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ORIGINAL: brian brian
Just one simple thing - skipping a request for intercept when a naval force simply leaves port and stops in the first sea zone, as is done in face-to-face play - would speed things up. Any little thing to improve the speed of play is something that would ultimately make the game more popular.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

sure, there are times when there is a reason to ask. but there are times not to ask. if each side has six CLs and several more heavy ships in the West Med already, who cares? sometimes, the answer is 100% obvious. so if you could turn that on and off, that would be great. if you really want World in Flames to be played over a computer by a lot of people, using the computer to smooth the process some would definitely help. the game system has so many hang points already. If the Brits, French, Germans and Italians all go to sparring in the Med, do you really want all four Major Powers to be online simultaneously just to do naval movement?

later in the game, when there are well over a thousand pieces in play, do you really care about the third Bounce Combat generated out of a big air battle to ground strike a key river line hex? I know, Bounce Combat not part of MWiF yet. but I hope MWiF is eventually used to improve the game.

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ORIGINAL: bo

We all got off of the original post sad sad sad, lets go back to it I like to hear the comments and feelings of where we are, where we want to go and will we ever make it, speak your mind not what you think other posters want to hear, not that I feel you would ever do that

Bo

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: bo

We all got off of the original post sad sad sad, lets go back to it I like to hear the comments and feelings of where we are, where we want to go and will we ever make it, speak your mind not what you think other posters want to hear, not that I feel you would ever do that

Bo

Where we are?
That's easy: we have a game which is roughly working the way it should in solitair and hot seat. It has still fatal bugs in it which are getting cleared slowly (very slowly) in those modes. However, the basic game isn't even finished for those modes of play. Netplay is slowly, but surely being worked on too. The rest is waiting in the mothballs, where on some items work has already been done where on others there is nothing coded.
Will we ever make it?
I don't know. That's a crystal ball for me. If Steve were a 30 year old programmer in good health, I would say yes. But he isn't. So let's hope Steve stays around for a long time and his health will improve (he's working on that).
But it will still take a long, long time before everything will be ready, even with a healthy Steve around. There is so much work left in this game.
Where is a second programmer when you need him (or her)? But there aren't resources for that available...

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: bo

We all got off of the original post sad sad sad, lets go back to it I like to hear the comments and feelings of where we are, where we want to go and will we ever make it, speak your mind not what you think other posters want to hear, not that I feel you would ever do that

Bo

Where we are?
That's easy: we have a game which is roughly working the way it should in solitair and hot seat. It has still fatal bugs in it which are getting cleared slowly (very slowly) in those modes. However, the basic game isn't even finished for those modes of play. Netplay is slowly, but surely being worked on too. The rest is waiting in the mothballs, where on some items work has already been done where on others there is nothing coded.
Will we ever make it?
I don't know. That's a crystal ball for me. If Steve were a 30 year old programmer in good health, I would say yes. But he isn't. So let's hope Steve stays around for a long time and his health will improve (he's working on that).
But it will still take a long, long time before everything will be ready, even with a healthy Steve around. There is so much work left in this game.
Where is a second programmer when you need him (or her)? But there aren't resources for that available...

Ah we are back on track, thank you centuur, I think

Bo

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ORIGINAL: jc4751
As a professional dev, I would probably take a look at the WiF ruleset and maybe take a different approach from what Steve did, but that's under the hood. And, he's the one who decided to pick this beast up and run with it, and my hat's off to him for that. He also has a lot of experience under his belt, and it's not a field anyone stays in if they aren't any good. They get weeded out, eventually. I'm sure he'd like to have help, but it's damn difficult to get help for what is essentially a project of passion.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

Are you feeling depressed Bo? Or do you have Beta forum inside knowledge to make me cry?

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ORIGINAL: jc4751

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: bo

We all got off of the original post sad sad sad, lets go back to it I like to hear the comments and feelings of where we are, where we want to go and will we ever make it, speak your mind not what you think other posters want to hear, not that I feel you would ever do that

Bo

Where we are?
That's easy: we have a game which is roughly working the way it should in solitair and hot seat. It has still fatal bugs in it which are getting cleared slowly (very slowly) in those modes. However, the basic game isn't even finished for those modes of play. Netplay is slowly, but surely being worked on too. The rest is waiting in the mothballs, where on some items work has already been done where on others there is nothing coded.
Will we ever make it?
I don't know. That's a crystal ball for me. If Steve were a 30 year old programmer in good health, I would say yes. But he isn't. So let's hope Steve stays around for a long time and his health will improve (he's working on that).
But it will still take a long, long time before everything will be ready, even with a healthy Steve around. There is so much work left in this game.
Where is a second programmer when you need him (or her)? But there aren't resources for that available...

Ah we are back on track, thank you centuur, I think

Bo

I don't want to start a flame war, but to be honest, this thread is starting to sound like a thread to take some shots at Steve over the quality and future of the game. It's one thing to have some concerns about shelling out some money, and what the state of the game is going to be in a few years, but it sounds like you're intentionally looking for the bad side of where things stand.

I'm planning to buy the game whenever the IRS decides to let me have my own money back. As I said before, I have my own thoughts on the state of things. But, I would also guess that, unlike a lot of people posting here, I've been a lifelong hardcore gamer, and am used to dealing with what is utter garbage hitting the market, vaporware, cash grabs, early access games that never really make it, and so on. Go drop $15 on Starbound and ask yourself where the game is in that turkey. Or $10 on Project Zomboid and see a game that's a real development train wreck. Maybe Quarantine, which had a bug in it that you didn't find until the game was almost completed. Or Minecraft, where the world I'd been working on with my son got completely hosed after a month or two of play. Part of the reason I mostly spend my spare time game coding is simply because I've gotten burned out on the current state of the PC gaming market, and would rather create than play.

As a professional dev, I would probably take a look at the WiF ruleset and maybe take a different approach from what Steve did, but that's under the hood. And, he's the one who decided to pick this beast up and run with it, and my hat's off to him for that. He also has a lot of experience under his belt, and it's not a field anyone stays in if they aren't any good. They get weeded out, eventually. I'm sure he'd like to have help, but it's damn difficult to get help for what is essentially a project of passion.

I dunno. That's my own two cents. Keep on coding, Steve, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this beast soon.

(edit -- another awesome bug was in the very last mission of the PC port of GTAIV -- clearly, no one in their QA department ever bothered to test the whole game all the way through and find out a human being can't mash a space bar 100 times a second)

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ORIGINAL: jc4751
I would also guess that, unlike a lot of people posting here, I've been a lifelong hardcore gamer...

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: jc4751

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: bo

We all got off of the original post sad sad sad, lets go back to it I like to hear the comments and feelings of where we are, where we want to go and will we ever make it, speak your mind not what you think other posters want to hear, not that I feel you would ever do that

Bo

Where we are?
That's easy: we have a game which is roughly working the way it should in solitair and hot seat. It has still fatal bugs in it which are getting cleared slowly (very slowly) in those modes. However, the basic game isn't even finished for those modes of play. Netplay is slowly, but surely being worked on too. The rest is waiting in the mothballs, where on some items work has already been done where on others there is nothing coded.
Will we ever make it?
I don't know. That's a crystal ball for me. If Steve were a 30 year old programmer in good health, I would say yes. But he isn't. So let's hope Steve stays around for a long time and his health will improve (he's working on that).
But it will still take a long, long time before everything will be ready, even with a healthy Steve around. There is so much work left in this game.
Where is a second programmer when you need him (or her)? But there aren't resources for that available...

Ah we are back on track, thank you centuur, I think

Bo

I don't want to start a flame war, but to be honest, this thread is starting to sound like a thread to take some shots at Steve over the quality and future of the game. It's one thing to have some concerns about shelling out some money, and what the state of the game is going to be in a few years, but it sounds like you're intentionally looking for the bad side of where things stand.

I'm planning to buy the game whenever the IRS decides to let me have my own money back. As I said before, I have my own thoughts on the state of things. But, I would also guess that, unlike a lot of people posting here, I've been a lifelong hardcore gamer, and am used to dealing with what is utter garbage hitting the market, vaporware, cash grabs, early access games that never really make it, and so on. Go drop $15 on Starbound and ask yourself where the game is in that turkey. Or $10 on Project Zomboid and see a game that's a real development train wreck. Maybe Quarantine, which had a bug in it that you didn't find until the game was almost completed. Or Minecraft, where the world I'd been working on with my son got completely hosed after a month or two of play. Part of the reason I mostly spend my spare time game coding is simply because I've gotten burned out on the current state of the PC gaming market, and would rather create than play.

As a professional dev, I would probably take a look at the WiF ruleset and maybe take a different approach from what Steve did, but that's under the hood. And, he's the one who decided to pick this beast up and run with it, and my hat's off to him for that. He also has a lot of experience under his belt, and it's not a field anyone stays in if they aren't any good. They get weeded out, eventually. I'm sure he'd like to have help, but it's damn difficult to get help for what is essentially a project of passion.

I dunno. That's my own two cents. Keep on coding, Steve, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this beast soon.

(edit -- another awesome bug was in the very last mission of the PC port of GTAIV -- clearly, no one in their QA department ever bothered to test the whole game all the way through and find out a human being can't mash a space bar 100 times a second)

You will not start a flame war jc4751 we have had enough of them, wish you would post more though as you seem to make sense You said that you have not purchased the game yet, but the game has been out one and a half years and surely if you felt the game was right you would have found the money some wheres to play this computerized version of the board game WIF

But just maybe you should talk to some of the people here who plunked down $100 US and a lot more depending what country the game was sent to, to play a game which was released unplayable

I sat and thought about your comment "taking shots at Steve" and that truly bothered me, I had to ask myself if I am doing that. In around about way I guess I am but do not want to because he is all we got. I know how I feel and wanted to see how other posters felt. I let my feelings be known on many other posts other then sad sad sad.

I took my shots [arguments] on the beta forums at Steve but rarely got an answer as he is too much of a gentlemen to get into a word brawl with me. Most of it was over communications and the AI not being done first, rarely over programming which I have no knowledge of.

My passion is the forums, where anyone can express their opinions whether positive or negative about the state of MWIF. I personally love the give and take as expressed by all the members here.

Several months before the release of MWIF the forums were, well lets just say kind of dead, I admit it upset me as most of the interested people had left, I then asked Steve if I could do a minor AAR on Guadalcanal and he said yes.

Was it a good AAR I am not sure but the forums lit up like a Christmas tree and inspired me when I finished that AAR to do the "Fall Gelb" Fascist Tide scenario. Other members of the beta team started AAR's and the Forums bloomed with comments and interest. I was happier than a pig eating ****

In these last several months most of the people are again gone, they want to get on with their life, other games, family matters etc. When warspite posted "sad, sad, sad" the forums came alive slightly, it showed me the feelings of a lot of posters from down in the dumps, to Steve please complete this game.

It made me feel good to see some people were still around, it did not matter to me whether they criticized Steve, Matrix, or praised Steve for all his effort or Matrix for keeping the game on their books, it was people posting again, I want the game finished whenever possible, and with netplay, the AI, hotseat and possibly PBEM done and done right.

I cannot express my feelings anymore than what I just posted, I have no animosity against Steve, Erik or Matrix, none, how could I as they want the game completed as much as I do. But in the end I just want to play MWIF!

Bo

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ORIGINAL: bo

I see centuur, but If I made up a list of all the players who do not post everyday or once a week compared to the way they used to post I think I might have a point, the posts are dead

Bo

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

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ORIGINAL: bo

I see centuur, but If I made up a list of all the players who do not post everyday or once a week compared to the way they used to post I think I might have a point, the posts are dead

Bo

Are people really supposed to keep posting with the same frequency over time, forever? When something is new to you you will have a lot of questions and comments. As time goes on those are answered, so no need to post them again.

I will say that there are not a lot of new posters, which suggests that there are not a lot of new sales, which, given the state of the game, is hardly surprising.

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

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ORIGINAL: bo

I see centuur, but If I made up a list of all the players who do not post everyday or once a week compared to the way they used to post I think I might have a point, the posts are dead

Bo

Are people really supposed to keep posting with the same frequency over time, forever? When something is new to you you will have a lot of questions and comments. As time goes on those are answered, so no need to post them again.

I will say that there are not a lot of new posters, which suggests that there are not a lot of new sales, which, given the state of the game, is hardly surprising.

I did not start this post I was just agreeing with warspites sad sad sad post. Everything he said in his initial post and follow up posts are correct and that is why I agree with him. Please reread them as they are well said.

Please RickInVA [go Cav's] this comment is in no way disrespectful to you, but you have posted 51 times over 4 years so I agree with your comment from your number of posts but the posters that I am talking about have thousands of posts, many posts three, four or even ten times a day.

You come into the forums ask a question get your answer and leave as do many other posters which is okay with me, But the people I am talking about are dedicated MWIF and WIF posters and they are rarely on anymore. Good lord maybe I am wrong but it is just the way I see it.

Bo

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

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ORIGINAL: bo

I see centuur, but If I made up a list of all the players who do not post everyday or once a week compared to the way they used to post I think I might have a point, the posts are dead

Bo

Are people really supposed to keep posting with the same frequency over time, forever? When something is new to you you will have a lot of questions and comments. As time goes on those are answered, so no need to post them again.

I will say that there are not a lot of new posters, which suggests that there are not a lot of new sales, which, given the state of the game, is hardly surprising.

I did not start this post I was just agreeing with warspites sad sad sad post. Everything he said in his initial post and follow up posts are correct and that is why I agree with him. Please reread them as they are well said.

Please RickInVA [go Cav's] this comment is in no way disrespectful to you, but you have posted 51 times over 4 years so I agree with your comment from your number of posts but the posters that I am talking about have thousands of posts, many posts three, four or even ten times a day.

You come into the forums ask a question get your answer and leave as do many other posters which is okay with me, But the people I am talking about are dedicated MWIF and WIF posters and they are rarely on anymore. Good lord maybe I am wrong but it is just the way I see it.

Bo

No disrespect taken! While I may not post so often, I visit this site almost every day and read almost all the posts and AARs. I don't often feel the need to chime in my two cents worth. Often all one gets for that is grief, so I spare myself that. Also don't generally feel the need to make an agreeing post when someone else already made my point (or something close to it).

I take your point about the mega posters (although I didn't read the OP that way myself), but doesn't the point of diminishing returns apply there too? Even if you will make 20 posts on a topic where I would only make 1, there still has to be a topic. If there is nothing new to talk about (i.e. developments in the game), then why would people post? While MWiF is certainly not in its end-state, it is a mature game from a release date - current date perspective.

I'm certainly not trying to be disagreeable, but I do wonder what level of activity would have avoided the "sad, sad, sad" to begin with, and how likely that level of activity is. While not saying this is the case, if you have an unreasonable expectation you are likely to be frequently disappointed.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: jc4751
I would also guess that, unlike a lot of people posting here, I've been a lifelong hardcore gamer...

Uh, OK, not sure why you think that most people who bought this game aren't hardcore gamers? Who do you think would spend this much on a game? Maybe I'd take your opinion more seriously if you'd bought the game, much less about it a year and half ago, upon release, like many of us.

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You will not start a flame war jc4751 we have had enough of them, wish you would post more though as you seem to make sense You said that you have not purchased the game yet, but the game has been out one and a half years and surely if you felt the game was right you would have found the money some wheres to play this computerized version of the board game WIF

But just maybe you should talk to some of the people here who plunked down $100 US and a lot more depending what country the game was sent to, to play a game which was released unplayable

I sat and thought about your comment "taking shots at Steve" and that truly bothered me, I had to ask myself if I am doing that. In around about way I guess I am but do not want to because he is all we got. I know how I feel and wanted to see how other posters felt. I let my feelings be known on many other posts other then sad sad sad.

I took my shots [arguments] on the beta forums at Steve but rarely got an answer as he is too much of a gentlemen to get into a word brawl with me. Most of it was over communications and the AI not being done first, rarely over programming which I have no knowledge of.

My passion is the forums, where anyone can express their opinions whether positive or negative about the state of MWIF. I personally love the give and take as expressed by all the members here.

Several months before the release of MWIF the forums were, well lets just say kind of dead, I admit it upset me as most of the interested people had left, I then asked Steve if I could do a minor AAR on Guadalcanal and he said yes.

Was it a good AAR I am not sure but the forums lit up like a Christmas tree and inspired me when I finished that AAR to do the "Fall Gelb" Fascist Tide scenario. Other members of the beta team started AAR's and the Forums bloomed with comments and interest. I was happier than a pig eating ****

In these last several months most of the people are again gone, they want to get on with their life, other games, family matters etc. When warspite posted "sad, sad, sad" the forums came alive slightly, it showed me the feelings of a lot of posters from down in the dumps, to Steve please complete this game.

It made me feel good to see some people were still around, it did not matter to me whether they criticized Steve, Matrix, or praised Steve for all his effort or Matrix for keeping the game on their books, it was people posting again, I want the game finished whenever possible, and with netplay, the AI, hotseat and possibly PBEM done and done right.

I cannot express my feelings anymore than what I just posted, I have no animosity against Steve, Erik or Matrix, none, how could I as they want the game completed as much as I do. But in the end I just want to play MWIF!

Bo

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

I take your point about the mega posters (although I didn't read the OP that way myself), but doesn't the point of diminishing returns apply there too? Even if you will make 20 posts on a topic where I would only make 1, there still has to be a topic. If there is nothing new to talk about (i.e. developments in the game), then why would people post? While MWiF is certainly not in its end-state, it is a mature game from a release date - current date perspective.

I'm certainly not trying to be disagreeable, but I do wonder what level of activity would have avoided the "sad, sad, sad" to begin with, and how likely that level of activity is. While not saying this is the case, if you have an unreasonable expectation you are likely to be frequently disappointed.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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Does that disqualify me from being able to comment on the situation, the way I see it? If so, fine, and I'll go back to lurking.

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Sure, I'd like to already be playing the game. I don't have the dinero yet. Does that disqualify me from being able to comment on the situation, the way I see it? If so, fine, and I'll go back to lurking.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

I take your point about the mega posters (although I didn't read the OP that way myself), but doesn't the point of diminishing returns apply there too? Even if you will make 20 posts on a topic where I would only make 1, there still has to be a topic. If there is nothing new to talk about (i.e. developments in the game), then why would people post? While MWiF is certainly not in its end-state, it is a mature game from a release date - current date perspective.

I'm certainly not trying to be disagreeable, but I do wonder what level of activity would have avoided the "sad, sad, sad" to begin with, and how likely that level of activity is. While not saying this is the case, if you have an unreasonable expectation you are likely to be frequently disappointed.

warspite1

I am totally flumoxed by this post

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

I take your point about the mega posters (although I didn't read the OP that way myself), but doesn't the point of diminishing returns apply there too? Even if you will make 20 posts on a topic where I would only make 1, there still has to be a topic. If there is nothing new to talk about (i.e. developments in the game), then why would people post? While MWiF is certainly not in its end-state, it is a mature game from a release date - current date perspective.

I'm certainly not trying to be disagreeable, but I do wonder what level of activity would have avoided the "sad, sad, sad" to begin with, and how likely that level of activity is. While not saying this is the case, if you have an unreasonable expectation you are likely to be frequently disappointed.

warspite1

I am totally flumoxed by this post

Warspite,

I'm trying to go back to your original post. You feel that there is not a lot of activity on the board. My point is, that for there to be activity, there has to be a reason for activity. Given the amount of time that the game has been out, and the slow pace of improvements, maybe there just isn't anything to talk about (that hasn't already been talked to death itself), so few posts.

My query is, how much activity would there need to be that you wouldn't feel that the board is dead? And the follow up to that, is that level, whatever that might be, reasonable. Or to put it another way, from an activity perspective, what would make you happy?

More posts don't necessarily mean a better discussion, which is why I generally don't post, and am seriously regretting saying anything at all.

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and am seriously regretting saying anything at all.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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But that is entirely my fault, and not that of you or other subsequent posters

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and am seriously regretting saying anything at all.

Yep, I know that feeling . Cannot believe that the thread has been so totally and utterly misunderstood by some. But that is entirely my fault, and not that of you or other subsequent posters, because I wrote the OP too quickly and as an emotional outpouring and was thus not sufficiently measured to ensure what I was trying to convey came across.

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But that is entirely my fault, and not that of you or other subsequent posters

Here in Castle Matrix, we have but one punishment for writing OPs too quickly. Bo, you must... oh, nevermind.