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DSP sats - 10/19/2014 8:54:39 PM   
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Are the dsp satellites a future addition? They are in the menu but not selectable for adding satellites.

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RE: DSP sats - 7/11/2015 4:21:37 PM   
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Was still curious about DSP satellites? Searching in threads I only see brief mentions and none addressing future inclusion/fix. Is there an issue with geosynch birds, or is this just an addition that hasn't been worked on yet? Makes one salivate just because they appear in the menu, if not usable yet.

Hope in not in the wrong topic, since they appear in menu, but not usable, figured this was a tech support question.

Again, just curious. Thanks for such a wonderful piece of software!

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RE: DSP sats - 7/11/2015 4:44:22 PM   
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Hi John

Its determining the model and data on the platforms themselves.

Comms/kill chain stuff is tough due to the implications on game play. (Game vs. Analytical tool).

If its open source we can usually get the basic orbit data on the satellite but what they actually do is unclear.

Glad you like the game. Its more than a business to us. Much of our engineering efforts are driven by us playing the game we build and wanting to make it better.

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RE: DSP sats - 7/11/2015 10:49:42 PM   
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Thanks for the reply, makes sense. Will make an interesting addition when/if ready.

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RE: DSP sats - 7/12/2015 1:46:41 PM   
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Did find this:

https://youtu.be/Rt-aJicg11g?list=FLUbMa9kEYoLP3_Zlc2nzVPA

The image from the link above was obtained by using Java Satellite Tracker: http://www.gano.name/shawn/JSatTrak/

Mentions they were upgraded to detect short range missiles in 1995 using software upgrades on the ground stations, the youtube info section seems to provide some info on some of the DSP satellite positions. DSP's scan a slice of a 360 degree circle as seen at the end of the 1st video.

Additional info on the separate upgrades and versions here: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5323

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In response to the evolving threats, DSP has undergone five major upgrades that allowed it to provide more accurate and reliable data to the warfighter. For example, the addition of a medium wavelength infrared capability has provided enhanced missile warning mission utility. This upgrade marked the first space sensor application of mercury cadmium telluride infrared sensors, the material of choice for today's infrared sensors. All of the DSP satellites were spinning satellites with the infrared sensor at the front end of the spacecraft. The DSP satellites orbit the earth approximately 22,000 miles over the equator. The current DSP spacecraft is more survivable than its predecessors, accommodates 6,000 detectors, uses approximately 1,275 watts of power, with an on-orbit weight of approximately 5,200 pounds at the beginning of life, including fuel.

- Block 1: Phase I, 1970-1973, 4 satellites
- Block 2: Phase II, 1975-1977, 3 satellites
- Block 3: Multi-Orbit Satellite Performance Improvement Modification (MOS/PIM), 1979-1984, 4 satellites
- Block 4: Phase II Upgrade, 1984-1987, 2 satellites
- Block 5: DSP-1, 1989 - 2007, 10 satellites launched
- First launch on 6 November 1970
- Final launch on 10 November 2007

Current as of April 2015



http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/dsp-satellites-supporting-americas-earlywarning-system-02650/


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Today’s DSP-I (improved) weighs 5,200 pounds vs. just 2,000 pounds for the original versions, requires 1,275 watts of power vs. 400, uses 6,000 detectors vs. 2,000, and is approximately 33 feet long and 14 feet in diameter. Recent technological improvements in sensor design include above-the-horizon capability for full hemispheric coverage and improved resolution, as well as increased on-board signal-processing capability.



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The current Satellite Early Warning System (SEWS) consists of 5 DSP satellites; 3 provide frontline operational service, with 2 available as backups should problems emerge with the primary satellites.

The program’s lifetime has seen the launch of 23 DSP satellites, and improvements to DSP via 5 upgrade sets have allowed those satellites to exceed their design lifespan.


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RE: DSP sats - 7/12/2015 5:23:19 PM   
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Project Slow Walker could be interesting to model.

http://xbradtc.com/2015/01/02/the-backfire-and-project-slow-walker/

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But soon after [DSP] entered service Aerospace Corporation scientists began detecting other heat targets, including surface to air missiles and ground explosions. The company’s scientists and engineers also began unusual infrared events. These infrared returns occurred over Soviet territory at regular intervals and traveled in relatively straight lines. They were clearly not ballistic missiles. The engineers analyzing the heat sources soon determined that they were originating at Soviet bomber bases, notably those that fielded Backfire bombers.
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In spring 1983 the Air Force approved a Navy project to take advantage of the DSP capability to detect these “walking dots.” It was code-named SLOW WALKER. Starting in 1985 the Navy deployed a regular contingent to Australia to extract the data from the DSP satellite transmissions and then manually disseminate the information to the fleet. This was called the SLOW WALKER Reporting System, or SLWRS. By the late 1980s the Navy improved its SLOW WALKER capability to the point where the information was disseminated nearly instantaneously.

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RE: DSP sats - 7/12/2015 6:36:18 PM   
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Interesting stuff guys thanks!

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RE: DSP sats - 7/12/2015 9:31:26 PM   
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Thanks. This matches nicely with the info we have on DSPs regularly detecting afterburning jets during Desert Storm. It is very reasonable to assume that the far more sensitive SBIRS/STSS can reliably track non-afterburning fliers.

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