Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
What I feel is the limiting factor is not the strategy, the terain or ability, but the limitations of the game engine. THAT I can appreciate and accept. And until I learn to properly mod the editor (and find a PBEM opponent that's willing to let me try out my theory), I'll have to live with it.

Many,many thanks for gold information nuggets!
I greatly appreciate them, and learned a lot from them.

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
What I feel is the limiting factor is not the strategy, the terain or ability, but the limitations of the game engine. THAT I can appreciate and accept. And until I learn to properly mod the editor (and find a PBEM opponent that's willing to let me try out my theory), I'll have to live with it.

Many,many thanks for gold information nuggets!
I greatly appreciate them, and learned a lot from them.

What the game engine does not represent well at all is the historical reality that DARWIN was not SYDNEY nor BRISBANE....nor was DARWIN going to be developed into a SYDNEY or BRISBANE in three months like the game engine allows.

The other thing the game engine does not represent well is the millions of tons of supplies that were shipped into Australia to build up the infrastructure at SYDNEY/BRISBANE et al. to support trrops that were stationed there and transited the area.

One of the reasons that the Allies went back through the Solomons and Papua is because the East Coast Australian infrastructure to support the intial moves into those areas was already partially in place. And once there it was easier to continue the momentum from there...rather than shift the momentum 1000 miles to the west from an undeveloped port.

One of the other things that the game engine does not represent well either is the relatively lack of supply spoilage. SYDNEY/BRISBANE et al had the warehousing facilities to accomodate the storage of supplies needed in the coming offensives...DARWIN did not.

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
What I feel is the limiting factor is not the strategy, the terain or ability, but the limitations of the game engine. THAT I can appreciate and accept. And until I learn to properly mod the editor (and find a PBEM opponent that's willing to let me try out my theory), I'll have to live with it.

Many,many thanks for gold information nuggets!
I greatly appreciate them, and learned a lot from them.

What the game engine does not represent well at all is the historical reality that DARWIN was not SYDNEY nor BRISBANE....nor was DARWIN going to be developed into a SYDNEY or BRISBANE in three months like the game engine allows.

The other thing the game engine does not represent well is the millions of tons of supplies that were shipped into Australia to build up the infrastructure at SYDNEY/BRISBANE et al. to support trrops that were stationed there and transited the area.

One of the reasons that the Allies went back through the Solomons and Papua is because the East Coast Australian infrastructure to support the intial moves into those areas was already partially in place. And once there it was easier to continue the momentum from there...rather than shift the momentum 1000 miles to the west from an undeveloped port.

One of the other things that the game engine does not represent well either is the relatively lack of supply spoilage. SYDNEY/BRISBANE et al had the warehousing facilities to accomodate the storage of supplies needed in the coming offensives...DARWIN did not.

Tree I've heard of a lot of limitations , but a "warehouse gap"? The US had a solution for that...it's called a large quonset hut. They were used for everything from indoor training facilities (Great Lakes had one when I went to Basic in the late 70's...I saw over a thousand recruits exercising in there at once) to warehouses,motor pools and even hangers.
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When I worked in the Museum on Guam we had boxes and boxes of photo's of Guam. Many of them showed this small island of less than 20k and only 200 troops turn into a massive floating ware house that supported the 3rd and 7th fleets,SUBPAC, the 20th and 21st Air Force and over half a million troops. That from a small , mountainous jungle covered island and in less than a few months.

I find it inconceivable that there would be any problem turning large,flat, barren areas of space into large "ware house districts" as was done on Guam, in North Africa and even in the UK .Docks, floating drydocks, various water tenders and support craft could rapidly turn Darwin into a rough , quick , Mega base.....if it had been so desired. I have absolutely no doubt that This could happen if it was considered inportant.

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What I was wondering was how to defend Darwin while under attack and build it up till it was capable of defending it's self. And I wondered if it was at all possible to build up a supply route through the outback , overland from Alice Springs (Where the railroad ends, and the base can be built up to a pretty big base itself) through Tennnant Creek and Katherine. Alas , the answer is no. I CAN march troops (very slowly) overland from there. And I can do a "Berlin Airlift/Flying the Hump" type airlift for limited supplies.But that's it.

It appears that the key to holding Darwin and turning it into a mega base is 1st holding Timor. I'll be testing this in my game with "Satisfaction" (yes Andrew, go ahead and read this.....). Hold those small airbases, and Darwin doesn't come under ESCORTED air attack , so defense is quite possible.

But again , I'd like to thank everyone who responded , you've been VERY helpfull and given me a great deal to ponder.....and find a way around the limitations.

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
What I feel is the limiting factor is not the strategy, the terain or ability, but the limitations of the game engine. THAT I can appreciate and accept. And until I learn to properly mod the editor (and find a PBEM opponent that's willing to let me try out my theory), I'll have to live with it.

Many,many thanks for gold information nuggets!
I greatly appreciate them, and learned a lot from them.

What the game engine does not represent well at all is the historical reality that DARWIN was not SYDNEY nor BRISBANE....nor was DARWIN going to be developed into a SYDNEY or BRISBANE in three months like the game engine allows.

The other thing the game engine does not represent well is the millions of tons of supplies that were shipped into Australia to build up the infrastructure at SYDNEY/BRISBANE et al. to support trrops that were stationed there and transited the area.

One of the reasons that the Allies went back through the Solomons and Papua is because the East Coast Australian infrastructure to support the intial moves into those areas was already partially in place. And once there it was easier to continue the momentum from there...rather than shift the momentum 1000 miles to the west from an undeveloped port.

One of the other things that the game engine does not represent well either is the relatively lack of supply spoilage. SYDNEY/BRISBANE et al had the warehousing facilities to accomodate the storage of supplies needed in the coming offensives...DARWIN did not.

Tree I've heard of a lot of limitations , but a "warehouse gap"? The US had a solution for that...it's called a large quonset hut. They were used for everything from indoor training facilities (Great Lakes had one when I went to Basic in the late 70's...I saw over a thousand recruits exercising in there at once) to warehouses,motor pools and even hangers.
.

When I worked in the Museum on Guam we had boxes and boxes of photo's of Guam. Many of them showed this small island of less than 20k and only 200 troops turn into a massive floating ware house that supported the 3rd and 7th fleets,SUBPAC, the 20th and 21st Air Force and over half a million troops. That from a small , mountainous jungle covered island and in less than a few months.

I find it inconceivable that there would be any problem turning large,flat, barren areas of space into large "ware house districts" as was done on Guam, in North Africa and even in the UK .Docks, floating drydocks, various water tenders and support craft could rapidly turn Darwin into a rough , quick , Mega base.....if it had been so desired. I have absolutely no doubt that This could happen if it was considered inportant.

In 1944 and 1945 sure in 1942 no. Oh I certainly can agree with that.I wasn't planning on a bomber/general offensive till 1943..equivalent to the 8th AF in Europe. My thought is it's easier for me to Hold the bases in 1943....then retake it in 1943. And if I can bleed the Japanese in the meanwhile all the better.

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What I was wondering was how to defend Darwin while under attack and build it up till it was capable of defending it's self. And I wondered if it was at all possible to build up a supply route through the outback , overland from Alice Springs (Where the railroad ends, and the base can be built up to a pretty big base itself) through Tennnant Creek and Katherine. Alas , the answer is no. I CAN march troops (very slowly) overland from there. And I can do a "Berlin Airlift/Flying the Hump" type airlift for limited supplies.But that's it.

It appears that the key to holding Darwin and turning it into a mega base is 1st holding Timor. I'll be testing this in my game with "Satisfaction" (yes Andrew, go ahead and read this.....). Hold those small airbases, and Darwin doesn't come under ESCORTED air attack , so defense is quite possible.

But again , I'd like to thank everyone who responded , you've been VERY helpfull and given me a great deal to ponder.....and find a way around the limitations.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Uff, that green text is not working very well! Slightly drunk but still! I vote for a ban on all bright colors!

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

Tree I've heard of a lot of limitations , but a "warehouse gap"?

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Storage facilities at the Australian bases
varied appreciably in serviceability. During
1942 commercial space of all sorts was employed.
Quartermaster requirements for
storage space were then much smaller than
they later became, but at this time suitable
warehouses were so scarce that supplies were
even kept in empty shops, garages, social
centers–in fact, in almost any available
space. During 1943 an extensive leasing and
construction program provided substantial
quantities of Quartermaster covered space
in the Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane
base areas. In January 1944, when storage
operations in Australia were at their
peak, the Corps utilized more warehouse
space than any other branch of the Army,
occupying 3,175,000 square feet, or 43.7
percent of the 8,506,000 square feet employed
by the Air Forces and the technical
services.10

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Uff, that green text is not working very well! Slightly drunk but still! I vote for a ban on all bright colors!

Sorry about that. I changed to a darker color. Any better?

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ORIGINAL: Chris H

Put the AUS command HQ in Alice. Set supply in Alice to max. This will then get to Katherine and beyond when needed but it is down a dirt track. Katherine should be set to stockpile.

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ORIGINAL: Skyros
This may help

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