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RE: 1944 June 28 - 4/23/2015 11:04:11 PM

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In general, I have surface combat TFs at the moment that are on the smaller side. This is partly because they are doing double duty as bombardment TFs, and the need to go back and rearm conflicts with my desire to keep up frequent bombardments. My solution/compromise is to make smaller TFs so they are more numerous, allowing me to bombard on more turns. There are usually 2 or 3 principal ships with the CA and CL, but the old BB are 1 to a TF. Pearl Harbor was nasty in this game, so I have fewer old BBs than in some games.

For real surface combat I prefer anywhere from 2 to 4 principals. More is OK, but everything depends on matching the ships. Speed first, guns second. Mixing say, BBs and cruisers is not so efficient in the game, not sure how that compares with RL.

Also at night larger TFs seem to be less efficient and more vulnerable. Around 8 ships total has been mentioned as a solid number for TFs that might run into something at night.

There does seem to be historical precedent for that.

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RE: 1944 June 28 - 4/24/2015 5:50:18 AM

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It actually does make sense, apart from historical precedents. At night, without all the modern sensors and facilitations, the risks of collisions and mistakes in general are surely higher and so it makes sense that ships would behave more cautiously, more conservative, and thus be less effective. And the more ships in a task force, the more things to keep track, the more you have to be cautious

Also known as, we never want to say "Uuups captain, we shot our own CV!"

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RE: 1944 June 28 - 4/24/2015 2:04:29 PM

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It actually does make sense, apart from historical precedents. At night, without all the modern sensors and facilitations, the risks of collisions and mistakes in general are surely higher and so it makes sense that ships would behave more cautiously, more conservative, and thus be less effective. And the more ships in a task force, the more things to keep track, the more you have to be cautious

Also known as, we never want to say "Uuups captain, we shot our own CV!"

The British almost did that at Matapan, when their BB battle line turned to engage the Italian cruisers on the left at night, CV Formidable hauled off to starboard to keep clear of the gun action. The overzealous officer in charge of Warspite's starboard 6" guns laid them on Formidable and was ready to fire when he was told, less than politely, to belay that!

The real drawback to the big TF is that it denies many ships the opportunity to engage and complicates maneuver. The van DDs are forever racing to regain their assigned position because a radical turn by the flagship can put them well out of position, as happened at Cape Esperance. And keeping DDs in the gunnery line denies them the chance to do a torpedo attack. USN DDs really started to shine when there were no cruisers or BBs left to escort, so they could operate in nice, compact units of three or four similar ships. This was perfect for the narrow waters between the Solomon Islands.
The game seems to model this nicely, making DD TFs (with working torps) much more effective than their gun power suggests.

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RE: 1944 June 28 - 4/24/2015 4:53:54 PM

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That is very helpful and yet again shows how detailed the modelling in this game is and how it works so well.

I think that may explain my early losses of Australian cruisers to Japanese AMC torpedoes probably would have been better to send in just destroyers.

Thanks guys, off to reconstitute a whole whack of task forces.

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1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 4:16:56 AM

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1944 June 29

The Empire captured:
Culion

The Allies captured:
Dalat

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Our subs came up empty but were involved in a number of brawls.

Quiet in China. Next attack between Tsuyung and Kunming is tomorrow.

Sweeps and air strikes in Burma & over Thailand were action packer. We did much better overall in the sweeps but for one NZ group flying Corsairs against Georges. Many squads in the withdrawing ~90k troops to the SE of Toungoo disabled and some destroyed. Good strikes on the defenders of Rangoon as well.

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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3990 troops, 270 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 4324

Defending force 63138 troops, 337 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 1311

Japanese ground losses:
179 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
192nd Tank Battalion
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
14th LRP Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
14th Indian Division
72nd British Brigade
77th LRP Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
81st (West African) Division
111th LRP Brigade
27th Infantry Division
Gardner's Horse Regiment
18th British Division
Americal Infantry Division
26th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
18th Cavalry Regiment
20th Indian Division
150th RAC Regiment
3rd Cavalry Regiment
5th Indian Division
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
88th Medium Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Division
21st/B Division
114th Infantry Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
63rd Inf Group Brigade
3rd/C Division
9th Division
18th Garrison Unit
19th Division
16th Garrison Unit
3rd/A Division
1st RTA/A Division
1st RTA/B Division
20th AA Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
15th Army
62nd JAAF AF Bn
28th Army
47th Infantry Rgt /1

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After looking at developments, I've decided to have the Allied forces at Rangoon attack tomorrow rather than waiting for the additional troops now on their way. If Rangoon can be broken just a few days sooner that might be the difference between cutting off significant Imperial forces and them making good their escape. We have better than 3 to 1 AV ratio in Rangoon, lots of armor and artillery, and the troops are in good shape.

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

The mystery unit west of Cam Ranh Bay turned out to be a Rgt; their shock attack attempt at a breakout was held off. The crack Betty group(s) that again came to their aid was again roughly handled, this time by Thunderbolts and Hellcats. Out of 18 attacking Bettys, 6 made it to target. Our own raids were opposed by CAP from Saigon but well enough protected. The 503rd and 2/6th will make their own attack tomorrow. One P-47 group will remain on LRCAP while the other sweeps Saigon.

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Ground combat at 62,73 (near Cam Ranh Bay)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4118 troops, 32 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 133

Defending force 2291 troops, 10 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 109

Japanese adjusted assault: 74

Allied adjusted defense: 175

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
32nd/C Division

Defending units:
503rd Parachute Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment

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Dalat is ours and the Imperials sent toward Saigon. All units are pursuing at top speed. The armor will attack as soon as it makes contact.

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Ground combat at Dalat (63,71)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20437 troops, 335 guns, 177 vehicles, Assault Value = 1125

Defending force 7201 troops, 61 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Allied adjusted assault: 395

Japanese adjusted defense: 82

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Dalat !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2950 casualties reported
Squads: 67 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 93 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 20 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 41 (28 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (16 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
187 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
711th Tank Battalion (Just arrived - not in combat)
706th Tank Battalion (Just arrived - not in combat)
1st Australian Division (Just arrived - not in combat)
11th Airborne Division
5th Australian Division
1st Medium Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment (Just arrived - not in combat)

Defending units:
104th/A Division
104th/C Division
109th JAAF AF Bn
113th JAAF AF Bn

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The Empire is apparently landing troops at Tourane. 7 hexes from our CVE and 8 hexes (for advanced experience groups that make a die roll) from our fleet carriers, they met with some disaster.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tourane at 66,65

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 93
SBD-5 Dauntless x 27
TBM-1C Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
xAP Manzyu Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
DD Natsugumo
xAP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
xAP Kitano Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Montevideo Maru
xAP Hoten Maru
xAP Tsingtao Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
353 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
17 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
12 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Manzyu Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Atsuta Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Kitano Maru

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tourane at 66,65

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 17
TBM-1C Avenger x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAP Kitano Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Tsingtao Maru

Japanese ground losses:
276 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Kitano Maru

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tourane at 66,65

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBM-1C Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Tsingtao Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
xAP Montevideo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Kitano Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Manzyu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
2709 casualties reported
Squads: 59 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 108 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 5 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tourane at 66,65

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 7
SBD-3 Dauntless x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAP Atsuta Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tourane at 66,65

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 27
SBD-3 Dauntless x 6
TBM-1C Avenger x 16

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Hoten Maru
xAP Montevideo Maru, and is sunk
DD Natsugumo
xAP Tsingtao Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Montevideo Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Tsingtao Maru

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tourane at 66,65

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 80
SBD-5 Dauntless x 28

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Hoten Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Tsingtao Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
DD Natsugumo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
309 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 30 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
16 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Tsingtao Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Hoten Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Natsugumo

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Over 4,000 ground casualties in these naval strikes!

Soerabaja airfield is now bereft of fighters and heavily damaged. The 2EB will continue hitting the airfield while the 4EB switch to Heavy Industry.

Today's air losses.

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 4:17:29 AM

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Intel - more strategic points! (Not many, but more.)

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 4:17:48 AM

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Nagoya.

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 5:16:45 AM

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Nice going in Vietnam. Seems you will be sieging Saigon soon, and the combats at Dalat went well. You can probably still reach Saigon before he moves any significant opposition there.

Also very nice to see a troop transport TF savaged like that! It certainly helps, and it's good for morale too...

I am really curious to see what kind of opposition your opponent can field in Vietnam/Thailand. Strategically speaking, his position seems to be untenable. If at all possible, I would certainly try to get to Bangkok ASAP. It's entertaining to see this development, because you came to Cam Ranh Bay to get an air field mostly, and now you can perhaps conquer anything that matters in Vietnam and Thailand, and completely cut off Singapore!

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 4:36:25 PM

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The Empire is apparently landing troops at Tourane. 7 hexes from our CVE and 8 hexes (for advanced experience groups that make a die roll) from our fleet carriers, they met with some disaster.

Just to confirm that I read this right, does this mean your fleet carriers launched a strike from 8 hexes? I had been left with the impression that 8-hex strikes were a privilege reserved for the Japanese by means of hard coding. Losing 4,000 troops when his back is already against the wall has to hurt.

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 5:24:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: witpqs
The Empire is apparently landing troops at Tourane. 7 hexes from our CVE and 8 hexes (for advanced experience groups that make a die roll) from our fleet carriers, they met with some disaster.

Just to confirm that I read this right, does this mean your fleet carriers launched a strike from 8 hexes? I had been left with the impression that 8-hex strikes were a privilege reserved for the Japanese by means of hard coding. Losing 4,000 troops when his back is already against the wall has to hurt.

If you find it in the manual, and in posts from developers in the forum you will find that the 7-hex and 8-hex limits are (my words) 'hard-coded with random chance to go farther'. Highly experienced groups get a chance to strike farther. Perhaps even more than one hex farther (but I presume that the chances get vanishingly small with each hex longer range).

In this case, I am not sure which aircraft came from the fleet carriers in the strike(s) where I saw a line emanating from their hex. It might have only been fighters for escort. That would make sense because the fighter pilots from the earlier carriers have been on CAP almost every day for 2.5 years! Some of them started out pretty darn good. Many of them are now light-saber wielding killers.

But yes, your Allied ships can be hit by Imperial carriers strikes at 9 or 10 hexes!

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 5:49:28 PM

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If you find it in the manual, and in posts from developers in the forum you will find that the 7-hex and 8-hex limits are (my words) 'hard-coded with random chance to go farther'. Highly experienced groups get a chance to strike farther. Perhaps even more than one hex farther (but I presume that the chances get vanishingly small with each hex longer range).

In this case, I am not sure which aircraft came from the fleet carriers in the strike(s) where I saw a line emanating from their hex. It might have only been fighters for escort. That would make sense because the fighter pilots from the earlier carriers have been on CAP almost every day for 2.5 years! Some of them started out pretty darn good. Many of them are now light-saber wielding killers.

But yes, your Allied ships can be hit by Imperial carriers strikes at 9 or 10 hexes!

It's nice to know that high pilot experience levels are rewarded with the potential for extra range. Then again, a 10-hex KB strike is the stuff of nightmares. Thanks for the info. I don't recall if I've posted in your AAR before, but it's hugely entertaining to me, and very educational.

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 5:50:25 PM

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Told you he would go for Tourane! Insanity to be there without CAP of some flavor!

For goodness sake, send something to Vinh...you have him on the ropes.

Something, anything, push hard forward. Don't consolidate, don't regroup, go east young man, go east! Damn the torpedoes, and all that stuff...Japan has a tough outer shell, you have broken, now time to exploit!

At least send some 2 or 3 ship destroyer task forces that way. Dart them in and out as far as you dare.

Go, Captain, go!

Were those points at Nagoya from another attack, or from fires still burning?

PS: I guess I sound like a broken record urging the eastern attack. Sorry, can't help myself!

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 6:29:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: WriterNotViking

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ORIGINAL: witpqs
If you find it in the manual, and in posts from developers in the forum you will find that the 7-hex and 8-hex limits are (my words) 'hard-coded with random chance to go farther'. Highly experienced groups get a chance to strike farther. Perhaps even more than one hex farther (but I presume that the chances get vanishingly small with each hex longer range).

In this case, I am not sure which aircraft came from the fleet carriers in the strike(s) where I saw a line emanating from their hex. It might have only been fighters for escort. That would make sense because the fighter pilots from the earlier carriers have been on CAP almost every day for 2.5 years! Some of them started out pretty darn good. Many of them are now light-saber wielding killers.

But yes, your Allied ships can be hit by Imperial carriers strikes at 9 or 10 hexes!

It's nice to know that high pilot experience levels are rewarded with the potential for extra range. Then again, a 10-hex KB strike is the stuff of nightmares. Thanks for the info. I don't recall if I've posted in your AAR before, but it's hugely entertaining to me, and very educational.

Thanks! And I forgot to say "welcome", so... welcome!

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 4/25/2015 6:37:20 PM

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Told you he would go for Tourane! Insanity to be there without CAP of some flavor!

For goodness sake, send something to Vinh...you have him on the ropes. Something, anything, push hard forward. Don't consolidate, don't regroup, go east young man, go east! Damn the torpedoes, and all that stuff...Japan has a tough outer shell, you have broken, now time to exploit!

At least send some 2 or 3 ship destroyer task forces that way. Dart them in and out as far as you dare.

Go, Captain, go!

Were those points at Nagoya from another attack, or from fires still burning?

PS: I guess I sound like a broken record urging the eastern attack. Sorry, can't help myself!

Only damage I recall at Nagoya was the Myrt factory. I'm sure it was expanded and is just still repairing (or he stopped it from repairing all the way).

I have two Aus Rgts of tanks heading to Quinhon. There are more armored units on the way to CRB and they will head both along the coast and inland to cut the roads. The fifth division that was for the initial CRB assault is still in Rgts because of HQ differences and lack of PP. That division is also on the way and the Rgts will head out on the same mission.

There are two more divisions and a regiment that will go in through Soc Trang. Those plus the forces now heading for Saigon will be more than enough to take Saigon (area) and probably the Phenom Penh (area), but I'm not sure about Bangkok. There are a lot more troops in that area now, some possibly/probably railed up from the peninsula. The forces just disengaged and about to disengage in Burma will be critical for that and for cutting off the large number of troops now in upper Thailand.

It's fluid, but we're working on it!

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 5/1/2015 2:29:55 PM

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Has there been a change of command by way of sword at DAW HQ after that last days turn?

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RE: 1944 June 29 - 5/3/2015 2:46:35 PM

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Has there been a change of command by way of sword at DAW HQ after that last days turn?

Hehe! No, just stupid RL. Although after this day's results...

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1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 2:47:48 PM

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1944 June 30

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Rangoon

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Our subs got an E.

A good attack between Tsuyung and Kunming. It seems very likely that we will eject the two Imperial units there.

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Ground combat at 68,47 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24316 troops, 228 guns, 320 vehicles, Assault Value = 833

Defending force 11453 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 280

Allied adjusted assault: 290

Japanese adjusted defense: 790

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
860 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
593 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (4 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Army Tank Regiment
46th Chinese Corps
754th Tank Battalion
9th Australian Division
1st Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
67th Infantry Brigade

In a surprisingly quick success, Rangoon is ours!

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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 139723 troops, 2355 guns, 3094 vehicles, Assault Value = 4383

Defending force 61052 troops, 313 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 1261

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 5018

Japanese adjusted defense: 561

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Rangoon !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6102 casualties reported
Squads: 224 destroyed, 178 disabled
Non Combat: 265 destroyed, 74 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 172 (168 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 147 (147 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3091 casualties reported
Squads: 57 destroyed, 601 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 104 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 95 disabled
Guns lost 98 (1 destroyed, 97 disabled)
Vehicles lost 161 (11 destroyed, 150 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Gardner's Horse Regiment
20th Indian Division
77th LRP Brigade
27th Infantry Division
50th Tank Brigade
72nd British Brigade
150th RAC Regiment
81st (West African) Division
Americal Infantry Division
25th Indian Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
26th Indian Division
14th LRP Brigade
192nd Tank Battalion
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
14th Indian Division
18th British Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
18th Cavalry Regiment
111th LRP Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
5th Indian Division
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
XV Indian Corps
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
16th Garrison Unit
63rd Inf Group Brigade
21st/B Division
19th Division
9th Division
33rd Division
1st RTA/A Division
3rd/A Division
19th Tank Regiment
3rd/C Division
114th Infantry Regiment
1st RTA/B Division
15th Army
18th Garrison Unit
1st RF Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn
20th AA Regiment
28th Army
47th Infantry Rgt /1

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All of the armor is being sent off toward the new front, most toward Bangkok and some toward Rahaeng. In spite of their extreme success the other units will recover before attacking again, although the artillery will continue to bombard. The various infantry units from SW of Toungoo that are currently marching to Rangoon will detour at Pegu and head for the front.

One hex from Tavoy our two divisions have caught up to the shattered Rgt and will attack tomorrow. The B-24 groups will switch from Rangoon to that Rgt for tomorrow. The British 4EB, the two B-17 squadrons, and various other aircraft have been hitting the retreating troops that were SW of Toungoo and are doing some serious damage despite the terrain. That might slow some of them enough to stop them from making Bangkok or Ayuthia.

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

We picked off a couple of damaged stragglers at Tourane, and avoided return damage in the fierce air (including kamikaze) attacks that followed.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tourane at 66,65, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Hoten Maru, Shell hits 20, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Minneapolis
CA Baltimore
DD Cotten
DD Hale
DD John Henley
CA Prome

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 28,000 yards
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 26,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages CA Prome at 20,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages xAP Hoten Maru at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards
DD Natsugumo sunk by CA Prome at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
CA Prome engages xAP Hoten Maru at 17,000 yards
DD John Henley engages xAP Hoten Maru at 17,000 yards
DD Cotten engages xAP Hoten Maru at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
CA Prome engages xAP Hoten Maru at 14,000 yards
DD Hale engages xAP Hoten Maru at 14,000 yards
DD Cotten engages xAP Hoten Maru at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
DD John Henley engages xAP Hoten Maru at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD John Henley engages xAP Hoten Maru at 8,000 yards
CA Prome engages xAP Hoten Maru at 8,000 yards
CA Baltimore engages xAP Hoten Maru at 8,000 yards
xAP Hoten Maru sunk by DD Cotten at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Attrition on the enemy Rgt trapped west of Cam Ranh Bay. The 503rd is pretty spent and will sit out the remainder of this fight. The USA 31st ID should be on scene in two days, and meanwhile the 2/6th will attack alone tomorrow to keep up the pressure.

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Ground combat at 62,73 (near Cam Ranh Bay)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2261 troops, 10 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 107

Defending force 3798 troops, 32 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 100

Allied adjusted assault: 66

Japanese adjusted defense: 71

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
207 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
503rd Parachute Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment

Defending units:
32nd/C Division

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Quinhon looks to be empty. 52 Heavy Industry hits were reported on Soerabaja, and recon shows HI there as 20(69). One more day on HI, then on to Light Industry.

Today production begins on the F6F-5 Hellcat, PB4Y-2 Privateer, and PBJ-1J Mitchell all for the USN.

The Imperial carriers are coming out to challenge our liberation of the South China Sea. Presumably they intend to head straight east as there are 4x ASW TFs leading the way out near Groot Natoena. It will be at least tomorrow before the division to seize Soc Trang can begin loading, so there should be time for this situation to play out. There are still more IJN carriers sighted in port at Singapore, presumably undergoing repairs. Franklin is now in the South China Sea and will be with other fleet carriers tomorrow. We will have to have two groups of fleet carriers covering the large expanse of the crossing from the entrance of the Sulu Sea to Cam Ranh Bay, while the escort carriers continue to cover CRB itself. The two P-47 groups there are operating offensively against the enemy fighters based at Saigon. The upgraded CVL have arrived and refueled at Manado and will head directly to the area of Balabac, there to split up into the fleet carrier TFs of the two groupings mentioned above. If they arrive before the KB strikes then the balance will be more heavily in our favor.

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 2:48:31 PM

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Here is Rangoon. The Burma Road is open! Looking forward to 500 supply per day starting tomorrow.

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 2:48:54 PM

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The Intel screen. Rangoon was a big swing. Eliminating the remaining >82,000 Imperial troops there will also help.

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 2:49:22 PM

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The sweeps over Saigon and elsewhere went well today.

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 2:49:50 PM

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The whole of the front concerning the drive on Bangkok. The Empire has thrown up a credible series of blocks on the northern approaches to Bangkok to slow the Allied advance. Aside from Saigon we know nothing about about current deployment of Imperial forces to the south of Bangkok.

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 3:25:55 PM

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Ok, since you don't want to hear my Vinh advice anymore

; how about a para drop at Chumphon to cut the Singers railroad? Or Hue to isolate Tourane? If you have fast transport available that would be viable too!

You really are in the drivers seat!

But, you still need more recon!

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 3:55:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Ok, since you don't want to hear my Vinh advice anymore; how about a para drop at Chumphon to cut the Singers railroad? Or Hue to isolate Tourane? If you have fast transport available that would be viable too!

You really are in the drivers seat!

But, you still need more recon!

I didn't mention that the attacks on our CA TF at Tourane looked as thought they came from Samah and/or Kiungshan. Possibly points beyond, of course, you only get lines as far as the radar pickup or something. That's part of the prior discussion about making a landing there. Still certainly a possibility, but they do have something in place.

A paradrop at Hue would be difficult to set up right now. I think it's out of range from Moulmein with the possible exception of bringing in those 4E transports that I still have running supply from India to China.

Current priority in the CRB area is getting the rest of the ground forces and support forces in. That includes the invasion of and through Soc Trang. As more armored units come in they can be doing that end-around work. Armor direct to Pakse then Ubon would be a good way to open an assault on the road network north of there. I do have all the the APD in the area, but they are stretched out all the way to Darwin and back. Even when (more fully) consolidated they will still need air cover. So that would not happen quickly and real assault transports would be a better choice. And there is timing and priority - by the time I put something together it might not be needed anymore, and time would be lost where it is needed. Daito Shoto is calling!

Chumphon would be in range for some of the 2E transports, but I really doubt it is unoccupied. And since I have no units prepared for it that would be another airborne massacre.

Making the drop on Ayuthia displayed that I am willing to do that, so he really has to garrison any place he feels he can't afford to lose to a paradrop. That alone helps to dilute the defense a bit.

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RE: 1944 June 30 - 5/3/2015 5:29:07 PM

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I am looing forward to Daito, and Naha. From all accounts Naha will be a real bruiser!

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1944 July 01 - 5/7/2015 12:44:12 AM

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1944 July 01

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Our subs came up empty.

Quiet in China, but our troops are ready for their next attack between Tsuyung and Kunming tomorrow.

Our air strikes on the retreating stack south of Toungoo are devastating despite the jungle-rough terrain. The hold-outs at Rangoon are taking a beating too but actually faring better than those marching through the jungle. We also saw a large number of messages about various types of Imperial transport planes being hit by flak. There was no indication of their location/target hex. In any event Rangoon is inland (river hexes do not allow amphibious aircraft pickups) and can only receive supply or paratroops. Is Rangoon being supplied as part of a delay strategy? Two of our divisions are marching on Tavoy after today's victory on the road.

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Ground combat at 54,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23431 troops, 300 guns, 104 vehicles, Assault Value = 742

Defending force 2080 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 739

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 105 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), morale(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1263 casualties reported
Squads: 60 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (18 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
4th Marine Division
82nd (West African) Division

Defending units:
112th Infantry Regiment

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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3990 troops, 270 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 2934

Defending force 52663 troops, 150 guns, 86 vehicles, Assault Value = 960

Japanese ground losses:
199 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
18th British Division
Americal Infantry Division
14th LRP Brigade
81st (West African) Division
77th LRP Brigade
14th Indian Division
27th Infantry Division
72nd British Brigade
111th LRP Brigade
20th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
5th Indian Division
2/9th Field Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
XV Indian Corps
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
19th Division
9th Division
1st RTA/A Division
21st/B Division
33rd Division
18th Garrison Unit
3rd/A Division
3rd/C Division
114th Infantry Regiment
63rd Inf Group Brigade
1st RTA/B Division
28th Army
19th Tank Regiment
62nd JAAF AF Bn
1st RF Gun Battalion
47th Infantry Rgt /1
16th Garrison Unit
15th Army
20th AA Rgt /1

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

The Rgt west of Cam Ranh Bay will be ripe for a crushing blow when our full division arrives. Today's attack was just the armour.

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Ground combat at 62,73 (near Cam Ranh Bay)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 576 troops, 0 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 85

Defending force 3615 troops, 32 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Allied adjusted assault: 12

Japanese adjusted defense: 63

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
137 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
503rd Parachute Regiment (Did not attack.)
2/6th Armoured Regiment

Defending units:
32nd/C Division

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Two armoured Rgts have arrived at undefended Quinhon and will occupy it tomorrow. An armour car unit that just unloaded at Cam Ranh Bay in strat mode will rail in right after and hold the base while the tanks move on to Tourane. The division to assault Soc Trang is loading at Manado. The IJN carriers appear to have gone back into port at Singapore.

More good hits on Soerabaja Heavy Industry. Recon shows 17 remaining (might be lower) so the 4EB at Makassar will stay on it while the more numerous 4EB at Watampone switch to Light Industry.

Pearl Harbor has >7.5 million tons of fuel, so no more CS convoys there. From now on they will go to Guam and Truk. PH will increase the outbound CS fuel convoys it runs.

More significant forces than hoped have caught the retreating enemy west of Dalat and will attack tomorrow.

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RE: 1944 July 01 - 5/7/2015 12:44:46 AM

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A map showing the pursuits west of CRB and Dalat and the advance into Quinhon.

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RE: 1944 July 01 - 5/7/2015 12:45:24 AM

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SE of Moulmein our troops will attack tomorrow. Light armor is on the way there in case needed to overcome the roadblock or when assaulting Rahaeng. The Imperial division and AA unit being annihilated in central Burma is almost fully cooked.

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1944 July 02 - 5/8/2015 9:09:39 PM

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1944 July 02

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Our subs got 2x TK.

The ground assault between Tsuyung and Kunming went very well.

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Ground combat at 68,47 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23876 troops, 228 guns, 320 vehicles, Assault Value = 774

Defending force 10823 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 213

Allied adjusted assault: 348

Japanese adjusted defense: 544

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1278 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 126 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
577 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 72 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
46th Chinese Corps
1st Army Tank Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
9th Australian Division
1st Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
67th Infantry Brigade

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Rangoon will be very ripe for an attack when our additional infantry arrives. The scouted number of troops there dropped by more than 4,000, so some serious attrition is underway. The trapped forces in central Burma will face a cross-river shock attack tomorrow. The road to Rahaeng has been forced open a little further.

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Ground combat at 56,56 (near Moulmein)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33715 troops, 485 guns, 266 vehicles, Assault Value = 902

Defending force 12351 troops, 94 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 340

Allied adjusted assault: 713

Japanese adjusted defense: 307

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4173 casualties reported
Squads: 121 destroyed, 77 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 27 (8 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
1080 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 134 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
28th (East African) Brigade
1st Hyderabad Battalion
BFF Brigade
1st Mysore Battalion
2nd British Division
13th Burma Rifles Battalion
17th Indian Division
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
113th Infantry Regiment
4th RTA Division

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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3990 troops, 270 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 2679

Defending force 51964 troops, 145 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 956

Japanese ground losses:
481 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
72nd British Brigade
25th Indian Division
18th British Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
14th Indian Division
Americal Infantry Division
20th Indian Division
77th LRP Brigade
111th LRP Brigade
14th LRP Brigade
81st (West African) Division
5th Indian Division
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
XV Indian Corps
56th Heavy Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
19th Division
3rd/C Division
3rd/A Division
33rd Division
18th Garrison Unit
9th Division
1st RTA/A Division
63rd Inf Group Brigade
114th Infantry Regiment
21st/B Division
1st RTA/B Division
1st RF Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn
19th Tank Regiment
16th Garrison Unit
47th Infantry Rgt /1
28th Army
15th Army
20th AA Rgt /1

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Allied Ships Bombarding Saigon
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

Imperial forces falling back on Saigon were thrashed again.

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Ground combat at 62,71 (near Dalat)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10494 troops, 188 guns, 354 vehicles, Assault Value = 1115

Defending force 5615 troops, 48 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 101

Allied adjusted assault: 158

Japanese adjusted defense: 28

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2147 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 15 (10 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
711th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
11th Airborne Division
1st Australian Division
5th Australian Division
1st Medium Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
104th/A Division
104th/C Division
109th JAAF AF Bn
113th JAAF AF Bn

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There are now ~16,000 troops at Saigon.

The 31st ID has arrived at the pocket west of Cam Ranh Bay and will attack tomorrow. The sly enemy has sent a rescue force, so the 2/6th Rgt (tanks) will move on them at full speed rather than attacking, in hope of keeping that escape route blocked.

It is unclear what happened at Quinhon. Both units had orders to attack, and the base was empty. There was no attack, and now there is an enemy unit there. Orders are again given, this time including "no partying tonight!" and a 4x CA will bombard in support. If the Imperials are in strategic movement mode it will be a tough day for them. There are now 2 units at Tourane. Three Aus Bde are almost fully unloaded at CRB in strat mode and will rail to Quinhon, unless their combat power is needed there in which case they will walk.

We got good hits on Heavy Industry at Soerabaja and recon shows only 3 remaining in service. Light Industry was only hit once for a reported 1 hit, but overcast was heavy today. All 4EB are ordered to aim for Light Industry now. The invasion convoy for Soc Trang is loading supply and hopefully will shove off tomorrow. Given the troop increases at Saigon it will definitely help to put those additional divisions ashore at Soc Trang, even if Saigon falls without them.

The IJN ASW groups have moved east to near Groot Natoena again. There might be a CA with them, but the carriers all appear to be in post at Singapore.

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RE: 1944 July 02 - 5/8/2015 9:17:28 PM

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I wonder if your opponent realizes that you have planned another landing at Soc Trang, thus opening a new front for him. One which would allow you to encircle his forces at Saigon. He might think you want to use the opportunity to attack elsewhere instead...

Basically you win either way, since he likely does not know how many more LCUs you want to commit in Vietnam, and the uncertainty must keep him on his toes :)

I am really curious though to see whether or not he will try to use the KB in some daring (and likely last) operation

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RE: 1944 July 02 - 5/8/2015 9:40:11 PM

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I wonder if your opponent realizes that you have planned another landing at Soc Trang, thus opening a new front for him. One which would allow you to encircle his forces at Saigon. He might think you want to use the opportunity to attack elsewhere instead...

Basically you win either way, since he likely does not know how many more LCUs you want to commit in Vietnam, and the uncertainty must keep him on his toes :)

I am really curious though to see whether or not he will try to use the KB in some daring (and likely last) operation

I figure he is savvy to the possibility of a landing at Soc Trang, but I really don't know if he expects it. When he finally gets to read this he might remember. I'm not going for encircling the forces at Saigon because that would take too long. At this point Saigon and other bases might be termed objectives as part of the overall goal of cutting off all movement (LCU, supply, etc.) by land. That means getting to Bangkok as fast as possible.

So even though the followup Div + Bde that will land at Soc Trang are preparing for Saigon, they might not even head that way unless their weight is needed there. Instead all three (those two plus the initial Div) will head for Phenom Penh, et al. I have a naval base force in a transport convoy and a supply convoy ready for Soc Trang so the forces emanating from there will be well supplied prior to the capture of Saigon.

He will expend KB and I expect he backed off from an attack when he saw that all/essentially all of the USN carriers were sticking around. It's just luck that I managed to catch the IJN carriers out of position in an unready state, but now that I have I am going to make certain that any transit they make toward Japan will be devastating for them.

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