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OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 1:13:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kamikaze Survivors article. Very Japanese.
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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 1:00:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing desicat. Hal

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 1:43:38 PM   
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An interesting story involves USS Callaghan (DD-792).  She was the last DD sunk by Kamikazes during WWII.  The Japanese pilot who hit her actually survived and was rescued with the crew.  He's been to the reunions held by the former crewmembers.

http://wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu/kamikaze/stories/jarboe/index.htm

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 1:54:51 PM   
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The Japanese pilot who hit her actually survived





How is this possible??

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 2:00:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		There seems to be some difference of opinion as to what plane caused the ship to sink and where the surviving pilot was located. The story in this thread indicates that the Betty didn't hit Callaghan yet this was the plane that the pilot was recovered from. According to Wikipedia that's not the plane where the survivor came from! Note the following entry from Wikipedia:

On 9 July 1945, Callaghan took station on the embattled radar picket line, where on 28 July she drove off a wooden-and-fabric biplane kamikaze with well-directed fire, but the plane, skimming low and undetected, returned to strike Callaghan on the starboard side. It exploded and one of the plane's bombs penetrated the after engine room. The aircraft survived the first approach because the proximity fuses were ineffective against its wooden fuselage.[2] The destroyer flooded, and the fires which ignited antiaircraft ammunition prevented nearby ships from rendering aid. Callaghan sank at 02:35, 28 July 1945, with the loss of 47 members of her crew. She was the last Allied ship sunk by a kamikaze during the war. Note: The kamikaze pilot surprisingly survived the resulting explosions and was rescued from the water with the remaining Callahan crew members by allied ships.

It looks like Wikipedia is in need of correction. And my students wonder why I don't allow Wikipedia to be used as a source in their research papers!

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 5:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you read the article, you'll note that the Japanese pilot was rescued from an attack on the 25th of May 1945. The Callaghan was actually struck and sunk by a kamikaze on July 29th, 1945...over 2 months later.

Two completely different attacks.

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 5:30:53 PM   
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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 5:32:37 PM   
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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 5:50:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well the AP article would be a source by which to correct the Wiki note that the pilot survived. Clearly the pilot that HIT the DD was not among the survivors.

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 7:37:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see. Didn't see it was AP before. More likely than not to be true. That's a start. I'll have to work on it.

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 7:50:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Exactly right, which leaves one wondering why Wikipedia got it so wrong!



When I look to Wikipedia rather than specifically taking its content at face value, I look to their footnoted sources and then go read those sources (when available).

Doing that provides me with a higher comfort level regarding accuracy of the information.

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/18/2015 10:45:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mundy
The Japanese pilot who hit her actually survived





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ORIGINAL: jwolf
How is this possible??


There are other stories of people being thrown from planes and surviving. One was from the first attack on the continent by the 8th AF. They didn't have any ready planes of their own yet, so they borrowed a handful of Bostons from the RAF and flew a raid on a Dutch airbase on July 4, 1942. It only had publicity value, little damage was achieved.

They came in so low one plane clipped a propeller on the runway and lost it. Another hit a flak emplacement on the edge of the base and crashed into the sea just past the runway. The bombardier was thrown from the plane through the nose and came to under shallow water still strapped in his seat. He unbuckled and waded to the beach, sat down on a rock and awaited capture. Several German soldiers were just standing there looking at him rather than taking him in custody. He couldn't figure out why they were hesitating until he saw a sigh that said "Minen!" He trudged up the beach and surrendered.

He wasn't even severely injured, just some cuts and bruises.

Bill

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RE: OT: Kamikaze Survivors Article - 6/19/2015 12:52:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Exactly right, which leaves one wondering why Wikipedia got it so wrong!


Because its Wikipedia?

They do tend to be wrong quite often.

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