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Name This One - 4/10/2015 4:37:35 AM   
guytipton41


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This picture caused me a double take. What could it be? I'll be surprised if it takes the experten more than five minutes.

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 4:51:24 AM   
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The problem is the picture you posted is the first one that comes up in google if you search for B-24 with B-17 nose

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 5:14:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was going to say it looked like a B-24 with a B-17G Nose assembly. I do have to wonder just what exactly they intended to accomplish with such a modification though.

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 5:20:35 AM   
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One of the more remarkable examples of a modified B-24J was one upon which was grafted the complete nose of a B-17G in an attempt to improve the forward visibility. Only one such example was produced. s/n 42=73130

They were trying to increase to forward defensive firepower.

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 5:20:54 AM   
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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 5:36:56 AM   
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From the files of Joe Baugher

One of the more remarkable examples of a modified B-24J was one upon which was grafted the complete nose of a B-17G in an attempt to improve the forward visibility. Only one such example was produced. s/n 42=73130

They were trying to increase to forward defensive firepower.


Which makes sense seeing that the Germans learned to attack the bomber formations from the front.

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 1:21:56 PM   
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From the files of Joe Baugher

One of the more remarkable examples of a modified B-24J was one upon which was grafted the complete nose of a B-17G in an attempt to improve the forward visibility. Only one such example was produced. s/n 42=73130

They were trying to increase to forward defensive firepower.


Which makes sense seeing that the Germans learned to attack the bomber formations from the front.

According to Saburo Sakai, the Japanese also learned this, against B 17's..Ironic, huh?

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 6:04:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was still safer than trying to catch them from behind. Fewer guns in the front (hence the major upgrades of the B17 nose) plus much less time spent in the sights of the guns.

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 10:10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Though the B-24J already had a nose turret, which was probably why the B-17 nose idea was abandoned. The B-24 nose turret was probably about equally as good as the chin turret, if not better. The guns were directly sighted by the guy in the turret on the B-24.

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RE: Name This One - 4/10/2015 11:28:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: m10bob


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From the files of Joe Baugher

One of the more remarkable examples of a modified B-24J was one upon which was grafted the complete nose of a B-17G in an attempt to improve the forward visibility. Only one such example was produced. s/n 42=73130

They were trying to increase to forward defensive firepower.


Which makes sense seeing that the Germans learned to attack the bomber formations from the front.

According to Saburo Sakai, the Japanese also learned this, against B 17's..Ironic, huh?


Just read "Fortress in the Pacific." All about the B-17 from the PI to So Pac. Highly recommended!

The B-17s in the Pacific were first C-D models. Then the most plentiful were the E. As we know a pitiful few F replacements arrive in 42. Then there is nothing. So the G with the chin turret didn't fight in the Pacific until 45, and then only a handful, mostly generals' private aircraft.

The Japanese had a ton of respect for the B-17, and yes, learned to fight it from the front. Especially the C-D models which were eventually field modified to get more defense up there. Some even put a fixed forward 50 cal and shot down a few Japanese fighters who came in directly ahead, probably thinking the guns usually poked out the sides of the nose.

This book also talks a lot about the B-17 skip bombing program (which was actually really successful! ), night bombing against Japanese airfields (which was of special interest to me ) and frequent use against ground troops to soften up an area before invasion or a planned attack. I learned a ton.

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RE: Name This One - 4/11/2015 3:47:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

From the files of Joe Baugher

One of the more remarkable examples of a modified B-24J was one upon which was grafted the complete nose of a B-17G in an attempt to improve the forward visibility. Only one such example was produced. s/n 42=73130

They were trying to increase to forward defensive firepower.


Which makes sense seeing that the Germans learned to attack the bomber formations from the front.

According to Saburo Sakai, the Japanese also learned this, against B 17's..Ironic, huh?


. . . increased forward defensive power is all the more reason for a frontal approach!


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RE: Name This One - 4/12/2015 3:48:11 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 4/12/2015 5:15:57 PM   
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Lol, reminds me of this project:



Spit with a Daimler..

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RE: Name This One - 4/13/2015 4:13:51 AM   
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RE: Name This One - 7/9/2015 5:02:21 AM   
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RE: Name This One - 7/9/2015 8:02:15 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 6:09:36 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:27:59 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:49:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's one for the small arms people. I can't say if this is an authentic WWII pic, but I dimly remember researching this rifle once. I believe the Royal Gurkhas used it at one time. You can see the handle on the side that flips up for carrying. The stock is/was some kind of composite or plastic and there's a metal cap on the butt. There's a pistol grip and the magazine sticks straight down. It is not curved but is slightly angled on the bottom (not square). It has no boot where the magazine goes in, it just goes straight into the stock. What is it?





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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:50:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks like a Spanish cruiser being salvaged after the Spanish American war. I'm not sure which one.

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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:50:47 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:51:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The rifle looks like a FN FAL. The soldiers kit is US. I'm guessing he's NATO in the late 1950's.

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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:51:55 PM   
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It looks like a Spanish cruiser being salvaged after the Spanish American war. I'm not sure which one.


It's Mandarin, note the dragon on the bow.

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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:53:08 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:53:55 PM   
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Here's a pic of Gurkhas with what I believe is the same type rifle.




Most of Europe and south America used that rifle. If they didn't use M-1's, M-14's or something of Soviet origin , that's what they used. The Gurka's used that piece till fairly recently. Replced by the SA-80 I believe.

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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:54:55 PM   
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It looks like a Spanish cruiser being salvaged after the Spanish American war. I'm not sure which one.


It's Mandarin, not the dragon on the bow.

Your right, then it was one of the ships from the SinoJapanese war?

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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:56:24 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:57:43 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 7:59:18 PM   
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RE: Name This One - 8/5/2015 8:00:40 PM   
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Here's one of that type of rifle, though the handle's on the left side.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL

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