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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/13/2015 8:29:14 PM   
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Stop getting attached to your pilots!

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 12:31:29 AM   
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Stop getting attached to your pilots!



Japanese pilots are meant to crash and burn. And they do!

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 1:57:01 PM   
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July 21, 1943

A tough day.

Indi-Burma border. Kalemyo.
While the 55th ID sleeps away, the 2nd area army and the whole lot of supporting troops are left behind. Hard choice to make, but a couple of more days and I could have lost 2 full experienced divisions.
While the AA units and the guns can easily bought back, a division is expensive and takes a lot of time to be rebuilt... a choice I had to make.
The support units are overrunned and two are destroyed (an AA unit and an heavy mortar unit). Will be bought back and sent to the Mariannas.

Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21426 troops, 303 guns, 1098 vehicles, Assault Value = 789

Defending force 5193 troops, 162 guns, 196 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Allied adjusted assault: 349

Japanese adjusted defense: 73

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kalemyo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
731 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 211 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 144 (143 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 201 (201 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
762nd Tank Battalion
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd Marine Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
50th Tank Brigade
6th Medium Regiment
III Indian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Hyderabad Base Force
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
IV Indian Corps
2/1st Med Regiment
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
1st Art.Mortar Regiment
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
36th Field AA Battalion
2nd Area Army
2nd Ind.AA Gun Co
2nd RF Gun Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Battalion
6th Air Defense AA Regiment
54th Field AA Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
12th Ind. AA Battalion



IN SOPAC/SWPAC

At Finshhafen, Erik tries to support his two advanced units (still don't know what they are) with a supply landing operation. The ships are welcomed by the CD gun fire and by some mines...
At Buin, heavy naval bombing, followed up by air bombings, plaster the base. Erik lands the 2nd USMC regiment, but the following attack only achieve a 1-2 and forts remain at 4. Won't last long, I know, but everyday helps

Ground combat at Buin (109,131)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12191 troops, 250 guns, 163 vehicles, Assault Value = 455

Defending force 7126 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 193

Allied adjusted assault: 544

Japanese adjusted defense: 711

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
405 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
32nd Infantry Division
2nd Marine Regiment
147th Field Artillery Battalion
131st Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
18th Garrison Unit
46th Naval Guard Unit
42nd JNAF AF Unit
44th JNAF AF Unit
45th JNAF AF Unit




In the Marshalls, after several days of bombings, the yanks launch another DA...and got butchered! :-)


Ground combat at Kwajalein Island (132,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4478 troops, 55 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 105

Defending force 3948 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Allied adjusted assault: 10

Japanese adjusted defense: 50

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
847 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 106 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 22 (2 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
110th Cmbt Engineer Battalion
1/542nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF
44th Naval Guard Unit
6th Fleet
Nimur Naval Fortress
Kwajalein Base Force











My experience is that when a veteran division loses the bulk of its squads and has to be rebuilt, the flood of new infantry squads will greatly lower it's experience anyways. As it should be.


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 2:06:34 PM   
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The spit V is a remarkably disappointing plane from the Allies perspective. Just too damn slow for 1943. (not to mention the lack of any range) The Kittyhawk III is a much better plane but both are bound to suffer at the hands of the George and Frank. I really avoid using the spit V in combat if I can. It just gets your pilots killed and the pool of Australian pilots is very difficult to maintain. He really needs some Jugs at Lae. The P38 is good enough but not really for base defense.

Interesting but with the change to AA in DaBabes my philosophy about defending bases with fighters has changed. I sometimes just load up key bases with AA and pull the fighters out. Unless the base if operating a lot of bombers, I don't fret too much about fighter defense. The AA makes it dangerous enough to Japanese bombers and lessen the effects of their attacks. Sometimes the best defense vs Japanese sweeps is no defense. Depends....

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 2:19:51 PM   
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Interesting but with the change to AA in DaBabes my philosophy about defending bases with fighters has changed. I sometimes just load up key bases with AA and pull the fighters out. Unless the base if operating a lot of bombers, I don't fret too much about fighter defense. The AA makes it dangerous enough to Japanese bombers and lessen the effects of their attacks. Sometimes the best defense vs Japanese sweeps is no defense. Depends....


This main reason why I give up playing on DaBabes mod ;) It is not fun at all.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 2:56:54 PM   
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The spit V is a remarkably disappointing plane from the Allies perspective. Just too damn slow for 1943. (not to mention the lack of any range) The Kittyhawk III is a much better plane but both are bound to suffer at the hands of the George and Frank. I really avoid using the spit V in combat if I can. It just gets your pilots killed and the pool of Australian pilots is very difficult to maintain. He really needs some Jugs at Lae. The P38 is good enough but not really for base defense.


Woot?! I´ve done very well with the Oz Spits! I use them defensively until the VII comes around and by that time the old V squadrons have a couple of 100 kills and loads of EXP. Some of my best pilots started in the Spit V!

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 5:30:09 PM   
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The spit V is a remarkably disappointing plane from the Allies perspective. Just too damn slow for 1943. (not to mention the lack of any range) The Kittyhawk III is a much better plane but both are bound to suffer at the hands of the George and Frank. I really avoid using the spit V in combat if I can. It just gets your pilots killed and the pool of Australian pilots is very difficult to maintain. He really needs some Jugs at Lae. The P38 is good enough but not really for base defense.


Woot?! I´ve done very well with the Oz Spits! I use them defensively until the VII comes around and by that time the old V squadrons have a couple of 100 kills and loads of EXP. Some of my best pilots started in the Spit V!


Not my experience but I suppose it depends on your opponents playing style. Mine seems to have them figured out. As far as the game goes I think speed is the biggest factor for fighters. The spit V is quite slow vs mid war Japanese models. It is fine vs the Oscar and zero, but tojos, George and Franks, no way..

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/14/2015 7:17:43 PM   
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Can´t remember really what I did with the Vs. I do remember sending then in whenever I wanted a solid CAP. They did extremely well on defensive CAP. Might have been a EXP thing though.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/15/2015 9:11:55 AM   
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July 23-24, 1943


The allies finally conquer Buin, after two days of intense bombings. Several CLs and BBs bomb the base, along with every bomber (4E, 2E, DB) the allies have in SOPAC. The 32nd ID and the 2nd USMC regiment attack and get a 6-1 which allows them to overcome the 4 forts i have there.
Now they are one hex closer to Rabaul...only 6 hexes... found an SST sub moving to Green Island...hope to catch him on his way before he drops the men...

At Finshhafen Erik sends two MArines regiment and a Indipendent Inf US regiment...but they find here more than what they hoped for

Ground combat at Finschhafen (100,126)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7723 troops, 86 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 399

Defending force 21214 troops, 303 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 563

Allied ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
1st Marine Regiment
7th Marine Regiment

Defending units:
1st Guards Division
Maizuru 3rd SNLF
Combined 8th SNLF
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
15th AA Regiment
107th JAAF AF Bn /1
51st Base Force
9th Field Const Bn /1



Finally we are able to catch something inthe indian Ocean from Diego....

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Addu at 16,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 31
G4M1 Betty x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Thracian
DD Le Triomphant, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAP Takliwa, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Chilka, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Talma
xAP Khedive Ismail, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
177 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (4 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Good...this should slow him down a bit there...


In China we bombed Wenchow with 2 BBs and 3 CAs, but the following DA doesn't achieve what we hoped...1-2 and forts still up to 3.... but we will get there!

He also have dropped 2 Indian brigades and 2 indian artillery units at Chungking....mmmmm....need to starve that damned place!

Heavy recon at Wake island... i have a couple of presents for him when he decides to invade here...

The 12th ID (a good one) is moving to Biak, while the 16th is reaching Sarmi. Setting up my second defensive line in the pacific.

The 5th ID reached Singapore from Rangoon. Now it will go to Padang (Sumatra western coast). The 36th ID has reached Benkoleng.

2 SNLF Units are moving to Little Adaman, along with 2 Engineer regiments. Building forts and setting up the defences there.

Another SNLF unit from China is moving to Cocos Is.. More small units are moving to Christmas I.O.

Setting up an anti sub defensive line in the DEI. too many subs are moving from Perth and infiltrating in the DEI...

KI-61 KAI is under RnD from today. 5 factories working with the engine bonus. Have 4 sentais being able to upgrade to it. A very good interceptor (394 mhp and 2x20mm CL). Unfortunately it has a SR of 4, so it needs to be stationed ONLY in very good bases (Rabaul, Rangoon or Port Hedland at the moment).






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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/15/2015 9:13:41 AM   
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Can´t remember really what I did with the Vs. I do remember sending then in whenever I wanted a solid CAP. They did extremely well on defensive CAP. Might have been a EXP thing though.



In the DBB air mode, the spit V is too slow to be able to stand the N1K1. However it is a good fighter and, against the Zeros, can be very effective.

For what concerns CAP, Erik is very meticulous not to let me catch with my sweeps his leaking CAP...so, 3 times out of 4, my sweeps find only thin air...


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/15/2015 4:21:35 PM   
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quote:

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Can´t remember really what I did with the Vs. I do remember sending then in whenever I wanted a solid CAP. They did extremely well on defensive CAP. Might have been a EXP thing though.



In the DBB air mode, the spit V is too slow to be able to stand the N1K1. However it is a good fighter and, against the Zeros, can be very effective.

For what concerns CAP, Erik is very meticulous not to let me catch with my sweeps his leaking CAP...so, 3 times out of 4, my sweeps find only thin air...




Even without Symon's a/c update. Spit V it will not stand against N1K1. It ability to fight as equal or with advantage is ending on Tojo, Tony and Zero lines. Lack of range and to small units eliminate it form offensive role either.

Good to hear your game is progressing well Nicola. Your opponent make some progress, but this is no any major success. Good tactic on your side, oil field are more important than some jungle sides in middle of pacific.

I see you have serious stand in Finshhafen, how about site north of Lea (AF lvl 9), don't remember name but it was major allied base during WW2.

Can you leak some information about your AF-bases defending Sumatra ? I mean those bases with range to prevent allied landing on north end of Island.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 8:51:04 AM   
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July 25-28, 1943

Erik responds to my Netties raid at Attu immediately placing 50 planes on CAP, but I don't eat the bait and my netties are back to Nav Search at Diego. Now at Diego there are also some fighters

Marshalls: Kwajalein is attacked for 4 days in a row by 200 2Es and 50 4Es and, on the 28th, another American Infantry regiment is unloaded, with 3 BBs covering and bombing. Now hope to hold. Troops are completely distrupted.

SOPAC: here's is where the action takes place.

On the 25th, we spotted a large fleet loading or unloading at Buin. BBs are spotted too. We decided to give at a go.
Franks and Georges to sweep, 2 D4Y1s groups, 2 Lily DB groups, 1 Jill sentai, escorted by 3 Zero/OScars sentais.

The day is cloudy over Buin. The Franks arrive first (miracle) and they found nearly 200 fighters on LRCAP from all the nearby allied bases. Hellcats, Corsairs, Wildcats, Spits and P-38s. The best the allied can field nowdays.
The Franks do pretty well, downing 22 enemies for the loss of 9 planes.
Then 36 Zeros and 32 Oscars escort 54 Judys and 6 jills. The Escort pays an heavy price, losing nearly 50 planes, but the bombers get through. Several xAPs are hit and sunk, with support troops aboard (I bet a base force unloading at the newly conquered base of Buin).
But where the hell are the Georges?! They do not fly...
Lilies arrive unescorted and are mauled...but not before damaging several other xAPs.
The fast Jills are the last to arrive... and they do hit hard even if unescorted.
Several more uncoordinated attacks are conducted for no other gain.

Losses are heavy. 195 planes. 50 Judys, 40 Jills, 20 Lilies and 55 Zeros/Oscars.
The allies must have lost at least 6 or 7 xAPs, with several more damaged.
Not bad. could have been better if the Goerges had done their job and if the other Zero sentai set on escort had taken off.

On the 26th, The bombers rest and rearm, while the Georges are called into the action. They have to sweep Buin.
They do.
And they do fine.
55 allied planes are downed (22 Wildcars,5 SpitVs,5 Hellcats, 4 corsairs and 3 Aircobras) for the loss of 9 Georges (1 KIA, 3 MIA). Not bad.

On the 27th, Franks sweep Shortland, downing 6 wildcats for no loss.
The Japanese South Pacific fleet sails for Torokina from Rabaul at night. Torokina, while the battle of Buin was in place, repaired most of the damage to the runaway. Damaged but operable, 250 Japanese fighters move there from Rabaul.
We encounter no allied bombardment run at Torokina and the fleet sits there during the day.
The allies didn't expect this and several groups of SDBs take off without escort.
50 dive bombers are nailed and the Japanese sentais can now field several brand new aces

Cat&mouse game. The goal is to slow him down as much as possible here, without losing too many important assets, while building up in the Mariannas.


In China we have successfully isolated completely Chungking. Now the strategy is simple: destroy as much Chinese groups as possible so to force them to reform at Chungking thus overstacking the hex. Auto-Starving operation
Wenchow is being bombed by BBs and attacked from the air and ground. Finally a 1-1 and forts down to 2. Should be getting there pretty soon now. This should free up a pretty decent army to be moved to the Mariannas.


Exmouth and Port Hedland are finally being reconned. we are waiting for the attack to begin here.





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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 8:54:38 AM   
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I see you have serious stand in Finshhafen, how about site north of Lea (AF lvl 9), don't remember name but it was major allied base during WW2.

Can you leak some information about your AF-bases defending Sumatra ? I mean those bases with range to prevent allied landing on north end of Island.



That site north of Lae is Nazdab. It is already in allied hands as it's Lae. I know it's a potential level 9 base but the allies already have Buna and PM built up to level 9, so it doesn't really change much.
Finshafen is a +3 terrain with a very low SL of 25,000. With some AA guns, CD guns and enough supplies it's a damned tough place to conquer, even if very close to a series of gigantic allied bases.


About Sumatra, Sebang is a level 9, Padang will be built to level 5 and Benkoleng will be level 9 hopefully.
Not much more. I simply don't have enough engineers to do more.


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 9:03:41 AM   
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I'd like to share with you the history of Japan greatest sentai.

The Yokasuka KU-S2

The Sentai, until April 1943, fielded the outclassed A6M5.
Then, the high command, ordered the brand new, but somehow problematic (SR=3) N1K1 George.
Until april 1943 the sentai have collected a mere grand total of 8 kills. One of the less succesfull sentais of the whole IJAN.
In 130 turns of operations from Rabaul (the only base where this sentai has operated), the group (now composed by IJN golden boys) have collected a grand total of 240 kills!!!!!!
Simply awesome.


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 9:31:15 AM   
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That's why I believe this Air Mod is really really well balanced only when played with PDU OFF.
The N1K1 is a really powerful beast.
If I could upgrade all the IJN LBA sentais to the George, by now Erik would be forced to keep all his fighters downed. Imagine what 2/300 Georges could do on sweep to a large allied base.
While, having only 1 Sentai of Georges available, balances things out. I've never played a match where the air war was so fun and so balanced like in this one.
Japan has few interesting toys, that can be used in a very limited way...but when they do, they are useful, as they should be.

In 54 days i'll get the first (and only until mid 1944) J2M Jack sentai (27 planes). Would really like to use it in SOPAC if possible. Hopefully, by the time it arrives, Rabaul will still be operative

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 9:40:15 AM   
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At Finshhafen Erik has now brought 6 units. 2 USMC Regiments (don't understand why he keeps on using fragmented marine divisions) and 1 US (Sep) regiment. The three new units are unknown, but I guess they are tanks or artillery units. really curious to see how he will do here in Finshhafen. Single regiments shouldn't be able to conquer the place, imho. He will need at least a full reinforced divisions, plus a lot of tanks.
JR terrain is my friend here. I predict a bloody and slow advance for the brave marines in this malarian corner of the world.

The 1st Guards division isn't exactly a crack unit. I now regret to have used this unit instead of the 30th ID which was available...
However the Guards IDs have done a good job in India where they've been used, and I am sure these young Japanese soldiers will cover themselves with glory before dieying for the Emperor!


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 9:59:51 AM   
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Erik responds to my Netties raid at Attu immediately placing 50 planes on CAP, but I don't eat the bait and my netties are back to Nav Search at Diego. Now at Diego there are also some fighters


Nic,
Did you mean Addu, not Attu??

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 10:00:42 AM   
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Erik responds to my Netties raid at Attu immediately placing 50 planes on CAP, but I don't eat the bait and my netties are back to Nav Search at Diego. Now at Diego there are also some fighters


Nic,
Did you mean Addu, not Attu??



Yes, sorry. Addu, in the Maldives, between Diego and Ceylon

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 10:03:35 AM   
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That's why I believe this Air Mod is really really well balanced only when played with PDU OFF.
The N1K1 is a really powerful beast.
If I could upgrade all the IJN LBA sentais to the George, by now Erik would be forced to keep all his fighters downed. Imagine what 2/300 Georges could do on sweep to a large allied base.
While, having only 1 Sentai of Georges available, balances things out. I've never played a match where the air war was so fun and so balanced like in this one.
Japan has few interesting toys, that can be used in a very limited way...but when they do, they are useful, as they should be.

In 54 days i'll get the first (and only until mid 1944) J2M Jack sentai (27 planes). Would really like to use it in SOPAC if possible. Hopefully, by the time it arrives, Rabaul will still be operative



True, PDU off makes the game more fun. A nitpicky option would be a semihistoric go between, sort of like PDU 20% on or something, where one could optimize a wee bit more than with pdu off, but not too much though. Anyway this is really nitpicking. This game is fun to watch, I look forward to the rest of 43 : He really should start thinking about the DEI : It takes time to creep up to the oil, and if isn't starting to nibble northern Oz and Merauke/Horn island etc, he will find himself in early 44 still very far from the oil.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 10:10:06 AM   
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That's why I believe this Air Mod is really really well balanced only when played with PDU OFF.
The N1K1 is a really powerful beast.
If I could upgrade all the IJN LBA sentais to the George, by now Erik would be forced to keep all his fighters downed. Imagine what 2/300 Georges could do on sweep to a large allied base.
While, having only 1 Sentai of Georges available, balances things out. I've never played a match where the air war was so fun and so balanced like in this one.
Japan has few interesting toys, that can be used in a very limited way...but when they do, they are useful, as they should be.

In 54 days i'll get the first (and only until mid 1944) J2M Jack sentai (27 planes). Would really like to use it in SOPAC if possible. Hopefully, by the time it arrives, Rabaul will still be operative



True, PDU off makes the game more fun. A nitpicky option would be a semihistoric go between, sort of like PDU 20% on or something, where one could optimize a wee bit more than with pdu off, but not too much though. Anyway this is really nitpicking. This game is fun to watch, I look forward to the rest of 43 : He really should start thinking about the DEI : It takes time to creep up to the oil, and if isn't starting to nibble northern Oz and Merauke/Horn island etc, he will find himself in early 44 still very far from the oil.



That is, basically, my strategy as you know. "invite" him on the longest possible way to get through the oil.
I think he will chose NW Oz, which is much less challenging to face. Horn Island and Mereuake, can be a real PITA imho.
Horn is an atoll, and is stuck with 35,000 men (SL of 40,000) and 800 AVs, behind 6 forts. The place will take months to be starved and could require the best of the best of his divisions.

Exmouth is easier, being a simple Desert hex, but again, it is in range of Port Hedland, which is a very good air base and the allies won't have any really close supporting AF. He will need his CVs to go for here.
The idea was to draw my line in the sand in the best possible places for my defence, even at the cost of letting him conquer easily places like SOPAC, NG or the Marshalls. Where there are a lot of mutual supporting possible AFs, it's a bad place for Japan to defend.


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 10:17:00 AM   
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The other route is the Indian Ocean. a direct assault from India or Perth to Java or Sumatra (or Timor, less likely).
I am working to defend against such a move. For the next months, the real countermeasure, will be the presence of the KB in the west.

And what about Diego? Will he try to get it or he will simply ignore it? He will need his CVs to get there... and I may try to ambush him...an inverse Midway...who knows

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 3:47:46 PM   
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That's why I believe this Air Mod is really really well balanced only when played with PDU OFF.
The N1K1 is a really powerful beast.
If I could upgrade all the IJN LBA sentais to the George, by now Erik would be forced to keep all his fighters downed. Imagine what 2/300 Georges could do on sweep to a large allied base.
While, having only 1 Sentai of Georges available, balances things out. I've never played a match where the air war was so fun and so balanced like in this one.
Japan has few interesting toys, that can be used in a very limited way...but when they do, they are useful, as they should be.

In 54 days i'll get the first (and only until mid 1944) J2M Jack sentai (27 planes). Would really like to use it in SOPAC if possible. Hopefully, by the time it arrives, Rabaul will still be operative



Yes, I am afraid that I will have to face this issue later on in my PDU on game. I am mystified at the changes they made to the George, Jack and Frank fighters. Frankly, the stats they used might represent ideal test numbers but there was no way these aircraft ever achieved this sort of stuff in the field. Excellent designs but taken as a whole, considering the poor fuel, poor maintenance, lack of parts and overall quality control problems in construction, these planes were just not close to that good.

Any warplane's performance degrades as soon as it goes on active duty. However, Japanese planes degraded very fast and it was worse the closer they got to the front lines.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 4:47:24 PM   
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Now, a bit of thoughts sharing about the best way to defend atolls and islands (non-shock attack mandatory) like Mariannas in a DBB Stacking Limits game.

What's the best configuration for the 6,000 SL small atolls?
And what's the best for the big 35,000 islands like the Mariannas?

Let's consider that a decent IJA division (not the IJA-C formations) has a SL cost between 13 and 15,000.

For bases like Saipan or Guam, I'm thinking of a good IJA division, reinforced by an Indipendent regiment 84-5,000 SL), an heavy artillery unit (150mm and more) and by some support units (base forces, Engineer regiments). Possibly I'd like to add a tank regiment for each of the main bases in the Mariannas.

What do you think?
What's the best average solution considering I cannot have CD guns and crack Divisions everywhere?


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 5:13:48 PM   
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I thought you were putting a Tank Division on either Guam or Saipan or both!

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 5:27:17 PM   
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I thought you were putting a Tank Division on either Guam or Saipan or both!



I was...but am not so certain now.

Tank IDs are very usefull in china now and, maybe, later on in Thailand when Burma will fall.
They could be more usefull there, maybe, instead of in a static defence stance in the Mariannas?
don't really know the answer...

Surely 4 Tank divisions At Saipan, Guam, Tinian and Pagan, backed up, maybe, by a small IJA ID (IJA-C), will be pretty awesome....mmmmm.....

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 5:35:18 PM   
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I thought you were putting a Tank Division on either Guam or Saipan or both!



I was...but am not so certain now.

Tank IDs are very usefull in china now and, maybe, later on in Thailand when Burma will fall.
They could be more usefull there, maybe, instead of in a static defence stance in the Mariannas?
don't really know the answer...

Surely 4 Tank divisions At Saipan, Guam, Tinian and Pagan, backed up, maybe, by a small IJA ID (IJA-C), will be pretty awesome....mmmmm.....


I agree. I'd love to have the tanks to contest atolls in particular, but they are just far more useful on the continent where you can use them to at least counter the maneuverability of the Allied tanks in terms of hex side control. When you put them on an island, you sacrifice that major perk. I do wonder about using them on Luzon, though - with the grey roads, they could be your mobile reserve to meet a landing. But usually if the Allies are landing on Luzon, you can't stop them anyway...

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 5:54:57 PM   
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On atoll defence: the only time I lasted more than the initial shock landing attack was when I had about 8 units there, and one of the units, a dinky armored car unit with 18 AV survived undamaged thru the shelling and landing and repulsed the attack thanks to forts level 5 (there was an artillery unit that helped too).

So, I think you want to maximize the number of units and have some type of CD gun present.


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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 5:59:28 PM   
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I agree. I'd love to have the tanks to contest atolls in particular, but they are just far more useful on the continent where you can use them to at least counter the maneuverability of the Allied tanks in terms of hex side control. When you put them on an island, you sacrifice that major perk. I do wonder about using them on Luzon, though - with the grey roads, they could be your mobile reserve to meet a landing. But usually if the Allies are landing on Luzon, you can't stop them anyway...


Yeah, I wouldn´t count too much on the Japanese tank divs. They need to be in x3 terrain and preferably some forts to be effective. Counting on being able to move them around is probably a bit too optimistic.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 6:13:04 PM   
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quote:

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I thought you were putting a Tank Division on either Guam or Saipan or both!



I was...but am not so certain now.

Tank IDs are very usefull in china now and, maybe, later on in Thailand when Burma will fall.
They could be more usefull there, maybe, instead of in a static defence stance in the Mariannas?
don't really know the answer...

Surely 4 Tank divisions At Saipan, Guam, Tinian and Pagan, backed up, maybe, by a small IJA ID (IJA-C), will be pretty awesome....mmmmm.....



Don't really know about this. Allied units have powerful inherent AT values in their squads by early 43. Or, if it is just a lone Japanese tank division, it might pay the Allies to just invade with tanks alone. They can stack up tanks quite a bit and Allies tanks should make easy work of any Japanese tanks. Just speculating because I have yet to experience it. Still with stacking limits I think that no matter the units there, any heavily defended and prepared base will have to be run low on supply before a successful invasions can happen. But no supply and it does not make any difference who is defending.

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RE: Paoshan falls - 3/16/2015 7:22:30 PM   
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I wonder why your Georges are doing that much better than your Franks when the Franks should be at least equal if not better. Have you got your elite IJN pilots flying the Georges having a considerable higher air skill than the Frank pilots?

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