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RE: Between the Storms - 5/29/2015 12:06:26 AM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		I'll try to look at the garrisons in RA/BTS this weekend as John is going camping with family. We have already discussed this. i just need to sit down for a few hours and go through what stock has, what RA/BTS has, and find a better middle ground. Probably closer to stock, but with some minor tweaks in large bases.

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RE: Between the Storms - 5/29/2015 1:36:19 AM   
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RE: Between the Storms - 6/2/2015 2:37:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Michael is going to work on Garrison numbers and we'll see what he comes up with. Dialing it back isn't so bad.


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/2/2015 2:56:14 AM   
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RE: Between the Storms - 6/2/2015 3:14:34 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Stanislav was doing most of the work on that and his life got CRAZY! We had gotten the naval side done and were working on the aircraft if I remember correctly...


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/2/2015 3:20:25 AM   
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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 3:13:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		We got to 1 Jan 1942 and I started really looking at the upgrade paths and found these problems.
We are using BTS 2.3

Bogue-2 class 923 updates to class 924. Class 924 updates to class 923. My game shows 21 upgrades for the Tangier and the last is a Kent Class CA, but I need a shipyard of 12000+ to get it.

CVL Jacksonville class 955 upgrades to CVL Charlotte class 953. CVL Jacksonville class 956 also upgrades to class 953. There is no way to get the CVL Jacksonville class 956.



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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 10:55:00 AM   
HansBolter


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Status: offline 		Been meaning to mention a couple of glitches.

I have two Admiral Spruances. One in command of CarDiv 1 and his clone in command of CarDiv 4.

I just sent Hermes in for refit and am apprehensive about checking the duration as the listed stats for the upgrade had all zeros for every category including duration.

I will check the next turn when I get home today and see what duration is listed as the refit began at the end of my last turn.

BTW my game is at October 7, 1943.


Been going smoothly with no major bugs uncovered.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 1:37:48 PM   
John 3rd


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ORIGINAL: BillBrown

We got to 1 Jan 1942 and I started really looking at the upgrade paths and found these problems.
We are using BTS 2.3

Bogue-2 class 923 updates to class 924. Class 924 updates to class 923. My game shows 21 upgrades for the Tangier and the last is a Kent Class CA, but I need a shipyard of 12000+ to get it.

CVL Jacksonville class 955 upgrades to CVL Charlotte class 953. CVL Jacksonville class 956 also upgrades to class 953. There is no way to get the CVL Jacksonville class 956.




The upgrades SHOULD be straitened out. Any other Allied player seen this issue?


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 1:46:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a picture of Tangier. I don't think you intended it to have 21 upgrades.





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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 1:57:46 PM   
John 3rd


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Pulling up the files now.

Running on the most current BTS---Right?


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 2:31:16 PM   
John 3rd


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Changes:
1. Fixed issues with upgrades/conversions.
2. Lowered India Garrison Requirements by 400 points total.
3. Lowered Occupied and Nationalist China Garrison Requirements by 350 each.
4. Hermes Upgrade got some work added to it since it upgrades IMMEDIATELY!

BTS 2.4 to be loaded onto site within minutes.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 2:38:22 PM   
John 3rd


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Am now checking BTS--Lite for same issues.


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 3:21:34 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Same issues and fixes done to BTS--Lite.


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 3:30:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd


4. Hermes Upgrade got some work added to it since it upgrades IMMEDIATELY!



Good news for when I get home this afternoon!

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 3:30:40 PM   
John 3rd


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/5/2015 11:45:42 PM   
Rob Brennan UK


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Status: offline 		Hello , I have recently started a new game with this mod as the allies and WOW its very different than DaBabes (my usual mod)
Getting spanked doing my normal stuff ,, so having to re think virtually everything, I could play the game 90% asleep before
not anymore !

So thank you very much for utterly revitalising the best game ever !


EDIT - I meant to ask are there any art files for the new ships and planes , was odd seeing my invisible CVL's
sinking off Port moresby and the stealth G5 over china is terrifying :)


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/6/2015 12:25:18 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		All the art files are on the RA Site. Click the link at the bottom of the Post and go to the art page. EVERYTHING your heart desires is there!

Thanks for the nice words. Took a lot of people a long time to create all four Mods.

Which are you playing?


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RE: Between the Storms - 6/7/2015 8:49:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		John - I found the Indian 44th and 45th Brigades - I think that is their number cannot be rebuilt as the toe seems to show as empty on the destroyed unit screen so you cannot re build - is that a problem or error?

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 10:34:42 AM   
HansBolter


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Status: offline 		Just hit a rather serious refit glitch with the Bogue class CVEs. For six straight turns the refit has restarted each turn adding cumulative damage.
In a few more turns the Pearl shipyard will have the dubious glory of having sunk two American CVEs.
Culled operations reports here and secreen shots of the last four turns will follow.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 26, 43
CVE Tangier beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
CVE Pocomoke beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 27, 43
CVE Tangier beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
CVE Pocomoke beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 28, 43
CVE Tangier beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
CVE Pocomoke beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 29, 43
CVE Tangier beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
CVE Pocomoke beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 30, 43
CVE Tangier beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
CVE Pocomoke beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 31, 43
CVE Tangier beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
CVE Pocomoke beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Pearl Harbor

Screen shot from 4 turns back:






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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 10:35:12 AM   
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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 10:35:57 AM   
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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 10:36:27 AM   
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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 10:41:22 AM   
HansBolter


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Status: offline 		One or two turns should be sufficient to sink them. Of course I didn't bother to remove the planes as I have a plethora of carriers in pearl getting ready to escort the Big Blue Fleet across the Pacific to deliver 500K supplies, 250K fuel and troops to Shanghai so I can supply the combined Chinese/American drive into Manchukuo.
I will lode the air squadrons along with the carriers and of course, I will not allow any more Bogue class carriers to refit.

Most fixes have not worked for a current game and require a restart. I am almost 700 turns in now and only a month or so away from my offensive in Manchukuo so I am not going to cash it in over this.

Will supply a saved game tomorrow is that will help.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 11:44:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hans, this is what I reported above. It has been fixed in version 2.4, but as you noted, it can not be fixed without a restart.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 1:18:31 PM   
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Hans, this is what I reported above. It has been fixed in version 2.4, but as you noted, it can not be fixed without a restart.


Didn't realize your post meant the 21 upgrades would happen consecutively restarting each turn and adding the refit damage cumulatively.

This is a major disaster for the class.

Oh well, almost 700 turns in now and I'm not gonna scrap it over this. Will just have to live with the loss and NOT allow another Bogue class to upgrade.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 1:39:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hans, you can set the upgrade to no while it is in refit.

Go to the base. click on ships anchored.
Click on the second line of the third column at the bottom( the one that says "Show ships under repair").
Then click on the ship in question and set the upgrade to no.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 2:01:21 PM   
HansBolter


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I will give that a try tonight.

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/16/2015 2:32:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Long delay in replying John , thanks for the art link and we are playing Between The Storms with a few HR's like no fuel hauling on AK's ( Commonwealth has to Use AKL's for short hops due to a lack of YO's ).
Several night rules , all of which I forget atm .

I cant believe the Land TOE is so wildly different to DaBabes or Stock , Great work indeed.
WE keep discovering new things and are really really bad at Op-Sec ( we (namely me ) talk way to much ).

TTFN

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RE: Between the Storms - 6/17/2015 3:51:15 PM   
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Hans, you can set the upgrade to no while it is in refit.

Go to the base. click on ships anchored.
Click on the second line of the third column at the bottom( the one that says "Show ships under repair").
Then click on the ship in question and set the upgrade to no.


Worked fine Bill.

Thanks for the reminder.

I almost never use that interface anymore as the "Manage Ships...." interface is so much more useful...at least in most respects.

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