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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 2:16:06 AM   
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The NRD on the left is the USN fleet at San Diego at the end of the Nov/Dec 1940 turn. The NRD on the right is that same fleet for the start of Jan/Feb 1940. Either the CVA units were cut in half or the capacity of the USN CVs were doubled. Was this suppose to happen? And what just happened? Is this good or bad for the USN? Does this happened to other naval powers too?




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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 6:05:24 AM   
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NRD? No idea what this abbreviation means. EDIT: I just realized what it meant. It seems that I am not really awake yet.

The size of a CVP is reduced at the beginning of a (certain) new year. You can see what year this happens by right clicking on the CVP and selecting "Carrier Air Unit Classes".




Edit 2: This is good since it allows better CVP to stack on smaller carriers. Or you can stack two size 2 CVP on a size four carrier where you before the reduction could only stack one of them.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 6:12:06 AM   
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NRD = the Naval Review Details form.

All powers' CVPs reduce in size over time (it's like Miniaturization in Master of Orion). Where this matters most is when playing with the option allowing 2 CVPs to be on a CV.

And yes it is a beneficial thing except when playing someone who must ensure every single CV capacity is optimized to the max every turn, and doesn't give a damn how long it takes him to figure it out.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 7:00:38 AM   
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Where this matters most is when playing with the option allowing 2 CVPs to be on a CV.

This is not a option in MWIF. If you play with the optional CV-planes then the ability to stack two CVP on a carrier is automatically included.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 9:41:54 PM   
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Thanks guys! Another, loosely related question. Vichy France has 1 pilot and 1 CVP in their reserve pool. They don't have any CVs. Would it do any good for Vichy to pair this pilot with the CVP and deploy him to Marseilles? Or does a CVP need a carrier to fly from to perform air missions other than to rebase?

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 10:24:12 PM   
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Where this matters most is when playing with the option allowing 2 CVPs to be on a CV.

This is not a option in MWIF. If you play with the optional CV-planes then the ability to stack two CVP on a carrier is automatically included.

The option is always coded to be on, but there is nothing prohibiting a player or players from saying that they are not using the rule, and restricting themselves to only one CVP per carrier.

Just because the program allows you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/24/2015 10:39:45 PM   
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Where this matters most is when playing with the option allowing 2 CVPs to be on a CV.

This is not a option in MWIF. If you play with the optional CV-planes then the ability to stack two CVP on a carrier is automatically included.

The option is always coded to be on, but there is nothing prohibiting a player or players from saying that they are not using the rule, and restricting themselves to only one CVP per carrier.

Just because the program allows you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.
Is there some controversy about putting two CVPs on a CV?

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/25/2015 4:24:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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Where this matters most is when playing with the option allowing 2 CVPs to be on a CV.

This is not a option in MWIF. If you play with the optional CV-planes then the ability to stack two CVP on a carrier is automatically included.

The option is always coded to be on, but there is nothing prohibiting a player or players from saying that they are not using the rule, and restricting themselves to only one CVP per carrier.

Just because the program allows you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.
Is there some controversy about putting two CVPs on a CV?

No.

Just that it was a optional rule in WIF.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/25/2015 4:25:23 AM   
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Thanks guys! Another, loosely related question. Vichy France has 1 pilot and 1 CVP in their reserve pool. They don't have any CVs. Would it do any good for Vichy to pair this pilot with the CVP and deploy him to Marseilles? Or does a CVP need a carrier to fly from to perform air missions other than to rebase?

A CVP must indeed be based on a CV in order to do any other mission than rebases.


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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/25/2015 4:28:58 AM   
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Thanks guys! Another, loosely related question. Vichy France has 1 pilot and 1 CVP in their reserve pool. They don't have any CVs. Would it do any good for Vichy to pair this pilot with the CVP and deploy him to Marseilles? Or does a CVP need a carrier to fly from to perform air missions other than to rebase?


It's worthless. Best thing to do is turn the pilot into a build point. (Pilot retraining)

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/25/2015 4:31:00 AM   
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Never mind.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/25/2015 4:32:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rkr1958


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Where this matters most is when playing with the option allowing 2 CVPs to be on a CV.

This is not a option in MWIF. If you play with the optional CV-planes then the ability to stack two CVP on a carrier is automatically included.

The option is always coded to be on, but there is nothing prohibiting a player or players from saying that they are not using the rule, and restricting themselves to only one CVP per carrier.

Just because the program allows you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.
Is there some controversy about putting two CVPs on a CV?

Well, on the other forums, a lot of players are of the opinion that it is an option that heavily favors the Allies.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 4/27/2015 7:31:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Thanks guys! Another, loosely related question. Vichy France has 1 pilot and 1 CVP in their reserve pool. They don't have any CVs. Would it do any good for Vichy to pair this pilot with the CVP and deploy him to Marseilles? Or does a CVP need a carrier to fly from to perform air missions other than to rebase?


It's worthless. Best thing to do is turn the pilot into a build point. (Pilot retraining)


As for the original rkr1958 question, it depends which version of the rules you are using. In RAW (WIF 7.0) you could.

You can use these CVP as a normal plane depending of option/selection, in WIF. Which is an excellent advantage and could be considered an exploit, since these planes have a cost of only 1 BP and many times were constructed for a cheaper defense against LR bombers or protecting a port from Port Attacks. Besides, you have more planes available, I have been short of fighters as a german player, while in a bloody Barbarossa.

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Carrier planes as aircraft
A carrier plane can fly a mission from a hex just like any other aircraft. Treat it as a FTR if it flew as a fighter and as a LND if it flew as a bomber. If it hasn’t yet decided its role (i.e. it is in a sea area), it has the effects of a LND.
CVPiF option 56: Carrier planes may only ever fly rebase missions when not stacked on a CV.


I think this was forbidden in the newer versions.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/13/2015 12:27:35 AM   
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1D10 CRT? I've looked through the rules, tables, etc. but I can't seem to find a concise listing of die roll modifiers (e.g., for being disorganized, armor attacking a city) anywhere. Is there such a concise list?

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/13/2015 3:23:59 AM   
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1D10 CRT? I've looked through the rules, tables, etc. but I can't seem to find a concise listing of die roll modifiers (e.g., for being disorganized, armor attacking a city) anywhere. Is there such a concise list?

I didn't see it when doing a quick search.

Here is the code for how the 1D10 calculates die roll modifiers; it is followed by the code for the mods for attacking and defending units. Note that some of the code below only applies to the 2D10 CRT and/or the Blitz Bonus optional rules.

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// ****************************************************************************
//
// Final calculations for 1D10 CRT.
//
// ****************************************************************************
begin
// ****************************************************************************
// RAC Section 11.16.5. Penalty for attacking a city with 2 or 3 printed
// factories. Only applies if using the Blitz Bonus.
// ****************************************************************************
if OptRules.BlitzBonus and
(Map.FactoryList.PrintedFactory[Hex.X, Hex.Y] > 1) then
DRMTerrain := DRMTerrain - 1;
// ****************************************************************************
// Increase the die roll modifier due to individual attacking units.
// ****************************************************************************
LCStckIndx := 0;

while LCStckIndx < AttackingStack.Count do
begin
LCStckUni := AttackingStack.Item[LCStckIndx];
// ****************************************************************************
// RAC Section 22.4.1. Coded as per engineer.
// ****************************************************************************
if (LCStckUni.UnitType in EngineerSet) and
LCStckUni.CombatEngineer and
(Map.FactoryList.PrintedFactory[Hex.X, Hex.Y] > 1) then
DRMTerrain := DRMTerrain + 1;
// ****************************************************************************
// Armor and paradrop benefits only accrue if using the Blitz Bonus.
// ****************************************************************************
if OptRules.BlitzBonus then AttackingUnitsDRM(LCStckUni);

Inc(LCStckIndx);
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// Decrease the die roll modifier due to individual defending units.
// ****************************************************************************
LCStckIndx := 0;

while LCStckIndx < DefendingStack.Count do
begin
LCStckUni := DefendingStack.Item[LCStckIndx];
// ****************************************************************************
// RAC Section 22.4.1. Coded as per engineer.
// ****************************************************************************
if (LCStckUni.UnitType in EngineerSet) and
(Map.FactoryList.PrintedFactory[Hex.X, Hex.Y] > 1) then
DRMTerrain := DRMTerrain - 1;
// ****************************************************************************
// Armor & anti-tank benefits only accrue if using the Blitz Bonus. However,
// the DRM for disorganized units always pertains.
// ****************************************************************************
DefendingUnitsDRM(LCStckUni);
Inc(LCStckIndx);
end;

procedure AttackingUnitsDRM(var U: TUnit);
// ****************************************************************************
// Only used by 2D10 CRT & BlitzBonus. Modify DRM due to individual attacking
// units.
// ****************************************************************************
var
HS: THexsideRange;
HSAM: Integer;
AttackHex: TSmallPoint;
begin
AttackHex := AttackLocation(U); // Hex where attacker started.

if (U is TLandUnit) and
(not TLandUnit(U).Invading) and
(Map.Terrain[AttackHex.X, AttackHex.Y] <> teSea) then
begin
THexArea.ConnectingHexsideRange(AttackHex, Hex, HS); // This sets HS.
HSAM := AttackDivisor(U);

if HSAM > 0 then
begin
// ****************************************************************************
// Include jungle benefit for some elite marines and infantry.
// ****************************************************************************
if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT and
(LCTerrain = teJungle) and
TLandUnit(U).Elite and
((U.Country = Japan.ID) or
(U.Country = Australia.ID) or
((U.Country = UnitedStates.ID) and
(U.UnitType in [utMarine, utMarineEngineer]))) then
begin
DRMTerrain := DRMTerrain + (1 / HSAM); // Hexside may affect modifier.
(*
ShowMessageOK('[LandCombatColumn] AttackingUnitsDRM ' + HexName(Hex) +
'. Jungle ' + U.Name +
'. DRMTerrain = ' + FloatToStr(DRMTerrain));
*)
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// Include bonus for attacking with winterized units.
// ****************************************************************************
if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT and SnowUnitsA and TLandUnit(U).SnowUnit then
begin
DRMWeather := DRMWeather + (1 / HSAM); // Hexside may affect modifier.
(*
ShowMessageOK('[LandCombatColumn] AttackingUnitsDRM ' + HexName(Hex) +
'. Snow units ' + U.Name +
'. DRMWeather = ' + FloatToStr(DRMWeather));
*)
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// Include armor bonus for attacker.
// ****************************************************************************
(*
if Map.HexsideTerrainSet[U.Column, U.Row, HS] * FortHexsideSet <> [] then
ShowMessageOK('[LandCombatColumn] AttackingUnitsDRM from' +
HexName(AttackHex) + ' into ' + HexName(Hex) +
' through hexside ' + IntToStr(HS) +
' has a fort hexside present.');
*)
if (not IsAssault) and
(U.UnitType in ArmoredSet) and
(not InCity) and
(LCTerrain in [teClear, teDesert]) and // I.e., tank country.
(LCWeather = wFine) and
(not Map.FortHexside[AttackHex, Hex]) then // Forts negate bonus.
begin // Hexside may affect modifier.
if OptRules.BlitzBonus then
begin
// ****************************************************************************
// BlitzBonus: Add 1 to the die roll for each two attacking ARM, MECH, HQ-A
// units conducting a blitz attack against a clear or desert (non-city) hex in
// fine weather.
// ****************************************************************************
if U.Small then DRMArmor := DRMArmor + (0.25 / HSAM) // Div. = 1/4.
else DRMArmor := DRMArmor + (0.5 / HSAM) // Corps = 1/2.
end
else if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT then
begin // 2D10 modifier is twice that of BlitzBonus.
if U.Small then DRMArmor := DRMArmor + (0.5 / HSAM) // Div. = 1/2.
else DRMArmor := DRMArmor + (1 / HSAM); // Corps = 1.
end;
end;
end;
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// Include bonus for paradrop for both 2D10 CRT and BlitzBonus.
// ****************************************************************************
if (U is TLandUnit) and
TLandUnit(U).Paradropping then
begin
if U.Small then DRMParadrop := DRMParadrop + 0.5 // Div. = 1/2.
else DRMParadrop := DRMParadrop + 1; // Corps = 1.
end;
end;

procedure DefendingUnitsDRM(var U: TUnit);
// ****************************************************************************
// Used by both 1D10 and 2D10 CRTs. Modify DRM due to individual defending
// units.
// ****************************************************************************
var
LU: TLandUnit;
begin
if U is TLandUnit then
begin
LU := TLandUnit(U);
// ****************************************************************************
// Increment die roll for disorganized units.
// ****************************************************************************
if U.Disrupted then
begin
if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT then
begin
if LU.Small then DRMDisorganized := DRMDisorganized + 1 // Div. = 1.
else DRMDisorganized := DRMDisorganized + 2; // Corps = 2.
end
else DRMDisorganized := DRMDisorganized + 1; // 1D10 CRT.
end;

if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT or OptRules.BlitzBonus then
begin
// ****************************************************************************
// Benefit for winterized defenders (TwoD10LandCRT only).
// ****************************************************************************
if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT and SnowUnitsD and LU.SnowUnit then
DRMWeather := DRMWeather - 2;
// ****************************************************************************
// Benefit for anti-tank and anti-aircraft defenders (TwoD10LandCRT only).
// ****************************************************************************
if OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT and
AHasArmor and
(LU.AntiTank <> latNone) then
DRMArmor := DRMArmor - 1;
// ****************************************************************************
// Benefit for armored defenders, regardless of CRT chosen.
// ****************************************************************************
if (U.UnitType in ArmoredSet) and
(not InCity) and
(LCTerrain in [teClear, teDesert]) and
(LCWeather = wFine) then
begin
if OptRules.BlitzBonus then
begin
// ****************************************************************************
// BlitzBonus: Subtract 1 from the die roll for each defending ARM, MECH, HQ-A
// unit in a clear or desert (non-city) hex in fine weather.
// ****************************************************************************
if U.Small then DRMArmor := DRMArmor - 0.5 // Div. = -1/2.
else DRMArmor := DRMArmor - 1; // Corps = -1.
end
else
begin // OptRules.TwoD10LandCRT.
if U.Small then DRMArmor := DRMArmor - 1 // Div. = -1.
else DRMArmor := DRMArmor - 2; // Corps = -2.
end;
end;
end;
end;
end;


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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/13/2015 3:37:02 AM   
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Wow! Thanks Steve.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/17/2015 10:05:05 PM   
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Now this question is random, but a fun one I hope.

Having owned and played MWiF for almost 1.5 years I certainly understand that (M)WiF is NOT a "beer and pretzels" game. Does this mean though that if I enjoy a beer and some pretzels when I'm playing it that I'm breaking some sort of (M)WiF etiquette

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/18/2015 7:15:17 AM   
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Oof courshhh not!

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/21/2015 12:36:59 PM   
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Can a resource be convoyed, railed and convoyed again in the same turn?

If not, then the only way to do this would be with oil and would take two turns. That it, convoy, rail and save. And then next turn, convoy to the target factory. Of course this would require one to be playing with the option to save (oil) resources.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/21/2015 1:06:45 PM   
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No, you can not transport a resource, by sea, twice in the same turn.


RAC 13.6.1 Resources
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You can rail a resource point both before and after shipping it overseas but you can not ship it overseas, then
rail it, then ship it overseas again
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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/26/2015 2:34:19 AM   
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How many subs does a German u-boat unit represent?

What about an Italian sub unit?

How many merchant ships, or tonnage, does 1 CP represent?

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/26/2015 5:07:14 AM   
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Each SUB unit represents 25-30 submarines and each convoy point represents about 200,000 tonnes of merchant shipping.

(This will be in RAW8, but I couldn't find the quote in RAW7.)

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/27/2015 12:41:49 AM   
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Each SUB unit represents 25-30 submarines and each convoy point represents about 200,000 tonnes of merchant shipping.

(This will be in RAW8, but I couldn't find the quote in RAW7.)

Thanks!

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/29/2015 10:21:37 PM   
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Why did the Chinese production multiplier drop from 1.00 to 0.75 this turn (Jul/Aug 1941)? It started off at 0.75 but soon increased and has stayed at 1.00 since Jan/Feb 1940. This turn the Chinese did retake the city of Kweiyang from the Japanese in the south and Germany/Italy did DOW the Soviet Union. Do either of these events anything to do with that (i.e., multiplier dropping from 1.00 to 0.75)?




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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/29/2015 11:07:21 PM   
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The Japanese probably made no attacks in the turn as opposed to previous turns. Base PM in 1941 for China is point 5. If supplied enemy units are in your home country add another point 25. If they also make one or more attacks (even just against one of your partisans) in your home country then add yet another point 25.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/29/2015 11:43:11 PM   
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The Japanese probably made no attacks in the turn as opposed to previous turns. Base PM in 1941 for China is point 5. If supplied enemy units are in your home country add another point 25. If they also make one or more attacks (even just against one of your partisans) in your home country then add yet another point 25.

That's it. Thanks.

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/30/2015 3:04:15 AM   
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Why can't the Italian sub in the Cape Verde Basin initiate combat? The Germans could and did and the Italian sub was able to participate in the combat. But it wasn't able to initiate the combat. And yes, I made sure that it was the Italians initiate naval combat phase. Only when I switch to the Germans could combat be initiated.




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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/30/2015 3:19:57 AM   
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What action did Italy choose this impulse?

They can't initiate a naval combat with a sub unless they took a Combined or a Naval Action.

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What action did Italy choose this impulse?

They can't initiate a naval combat with a sub unless they took a Combined or a Naval Action.

They (the Italians) took a naval. Is this a bug?

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RE: New to the game - Basic Questions - 5/30/2015 5:20:45 AM   
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It does look like a bug, yes.

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