warspite1
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But what about that BRITISH goalie? Whad she do now? 
warspite1
Amazing 
Half the time when people should be talking about Britain they refer to England. When they should be talking about England they refer to Britain!!! Why is this so difficult to understand?*
If your reference is to the fact that the England goalkeeper was born in the US, then I'm not sure why this is a "". There are agreed international rules around who can play for whom depending upon other family for example (as in this case) or in the case of some sports there are "transfer mechanisms" too. If you think the English football team - and Karen Bardsley in particular - is special have a look at how many of the US's 600 athletes for the Olympic Games 2012 were born overseas - more than 40 I believe.
*By the way and for the avoidance of doubt, this is a light-hearted remark..... well mostly anyway.. perhaps a tinsiest bit of frustration too
No, what happens is that is an English athlete wins a gold medal at, say, the Olympics, he or she is referred to as English, but if a Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish athlete does so the English press refers to them as "British". Just look at "British" Andy Murray!
Anyway the Ashes starts in Cardiff this week - that is in Wales by the way, where England and Wales will be playing Australia.
Rich
warspite1
This rubbish old chestnut again 
I watch plenty of sport and believe me, this is just so sad. Motor racing: You think for example David Coulthard or Sir JYS were never, indeed are never, referred to as Scotsmen? You think Andy Murray is never referred to as a Scotman? Eddie Irvine was never an Ulsterman when winning Grand Prix?
When English, Northern Irish, Scots or Welsh play a sport representing their individual countries (e.g. Commonwealth Games), they are referred to in those terms. When they represent the United Kingdom/Great Britain (e.g. the Olympic Games) then they are referred to mostly by that denomination but sometimes by the country of their birth. The Welsh lass Nicole Cooke  for example. How many times was she referred to as Welsh on her way to Gold in Beijing even though she was representing Team GB? Plenty - so what? She is Welsh - and British.
To call David Coulthard or Andy Murray British when winning Wimbledon or a Grand Prix is perfectly acceptable.... because they are. So is calling them Scots - because they are - and which they are referred to as frequently. Do some journalists get it wrong? Possibly.. but to suggest the entire English press corps are waging some kind of colonial campaign to beat down the Celts is just pathetic. Do Scots journalists or Welsh journalists at the Olympics ever refer to their athletes by their individual nationality - even when winning Gold for Great Britain and NI? No of course not - its only the Fascist English press that get it wrong isn't it?
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Anyway the Ashes starts in Cardiff this week - that is in Wales by the way, where England and Wales will be playing Australia.
No idea why you are getting snotty with me - you clearly have a short memory re the European Championship thread  . You obviously weren't around when the Scots referendum thread was current. Perhaps if you were you would know you picked on the wrong guy if you want to accuse someone of English bias 
Hey I really like you. I didn't intend to be "snotty" with you.
Seem to have touched a nerve though.
It's not an old chestnut if you live in Wales, believe me.
How many "national" newspapers published the fact that if England had not scored a late equaliser against Slovenia, Wales would have been ahead of them in the world rankings? Wales against Belgium was a big match in its group; Slovenia against England was a dead rubber. How many pages did each get?
How many pages does the Times devote to English rugby as opposed to Welsh, Irish or Scottish? "National" newspaper indeed. England win a game and they are going to win the rugby world cup, 6 pager every time.
Sorry if I offended you Warspite. I was originally commenting on your comment about "English" or "British". There are alternative possibilities within "British". You wouldn't know it sometimes though.
Rich
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Yes this touched a nerve - sorry if I went off on one.
A few things though:
1. I guess the problem the national papers have is the audience size and their need to sell papers. If you have two games happening at the same time e.g. England and Wales - both are EC qualifiers but one is a bigger game - but the bigger game caters for a smaller audience (i.e. the actual populations of England vs Wales). I know the Welsh game got plenty of coverage - although I did not compare newspaper columns to the England game. I will look out for this in the autumn as the qualifying process comes to its fascinating (and hopefully successful) conclusion for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. One thing on that though - aren't national papers regional anymore? I thought editions of papers used to be tailored (T.V pages and sports) for different parts of the country? Maybe they don't do that anymore?
2. Re the England and Britain thing I was not suggesting that there are the only two alternatives. This was a light-hearted dig at aaatoysandmore. It is common for our overseas friends to still talk of England (like we are still in the Elizabethan times (Queen Elizabeth I not II  ) - when they really mean Britain or the UK. But then this poster compounds the error by referring to Britain when he would have actually been right to say England
The ironic thing about your post - and the reason for my reaction - is that such mix ups over the country name riles me not only because it is factually incorrect, BUT in support of my fellow Britons who are very much part of the UK and are seemingly ignored by reference to England when discussing the UK.
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