34,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
CA Frobisher
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Stronghold

SS I-9 launches 6 torpedoes at CA Frobisher
I-9 diving deep ....
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stronghold attacking submerged sub ....
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stronghold attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-9 eludes DD Stronghold by diving deep
DD Stronghold fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


It looks like he had three subs parked west of Karachi. I got a good hit on one.

He's stayed away from Pearl up 'til now.

quote:

ASW attack near Pearl Harbor at 180,108

Japanese Ships
SS I-15

Allied Ships
DD Aylwin
AG William Luckenbach
AO Guadalupe
xAP Macedon
xAP Iron Prince
xAP Noordam
xAP Rangitata
xAP Thomas Barry
xAK Diamond head
DD MacDonough

SS I-15 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Aylwin
I-15 diving deep ....
DD MacDonough fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD MacDonough fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Aylwin fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


I got three loaded ASW groups of subchasers out now, cleansing the waters. I made sure they have mousetraps, and hand picked all the captains.

I get my own lick in.

quote:

Sub attack near Ponape at 118,114

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kaijo Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Hanakawa Maru
PB Kyo Maru #7

Allied Ships
SS S-44

SS S-44 launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Kaijo Maru #2
S-44 diving deep ....
PB Kyo Maru #7 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kyo Maru #7 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kyo Maru #7 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kyo Maru #7 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kyo Maru #7 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/6/2015 8:42:32 PM   
Mundy


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My ASW groups at Pearl did their job, landing one good hit on the sub there.

quote:

ASW attack near Pearl Harbor at 180,108

Japanese Ships
SS I-15, hits 2

Allied Ships
SC-705
SC-738
SC-708

SS I-15 is sighted by escort
I-15 diving deep ....
SC-738 fails to find sub and abandons search
SC-708 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-708 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-708 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-708 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-708 attacking submerged sub ....
SC-708 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


Snapper gets a shot off at Hosho, hitting with a dud. If only...

His artillery at Chungking seems to be weakening. Casualties are around 100-200 now instead of the 300+ range.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/8/2015 5:21:06 PM   
Mundy


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In China, Ichang falls. Not a lot left.

Fortunately, as far as Chungking is concerned, more corps are respawning there daily. They won't go down easy.

At Raipur, my forces from the east have arrived. I'm getting hit daily by his air there. I'm taking a shot with this next turn to see if there's a difference with being hit from both sides.

quote:

Ground combat at Raipur (45,31)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 102040 troops, 1792 guns, 1492 vehicles, Assault Value = 2922

Defending force 63683 troops, 743 guns, 1153 vehicles, Assault Value = 1930

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
129th Infantry Regiment
3rd Marine Division
2nd British Division
111th LRP Brigade
40th Infantry Division
73rd Motorised Brigade
268th Motorised Brigade
27th Infantry Division
22nd Marine Regiment
18th British Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
41st Infantry Division
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
7th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
77th LRP Brigade
IV Indian Corps
2/9th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
5th Division
1st Tank Division
55th Division
38th/A Division
Guards Tank Division
38th/C Division
15th Army
45th Field AA Battalion
53rd Field AA Battalion
35th JAAF AF Bn
1st RF Gun Battalion
53rd JAAF AF Bn
9th RF Gun Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
7th JAAF Base Force
84th JAAF AF Bn
30th Fld AA Gun Co
76th JAAF AF Bn
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
14th JAAF AF Coy


I have a unit of Stuarts inbound from Nagpur, plus some more flak. I'm sending all my heavies in to hit his guys, plus both P-38 squadrons will sweep next turn.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/8/2015 11:34:54 PM   
Mundy


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Another defense of Chungking. A few more corps showed up after the battle, stiffening my line a bit.

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 128298 troops, 1245 guns, 325 vehicles, Assault Value = 3945

Defending force 159847 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1598

Japanese adjusted assault: 5071

Allied adjusted defense: 1333

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3456 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 676 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 69 disabled
Guns lost 54 (1 destroyed, 53 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (4 destroyed, 27 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
10208 casualties reported
Squads: 695 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 234 destroyed, 611 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 6 (4 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units destroyed 13

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
36th Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
110th Division
6th Division
35th Division
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
63rd Division
70th Division
15th Division
34th Division
32nd Division
54th Infantry Brigade
4th Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
China Expeditionary Army
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
21st Army

Defending units:
54th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
30th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
8th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
51st Chinese Corps
22nd Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
7th Artillery Regiment
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment
30th Group Army
Central Reserve
8th War Area
23rd Group Army
90th Chinese Corps
39th Group Army
Lusu War Area
7th Group Army
29th Group Army
14th Group Army
4th Group Army
25th Group Army
1st War Area
CAF HQ
37th Group Army
1st Group Army
34th Separate Brigade
1st Chinese Base Force
5th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
22nd Group Army
China Command
55th Chinese Corps
36th Group Army
5th Construction Regiment
24th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
56th AT Gun Regiment
5th War Area
38th Group Army
34th Group Army
7th Chinese Corps
10th Group Army
15th Group Army
3rd Chinese Base Force
Red Chinese Army
77th Chinese Corps
13th Group Army
15th Chinese Base Force
19th Chinese Base Force
62nd Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
303rd Brigade
8th Group Army
85th Chinese Corps
21st Chinese Base Force


At Pearl, I now have 7 CVEs there, with another due in 6 days from now. I could probably throw my weight around a little, if I wanted. After my Adak adventure, I'm highly tempted to take a shot at Noumea, using the forces I have locally. They've been a real pain with my convoys to Australia, and when I get careless, like I sometimes do, they'll hit some freighters. I'm fairly convinced that all the intel warnings about landings in Oz and NZ are pure unfiltered BS.

I took my latest shot at Raipur. Not too disastrous, with the result at 1-2 odds. This may play out like my eastern battle, and I'll just have to wear him down. I've probably made supplies an issue, entering the hex at both ends. I pre-empted this with air raids. I'm not happy with the losses, but I did do some damage. A USMC and a UK tank unit each are enroute from Nagpur, and I'll wait 'til they arrive before taking another shot. More flak is on the way too. He did less damage to me this turn, and I'm guessing the increased AA is making a difference, despite not shooting them down wholesale. If I jus chip away, I'll probably push it over the top.

quote:

Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 13
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 30

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(17 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 71 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 50 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 93 minutes
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 32560.
Raid is overhead

Also attacking Guards Tank Division ...


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Morning Air attack on 1st Tank Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 9
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 26

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 15310.
Raid is overhead
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 41st Air Defense AA Regiment, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 8
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 83 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 55th Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 39

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 15
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 56

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D Liberator: 26 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (20 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(21 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
20 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 33000.
Raid is overhead
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (17 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(19 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
17 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (14 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 33000.
Raid is overhead
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 32560.
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 5th Division ...
Also attacking Guards Tank Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 15th Army ...
Also attacking 38th/C Division ...
Also attacking 55th Division ...
Also attacking 38th/A Division ...
Also attacking 5th Division ...
Also attacking 7th JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 55th Division ...
Also attacking 53rd Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 5th Division ...
Also attacking 55th Division ...
Also attacking 76th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 55th Division ...


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Morning Air attack on 55th Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 8
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 8
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 120 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 10
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 25

Allied aircraft
Hudson IIIa x 3
B-17E Fortress x 17
B-24D Liberator x 4
B-25C Mitchell x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Raid is overhead
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 25000.
Raid is overhead
286 Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (6 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
11th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 31000.
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 55th Division ...
Also attacking 1st Tank Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...


The fight itself:

quote:

Ground combat at Raipur (45,31)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 102639 troops, 1794 guns, 1560 vehicles, Assault Value = 2952

Defending force 63489 troops, 743 guns, 1152 vehicles, Assault Value = 1924

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 943

Japanese adjusted defense: 2109

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2735 casualties reported
Squads: 79 destroyed, 184 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 141 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 102 (31 destroyed, 71 disabled)
Vehicles lost 57 (4 destroyed, 53 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6669 casualties reported
Squads: 146 destroyed, 377 disabled
Non Combat: 97 destroyed, 68 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 132 (22 destroyed, 110 disabled)
Vehicles lost 64 (9 destroyed, 55 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
112th Cavalry Regiment
73rd Motorised Brigade
129th Infantry Regiment
22nd Marine Regiment
3rd Marine Division
27th Infantry Division
40th Infantry Division
111th LRP Brigade
41st Infantry Division
2nd British Division
18th British Division
50th Tank Brigade
7th Indian Division
268th Motorised Brigade
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
77th LRP Brigade
2/9th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
IV Indian Corps
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
38th/A Division
55th Division
Guards Tank Division
1st Tank Division
5th Division
38th/C Division
1st RF Gun Battalion
7th JAAF Base Force
53rd Field AA Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn
45th Field AA Battalion
15th Army
53rd JAAF AF Bn
35th JAAF AF Bn
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
76th JAAF AF Bn
30th Fld AA Gun Co
50th Field AA Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
14th JAAF AF Coy


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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 12:45:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a bloody battle at Raipur. Don't think you have enough to win but you can wear down the Japanese. First side to bring substantial reinforcements here will win the battle.

As for heavy losses, the Ki-44 can put down a a fair number of bombers with their 20 mm cannons. The heavy flak there doesn't really help either. Certainly the results of the battle don't justify those losses; very few casualties from the air and I doubt disruption was a factor either. There are simply some times when air support just isn't viable as its too costly.

What's the map look like these days? What's the significance of Raipur? Both of you are heavily invested in it.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 12:31:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		My battle before this to the east looked just as dismal at first.  Attacking and resting seemed to grind him down there.  The situation at Raipur seems pretty similar -- maybe better, if I've choked the supplies a bit.

I'm guessing the benefits to having armor involved are more than what their AV alone would suggest.  Adding another 100 - 150 tanks should make a difference, I think.  2 - 3 more flak units, I hope, will mess up the air he's been sending in.  He's been doing enough damage to me with this, too.

I'm trying to be careful with how I commit the bombers.  My bomber pools are pretty pathetic right now.  I could use a group of P-39s right now.  I have my two Vengeance squadrons, but I've reserve them for antiship.  I'm taking a bombardment a week at Madras.  I never see them come either, which is a pain.  My torp laden Beauforts are ready this time.  I won't send the dive bombers to Raipur, as they'll get shredded -- either by the CAP or the flak.  AA in Babes isn't nice to dive bombers.

Raipur is just far enough away that LRCAPping doesn't get enough numbers up.  Supplies aren't getting to my forward airfields in sufficient numbers.  Drop tanks are off the table, thanks to this.  I'm hauling in more supplies from Abadan and Aden, but it's not making a big difference.  I probably have a million fuel points in Karachi and Bombay with more inbound.  I'm guessing all the LCUs healing up are drawing quite a bit.  I can bring in lots from Cape Town, but that's a three week transit.

Raipur's sorta the sore thumb sticking out.  It looked like the most vulnerable spot to hit, sticking out from his main lines that far.  I would have dealt with more of his supporting bases attacking Benares from the north, I think.

I don't have anywhere near the troops required to drive CF out of India.  I'm only a few hundred PP away from flipping another division, and am tempted to send another over.  I haven't really looked ahead to see what the UK is ready to send over.  I already have 3 USA divisions plus some regiments over, along with a USMC division and regiment.  One of my USA regiments has its divisional cohorts sitting in New Zealand.  I'm thinking of shipping them over also, as I don't see a invasion there happening.

Looking back, I'm not sure I could have defended India much at all from the start.  CF made three simultaneous landings, going as far as Mangalore (pulling out from the others), so I had no real clue where the real axis of attack was.  The main thing is that the British are simply weak in the east.  Garrisons in the north don't help things either.  I have one good Indian division sitting on its hands up there, and a number of smaller units scattered around.  I'm taking about a 2 VP hit a day from a couple other cities I can't occupy right now.  I suppose I could send the USN over to take Ceylon, but I'm dedicating them for months to this, and it's along trip there.  I don't have the assault transports needed to haul a few divisions over either.  I'd probably shred his Betties there and KB wouldn't be a factor, which is the upside.

I'll post a map shot next turn.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 6:50:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sangeli

That's a bloody battle at Raipur. Don't think you have enough to win but you can wear down the Japanese. First side to bring substantial reinforcements here will win the battle.

As for heavy losses, the Ki-44 can put down a a fair number of bombers with their 20 mm cannons. The heavy flak there doesn't really help either. Certainly the results of the battle don't justify those losses; very few casualties from the air and I doubt disruption was a factor either. There are simply some times when air support just isn't viable as its too costly.

What's the map look like these days? What's the significance of Raipur? Both of you are heavily invested in it.

Raipur is one of the four bases along the rail line from Chittagong to Calcutta. If he takes it he can move on to surround Calcutta. I assume he already has Tezpur, Silchar and Comilla.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 7:21:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you're confusing Raipur with Rangpur there, BB.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 8:35:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mundy
I'm trying to be careful with how I commit the bombers.  My bomber pools are pretty pathetic right now.  I could use a group of P-39s right now.  I have my two Vengeance squadrons, but I've reserve them for antiship.  I'm taking a bombardment a week at Madras.  I never see them come either, which is a pain.  My torp laden Beauforts are ready this time.  I won't send the dive bombers to Raipur, as they'll get shredded -- either by the CAP or the flak.  AA in Babes isn't nice to dive bombers.

Raipur is just far enough away that LRCAPping doesn't get enough numbers up.  Supplies aren't getting to my forward airfields in sufficient numbers.  Drop tanks are off the table, thanks to this.  I'm hauling in more supplies from Abadan and Aden, but it's not making a big difference.  I probably have a million fuel points in Karachi and Bombay with more inbound.  I'm guessing all the LCUs healing up are drawing quite a bit.  I can bring in lots from Cape Town, but that's a three week transit.

As for the bombing, the only way you will be able to replenish those pools is by being more careful with your bombers. I agree with your analysis of not using DBs here.

Yes, you really need to be bringing lots of supply from Cape Town. Abadan has lots of fuel but not supply. Luckily there are lots of xAKs for this job though it my be difficult to bring them in depending on the naval situation. I'm sure CF isn't making it easy for you in the Indian Ocean.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 8:48:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's mostly been 2 subs west of Karachi and once in a while a fast surface group. I'm making it standard practice to have a battleship group from Bombay meet big convoys at the board edge. If the subs get too close to India, I drop a bunch of MLs on him.

22 December 1942

Looking at Raipur our raw AVs when I attacked were about 2900 to 1900, my favor. Judging from today's bombardment, we both dropped by about 400. Attrition match says I can just continue to grind him down until the ratios climb in my favor. Not a pretty way of fighting a war, but that's how it's done sometimes. The British armored brigade leaving Nagpur is about 200 AV by itself, having about 100 Stuarts and another 50 Lees in it. Probably another 50 Stuarts in the USMC unit on the way. When they arrive I'll hit him again. He'll probably have troubles with the medium tanks.

More flak is also marching over. I probably took a combined loss of 100 troops with all his airstrikes today, which is a record low. Some of the incoming flak is the heavy variety. I just have Bofors at Raipur now.




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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 9:05:32 PM   
Sangeli


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Status: offline 		Given the very limited Indian and British pools of infantry squadrons, attrition may end up hurting you than helping you. The key is being able to launch attacks that may result in large numbers of disabled squads but not destroyed squads. That last attack on Raipur had too many destroyed squads for my taste. It's probably also a good idea to wait until supply gets better; with lots of RR there the only conclusion that I can reach is that India as a whole has too little supply. Luckily this can be fixed with a few 100k ton convoys.

As for Raipur, I think you may be better served by disengaging and trying to surround the base while supply builds up. There are no primary roads leading to Raipur and it is a very long ways from any Japanese base along the RR so if the RR is cut it will take some time for Japanese LCUs to march to open up the routes. If you can cut the RR going to Raipur, the Japanese will not be able to use it to ferry damaged aircraft of the base which will mean you can launch some devastating attacks on the base and catch some planes on the ground. Yes, the encircling maneuver will be slow and you will be exposed to air attack but I think its better than the alternative of trying to take the base with brute force while the Japanese are able to fight on favorable terms.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/9/2015 9:42:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mundy

I think you're confusing Raipur with Rangpur there, BB.

D'OH!
All these similar place names in Asia must be part of the diabolical oriental plot they always warned us about!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/10/2015 7:38:41 PM   
Mundy


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About time I have some luck.

quote:

Sub attack near Saipan at 113,96

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi, Torpedo hits 1
DD Murasame
DD Murakumo
DD Inazuma
DD Ikazuchi

Allied Ships
SS Sunfish

SS Sunfish launches 6 torpedoes at CV Akagi
Sunfish diving deep ....
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Inazuma fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Murakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


A second torpedo hit, but dudded. Too bad...

Sunfish just happened to be in transit to a patrol station near Borneo, so I was just lucky. This happened 7 hexes east of Guam. Maybe someone can leave a generator running...

This is a typical day at Raipur.

quote:

Morning Air attack on 16th Light Cavalry Regiment, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 50
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 69

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 8 damaged

Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
33 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 6
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 12
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 7th Indian Division, at 45,31 (Raipur)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 24
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 43

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
86 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


quote:

Ground combat at Raipur (45,31)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 97758 troops, 1781 guns, 1485 vehicles, Assault Value = 2578

Defending force 74267 troops, 834 guns, 1181 vehicles, Assault Value = 2184

Japanese ground losses:
347 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
3rd Marine Division
50th Tank Brigade
129th Infantry Regiment
18th British Division
2nd British Division
41st Infantry Division
27th Infantry Division
22nd Marine Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
73rd Motorised Brigade
40th Infantry Division
7th Indian Division
111th LRP Brigade
77th LRP Brigade
IV Indian Corps
2/11th Field Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
55th/B Division
55th/A Division
55th/C Division
53rd Division
38th/A Division
5th Division
1st Tank Division
Guards Tank Division
38th/C Division
15th Army
50th Field AA Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
7th JAAF Base Force
53rd JAAF AF Bn
30th Fld AA Gun Co
53rd Field AA Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn
35th JAAF AF Bn
1st RF Gun Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
76th JAAF AF Bn
45th Field AA Battalion
14th JAAF AF Coy


It ain't pretty, but I'm slowly winning the attrition battle. When my armored regiment and brigade arrive, I'll let him have it.

At Chungking, I'm back up to 3,100 AV again. I was at 1/3 that after my last attack. I'm respawning 2-3 corps per day. If I get 4-1 or 5-1 odds, I'll give it another shot. CF's supply line has to be pretty long, too.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/10/2015 8:34:28 PM   
Mundy


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Just when I start feeling good about something, it falls apart.

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 136938 troops, 1336 guns, 329 vehicles, Assault Value = 3997

Defending force 200857 troops, 89 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3119

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 3082

Allied adjusted defense: 1121

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Chungking !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
13505 casualties reported
Squads: 36 destroyed, 1401 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 135 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 82 disabled
Guns lost 37 (5 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (7 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
154660 casualties reported
Squads: 7748 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11505 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 54 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 115 (115 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 75

Assaulting units:
6th Division
34th Division
36th Division
110th Division
13th Tank Regiment
70th Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
35th Division
63rd Division
13th Division
15th Division
32nd Division
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
China Expeditionary Army
4th Mortar Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Army
21st Army

Defending units:
57th Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
51st Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
54th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
22nd Chinese Corps
15th Chinese Corps
8th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
30th Chinese Corps
23rd Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
7th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Base Force
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
24th Chinese Corps
10th Group Army
56th AT Gun Regiment
1st Chinese Base Force
China Command
1st War Area
Lusu War Area
7th Group Army
25th Group Army
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
37th Group Army
19th Chinese Base Force
34th Separate Brigade
30th Group Army
85th Chinese Corps
Red Chinese Army
18th Artillery Regiment
1st Group Army
5th Construction Regiment
3rd War Area
303rd Brigade
11th Construction Regiment
9th War Area
62nd Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
38th Group Army
60th Chinese Corps
Central Reserve
CAF HQ
29th Group Army
56th Chinese Corps
17th Chinese Base Force
15th Chinese Base Force
21st Chinese Base Force


So much for China, I guess. Wuchang and Hankow are the only other places of real resistance left. He did take a pretty good beating doing this, so there will be some recovery time needed for these forces.

At this point, I'm going to try and wrap up Raipur as quickly as I can. I have a minimum of a month before he can realign some of these forces in China towards India. I'm not worried about landings on the west side, but on the south, who knows? Once Raipur is finished, I'll start deploying some muscle towards some of the more vulnerable areas.

I don't know if this bodes ill for Australia and New Zealand or not. Having the troops is one thing. Getting them over safely is another, and I'm pretty strong in the air at these spots. Same with Suva.

1943 will be interesting.

This is fun.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 3/11/2015 4:44:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could you post a screenshot of the VP screen please when you have a minute. I assume the capture of Chunking pushed things well into auto-victory, but I'd love to see the details if you don't mind.

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