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Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 1:10:35 PM

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Interesting article. I still struggle to imagine the sheer size of these huge inland waterways - the idea that there can be storms that sink ships on an inland sea is something I have difficulty getting my head around.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3046791/Long-forgotten-shipwrecks-Lake-Michigan-revealed-unusually-clear-waters-shed-light-lies-beneath-surface.html

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 1:26:36 PM

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It gets rough out there.

One day I was on the shores of Lake Superior during rough seas. The noise on the beach was deafening from the waves.

I do miss watching the ships when I lived up there.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 1:30:11 PM

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quote:

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It gets rough out there.

One day I was on the shores of Lake Superior during rough seas. The noise on the beach was deafening from the waves.

I do miss watching the ships when I lived up there.

warspite1

That is what I am talking about - look at the size of that mutha - on a lake! Nature is truly incredible, and the world a beautiful place - I have to visit at least one of these before I drop off this mortal coil...

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 1:47:41 PM

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The Great Lakes are truly a wonder of the world...they are like small oceans!

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 2:00:12 PM

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It might help to visualize just how large the Great Lakes are when you know that they cover a area that is slightly larger than the entire UK.

The Great Lakes: 244,106 square kilometre
UK: 243,610 square kilometre

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 2:27:02 PM

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Those 1000' lakers are too big to leave the Great Lakes

Always a treat to see them when I lived up north.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 2:49:12 PM

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I've seen that one tied up in Duluth plenty of times.

Sault St Marie is also worth a visit.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 3:09:31 PM

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Not to forget the SS Edmond Fitzgerald that sank in 1975 in one of the Great Lakes (Superior?) with the loss of all lives.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 3:17:07 PM

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I've seen that one tied up in Duluth plenty of times.

Sault St Marie is also worth a visit.

Agreed! The Soo Locks are VERY impressive.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 7:37:45 PM

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quote:

the idea that there can be storms that sink ships on an inland sea is something I have difficulty getting my head around.

You share that difficulty with Rudyard Kipling:

Fresh water has no right or call to dip over the horizon, pulling down and pushing up the hulls of big steamers, no right to tread the slow, deep sea dance-step between wrinkled cliffs; nor to roar in on weed and sand beaches between vast headlands that run out for leagues into bays and sea fog. Lake Superior � engulfs and wrecks and drives ashore like a fully accredited ocean�-a hideous thing to find in the heart of a continent.

Rudyard Kipling, Letters of Travel

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 9:40:29 PM

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At least if you're shipwrecked, you can still drink.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 10:56:44 PM

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They used small escort carriers in WW2 as training carriers on the Great Lakes and there were many crashed and pilot fatalities due to pilot navigation errors and bad weather.

It is neat that a lake could simulate the Pacific and serve for water navigation.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 11:02:27 PM

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Lake Michigan, makes Chicago livable during the summer heat. Those breezes are just wonderful. But noticeable is the fish smell (if your on the beach0 from all the dead fish.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 11:09:27 PM

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Was born in Chicago and visited my Dad their. Think less lake and more inland sea. I've been on the shore at a resteraunt and watched waves in a thunderstorm come crashing over the rock walls at least 15 feet or more. They were as fierce as anything I've seen here on the CT/RI shore.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 11:31:21 PM

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One time I was visiting Canada. I was in one of the plains provinces staying on a farm. The farmer had 2 lovely daughters who were about 18 and 20 or so.

He commented that neither daughter had ever seen the ocean!

At the time I was astonished!

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/20/2015 11:35:26 PM

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Which of the two daughters did you marry.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/21/2015 12:16:06 AM

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OMG, a farmer's daughter joke without a punchline.

When I lived in Michigan we use to go up North to my friends cottage and watch the freighters going by on their way to the Soo locks. My friend use to be a deck hand on the freighters until the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking. He got out and joined the US Engineers who surveyed and dredged the Great Lakes. He eventually became a Captain.

Here's a picture of the Edmund Fitzgerald. They ring it's bell every November 11th at the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.

It's hard to believe how big those ships are until you get close and see them navigate those small channels up near the Soo.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/21/2015 1:24:13 AM

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That picture shows a warped hull. I'm sure that's a photographic error.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/21/2015 1:36:23 AM

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My father sailed on the lakes from the time he was 18 until about 5 years before he passed. Went from deckhand to ships Captain and then as a ships Pilot on lake Ontario. He had plenty of stories and said the lake that always scared him the most was lake Erie. Its so shallow and broad storms whip the lake up very quickly and if your in a small boat it can get quite dangerous. I remember a picture of him in the Port Colborne newspaper launching a ships lifeboat to go rescue some fishermen who got chucked into the water because of such a storm.

Looking at some of the pictures I remember as a young teen accompanying him on some of his pilot harbour moves and steering some of those big ships. Quite an experience for a 14 year old.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/21/2015 11:24:43 AM

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quote:

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They used small escort carriers in WW2 as training carriers on the Great Lakes and there were many crashed and pilot fatalities due to pilot navigation errors and bad weather.

It is neat that a lake could simulate the Pacific and serve for water navigation.

Not escort carriers per se. Two Great Lakes side-wheel steamers were converted to dedicated training carriers, operating out of Chicago on Lake Michigan. USS Wolverine IX-43 and USS Sable IX-81. Lifted this pic of Sable from NavSource.

Safe to say they won't be showing up in WITP-AE.

Nice thing about the fresh water is that planes that went in there are beautifully preserved. I know of an F4F-3, and a Midway veteran SBD-2 were both pulled out and restored. The Wildcat is flying and I've seen it at Oshkosh. I think the SB2U at the Naval Air Museum came out of there too.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/21/2015 11:07:41 PM

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Superior they said never gives up her dead when the skies in November turn gloomy.

I've been out on the ocean in a lobster boat during some really choppy weather. It's no fun. We were out there for about a 5 day lobster taking trip and the owner gets on the horn to us saying a gale is coming our way and to get in as much work as we could. So, we worked about 22 hours straight, and the only reason they pulled us in was because they said I almost went over the side. I don't remember much of the last 2-3 hours.

So, then the gale turned off and we were able to stay out, but the seas got up around 8-10 feet and those traps were flying all over the deck.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/21/2015 11:57:24 PM

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Here is a link to a music video of Gordon Lightfoot's "The Sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald". It has excellent videos of the history of the ship and, if your into folk/CW music, Gordon Lightfoot's is fantastic. And yes H Gilmer, it contains the quote about Superior's ghosts.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=gordon%20lightfoot%20edmund%20fitzgeralf&FORM=BB07LB&PC=BB07&QS=n

Below is a picture of the Edmund Fitzgerald's bell restored and now hanging in the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/22/2015 11:26:25 PM

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Here is a link to a music video of Gordon Lightfoot's "The Sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald". It has excellent videos of the history of the ship and, if your into folk/CW music, Gordon Lightfoot's is fantastic. And yes H Gilmer, it contains the quote about Superior's ghosts.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=gordon%20lightfoot%20edmund%20fitzgeralf&FORM=BB07LB&PC=BB07&QS=n

Below is a picture of the Edmund Fitzgerald's bell restored and now hanging in the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.

I guess I should have credited him with the line, but we're all friends here and I knew most would know he had sung that. Sorry about that.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/23/2015 3:20:31 AM

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That is an awesome song. Love the verse where it says 'Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours'.

He is a lyrical genius exemplified also in If You Can Read My Mind.

EDIT: Thanks for the story dazoline II. Sounds like the man left a lasting mark on you concerning his job.

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RE: Great Lakes - 4/25/2015 8:07:02 AM

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