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Re: Cavalry Help - 7/4/2015 8:03:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone able to help me with Cavalry. I seem to lose approximately 70 men almost instantly everytime my cavalry make contact with other cavalry. It makes no difference if i charge stationary cavalry in the rear with fresh guard cavalry i still lose on shock of impact. It seems as if the charging unit takes the damage instead of the stationary unit. Any advice would be appreciated.
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/4/2015 8:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had the same problem, my Carabiniers were annihilated in seconds by some weak light cavalry.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/4/2015 10:46:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I' ve stopped using the carabinier. Even dutch reserve cavalry kills it in seconds. Which is a pity because i like carabiniers. I am sure there must be an error when cavalry first contacts the results on first contact seem the wrong way round.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/5/2015 8:07:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you generate a save of first moment before the contact? There's always a little advantage for who start first the melee state, but not so much to justify the a full squadron destruction if the stats are corrects.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/5/2015 8:25:25 AM   
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From what I remember it happens all the time in the main Waterloo scenario, if they are under AI control they do a bit better.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/5/2015 8:26:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, they were the buggers that did it to my carabiniers.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/6/2015 10:10:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps the computer is using its brain? as at this stage of the war they were not that good. As most were dead in Russia frozen. They only carried the name of elite troops but were not elite I would say they were only good as Reg not even Veterans. But I have found them to be hard to kill at times as the British not played French (bah) sent it 2 good lt Cav and the lt Cav lost.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/6/2015 8:35:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do not mind them losing. It is just that at the moment of impact the carabiniers take 60-70 casaulties instantly without doing any damage. Then there is a melee where both sides lose between 10 and 20 men before the result is decided. I tried and get a save but it takes 2 hours of playing to get them into position then they die before i can even save the game as for some reason pause gets turned off while saving. On a plus note have found two whole french cavalry divisons hiding on the exact same spot as their commander.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/6/2015 8:57:43 PM   
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/12/2015 2:59:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't managed to get carabinier save yet. But had same problem with red lancers. Fresh undamaged Red Lancers Charging and taking 70 casualties instantly on contact with prussian cavalry. I Have a save how do i get it to you?

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/12/2015 3:02:16 PM   
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/12/2015 5:16:56 PM   
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/12/2015 5:32:51 PM   
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/12/2015 5:54:35 PM   
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/12/2015 6:01:30 PM   
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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/14/2015 6:00:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't take for sure because I cannot check it directly debugging but what happen to your lancers can be that they were forced to the melee before being completly formed (they are switching from column to line) also if for a fraction of time, so they don't receive the melee bonus for the first contact with a complete formation (cavalry has a high melee bonus for simulate his impact against infantry and the first charge contact advantage). So the prussians have in the first loop a huge melee advantage which determine the initial big losses.

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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/14/2015 7:19:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi,
Really enjoying the game but I too have noticed that my cavalry (only played French full battle a couple of times so far) seem to be rather impotent while attacking. Even attacking infantry not in square appears to do little damage.

Against other cavalry they usually lose quickly, route or surrender and don't seem to cause any casualties at all in a lot of cases for the loss of 60-100 men. Really frustrating. Maybe they are fighting with wet celery instead of swords?

I thought it was me and I was doing something wrong but interested to see it isn't just me. Or maybe it is me!!!!!!!

Anyway, I do enjoy the game but this possible bug makes me reluctant to attack with cavalry.


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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/14/2015 7:35:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		>Really enjoying the game but I too have noticed that my cavalry (only played French full battle a couple of times so far) seem to be rather impotent while attacking. Even attacking infantry not in >square appears to do little damage.

This depends much from how much the pursuit continue after the first contact and how much the cavalry is compact at the melee moment (more sprites in the contact at the first clash, more contacts during the pursuit); the damage inflicted is not only that of casualties but also to the morale because every retreat impacted on the total morale of unit (the morale bonus can maintain the morale bar high, in particular the support bonus are the more important, but the base morale of unit can drop if these went missing).

>Against other cavalry they usually lose quickly, route or surrender and don't seem to cause any casualties at all in a lot of cases for the loss of 60-100 men. Really frustrating. Maybe they are >fighting with wet celery instead of swords?

Every case can be different (see above), the factor in play are many, difficult to say what generate what you see without a real case to check.



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RE: Re: Cavalry Help - 7/14/2015 8:15:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the answer. I will make sure my cavalry is formed and see if that makes a difference.

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