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Wish List - 7/11/2015 1:44:16 PM   
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A new Wish List thread.

Much will overlap with older TOAW III forum wish list threads, but hey, here's the place to re-emphasize some wishes!


The first of my many wishes: For turn/phase resolution and playback, please give the option to play back, stop-and-start (via some hot key) individual unit/stack movement; individual battle; etc.

Not continuous, not from beginning to end without pause! Too fast for me, still too fast even with the slow-down option.

Or if not step-by-step, then continuous, but with the ability to pause the action at any time (by toggling the space bar, for example).

This may be my personal biggest problem with the older, traditional TOAW UI. I've got other complaints. But this one is maybe at the top of my list. The single biggest thing (there are others) that detracts from my enjoyment of the game.

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RE: Wish List - 7/11/2015 8:14:32 PM   
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make the formula for a unit strength (19.1.3, page 69) : equipment strength x (2 x proficiency + readiness + supply) / 4

editable, as in:

unit strength: equipment strength x (C1 x proficiency + C2 x readiness + C3 x supply) / 4

(for the math minded: much better if C1+C2+C3=4)

This way one could:

1) distinguish better between ancient armies (where proficiency/morale was all important) vs modern armies, where if you run out of bullets and fuel..well, it's just not good.
2) It'd fix the 'units with 1% supply can still fight!' common complaint. And if one likes it the old way, just leave it alone in the editor.


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RE: Wish List - 7/12/2015 1:07:58 AM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/13/2015 2:41:11 AM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/13/2015 3:06:57 AM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/13/2015 8:54:03 AM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/13/2015 5:23:27 PM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 11:23:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also this is nice, don't you think this will add complexity to scenario designers? It is already lot of works to add a correct TO&E since some equipment files must be customized to add some of them. Adding quality pictures for each of them may be a challenge especially for old ones.

And, the game/scenario size will increase, that's a cost as well for a scenario depot.

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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 12:18:08 PM   
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Also this is nice, don't you think this will add complexity to scenario designers? It is already lot of works to add a correct TO&E since some equipment files must be customized to add some of them. Adding quality pictures for each of them may be a challenge especially for old ones.

And, the game/scenario size will increase, that's a cost as well for a scenario depot.

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You're right. Not so much complexity because I think it's easy to find pics on the net, but yes, that would increase the size of scenarios. No problem with the stock scenarios, but what about custom ones you have to download? That could be a problem. On the other hand, assuming there will be a stock equipment database, it could already contain pics, just like, for instance, the equipment base in Steel Panthers WaW... And if scen designers added some new equipment, they could then also add new pics, perhaps...

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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 4:47:32 PM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 4:54:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please, add some sort of list displaying the units that are currently travelling by rail. In FitE, it's often a nightmare trying to find them on the map, especially after a longer break between PBEM sessions.

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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 8:17:02 PM   
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Please, add some sort of list displaying the units that are currently travelling by rail. In FitE, it's often a nightmare trying to find them on the map, especially after a longer break between PBEM sessions.


No need. You already have it. Use the dot buttom. It cicles through all the entrained units.



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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 8:18:52 PM   
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Please, add some sort of list displaying the units that are currently travelling by rail. In FitE, it's often a nightmare trying to find them on the map, especially after a longer break between PBEM sessions.


No need. You already have it. Use the dot buttom. It cicles through all the entrained units.






The dot button? What's that? Where is it?

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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 9:32:44 PM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 9:35:00 PM   
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In-hex rivers has always been a game breaker for me. Never could take it seriously as a result. Put rivers on hex sides and I'll be a buyer.


And just to show how fickle the buying public is - no, please dear god no!!

There are thousands of games with river shapes brutalized to fit hex sides that bear only a passing resemblance to a real map - let TOAW say a bastion of a much better system!

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RE: Wish List - 7/14/2015 10:06:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Freyr Oakenshield

Please, add some sort of list displaying the units that are currently travelling by rail. In FitE, it's often a nightmare trying to find them on the map, especially after a longer break between PBEM sessions.


No need. You already have it. Use the dot buttom. It cicles through all the entrained units.






The dot button? What's that? Where is it?



Phew! It's just a the full stop key on the keyboard...

Unfortunately, it doesn't offer exactly what I want. It may be good for smaller scenarios, but circling through the entrained units is only possible if you actually disembark them. In large scenarios such as FitE, the distances are so large that you sometimes need to transport units for two turns. So, disembarking them while circling through them is a bit of a nuisance.

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RE: Wish List - 7/15/2015 9:14:44 PM   
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In-hex rivers has always been a game breaker for me. Never could take it seriously as a result. Put rivers on hex sides and I'll be a buyer.


Second, third and fourth. Every time I start back with TAOW, I'm turned off again by this truly goofy feature. I'd rather see tortured hex-side rivers than see Buda and Pest separated by a 50km wide river.

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RE: Wish List - 7/15/2015 9:27:47 PM   
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In-hex rivers has always been a game breaker for me. Never could take it seriously as a result. Put rivers on hex sides and I'll be a buyer.


Second, third and fourth. Every time I start back with TAOW, I'm turned off again by this truly goofy feature. I'd rather see tortured hex-side rivers than see Buda and Pest separated by a 50km wide river.


Or you could have the river flow through a city hex and call it "Budapest".......

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RE: Wish List - 7/15/2015 9:42:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't mind the in hex rivers so much, but TOAW seems to act like you are actually in the water or very close to it if you are in a river hex. That needs to be improved.

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RE: Wish List - 7/16/2015 7:04:22 PM   
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Or you could have the river flow through a city hex and call it "Budapest"

I don't actually object to rivers going through the middle of city hexes. I believe there are some games that will allow this and I think it should work fine.


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RE: Wish List - 7/16/2015 9:19:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: timmyab

In-hex rivers has always been a game breaker for me. Never could take it seriously as a result. Put rivers on hex sides and I'll be a buyer.


Second, third and fourth. Every time I start back with TAOW, I'm turned off again by this truly goofy feature. I'd rather see tortured hex-side rivers than see Buda and Pest separated by a 50km wide river.


Or you could have the river flow through a city hex and call it "Budapest".......

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But then no matter which direction I attack from BudaPest, I'm attacking across a river. How can you be on both sides and neither at the same time.

Some like it, some get used to it, some hate it. I love this game because of the flexibility, and hate it for this one reason.


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RE: Wish List - 7/16/2015 10:23:07 PM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/16/2015 11:08:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The more I think about it, I think rivers on the hex sides is best. Yeah it may be a downgrade aesthetically, but the rules will make more sense I think. We don't complain about other terrain features following the hex pattern, at least I haven't seen that.

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RE: Wish List - 7/16/2015 11:24:53 PM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/16/2015 11:45:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't necessarily mean just features on the hex sides. Most terrain features fill nearly the entire hex with a uniform pattern, so that it is obvious that you are either inside or outside the feature, a forest for instance. Even with the visible hex sides turned off, the hex based pattern of the map is obvious.

This doesn't bother me at all. You don't need to make the rivers into straight lines that follow the hex sides, just make it clear enough which hex side is affected.

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RE: Wish List - 7/17/2015 12:48:06 AM   
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RE: Wish List - 7/17/2015 10:49:09 AM   
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But then no matter which direction I attack from BudaPest, I'm attacking across a river. How can you be on both sides and neither at the same time.

I haven't actually played a game with this feature but I'm guessing that normal river rules are suspended for cities with rivers flowing trough the center of the hex. Maybe there's a river modifier on top of the city's normal modifier or something of that sort I don't know. If the city is clearly one side or other of the river then you place a normal hex side river.
Because of the difficulty of capturing cities by frontal assault this feature should work in practice I would imagine. Usually if a city on a river is captured it's because it's been isolated from supply anyway, i.e the river has already been crossed on both sides of the city.
So in practice this allows rivers to flow through cities in an aesthetically pleasing way without affecting game play. I'm not particularly advocating this, just saying that I see no objection to it.

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RE: Wish List - 7/17/2015 1:20:07 PM   
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In-hex rivers has always been a game breaker for me. Never could take it seriously as a result. Put rivers on hex sides and I'll be a buyer.


Great point. I feel the same way.

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RE: Wish List - 7/17/2015 1:33:04 PM   
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Regarding rivers: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1558431&mpage=1&key

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RE: Wish List - 7/17/2015 8:57:04 PM   
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Yes, if you are in a river hex it always seems as though you are on the wrong side of the river, whatever you are trying to do. Attacking from a river hex doesn't even seem to make sense.

Let's say hex is 10km and a river is going through the middle, and I am attacking out of this hex to an adjacent unit on dry land. The game assumes that I am attacking from behind the river, which means attacking an enemy that is around 5km away from me.

If I'm on defense, I do not get any benefit from defending so apparently in this case the game is assuming that I am on the same same of the river as the attacker. (again the wrong side)

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