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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/22/2015 2:17:40 PM

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Be careful with the Blue position behind the river, as retreat path to Lashio could be troublesome.

I would say don't give up Toungoo without a fight, but it also can screw up retreat paths.

This is probably your strongest theatre...and I always wondered why the Allies would pick to go here in your game. Tie down your troops, yes, plan for an end run thru Tavoy or south or Sumatra. Yes.

Ramree will allow the Allies to stay in supply. If possible make him fight for it.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/22/2015 2:31:23 PM

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Good points.

For Buma holding forward has benefits if the Allies have committed significant assets deep into the jungle areas and you don't think based on the full map that they could land behind you. I held Central Burma until earlier 44 and the area you've outlined in red, blue and white for much longer into late 44. I would now think of a controlled, steady and gradual retreat that would make you less vulnerable to the landing behind along the coasts. Depends on what you have to contest any move to Sumatra/Java and the rest of the DEI plus how far the Allies get toward the PI.

I've one full division and three regiments in Northern Sumatra and three full divisions in Southern Sumatra, plus assorted trash like a couple of the INA regiments.

If I can, I want at least another three regiments worth of troops in Northern Sumatra, so I'll probably ram it full of the Naval Guards units that I've lost in CentPac to cover garrison duties

North-western Malaya also needs a garrison, so I'll keep steadily reinforcing this area from reinforcements arriving in China.

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Some players have held central Burma to the end and did not lost an army as I did, but now I think most Allied players wouldn't settle for this situation. Certainly not Loka. You have a China buffer to run to if necessary, but you don't want to fling the doors open to Indochina either.

Well, that's it. Once the oil is gone from Magwe, what is there left to fight for in Central Burma? The denial of Rangoon and access to China can be accomplished from far better terrain than Central Burma.

While it galls me to give up territory without much of a fight, do I really want to take on the hoards of Chinese in the Burmese plains in order to defend 100 points of oil that may or may not be bombed out tomorrow?

Yes, I might be able to bloody the Allies noses a few times, but I'll settle for stalemating Burma for '44, even if it is at the expense of territory surrendered without a fight.

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I like the plan you have outlined and it's possible to hold in good terrain longer than you'd think. I'd also hold Prome, even though it's in the clear, just because it forces a decision to cross a river, and that takes time to prepare for. Also, I like holding Tougoo just for the extra possible forts and denying a closer airfield. You may also consider holding, at least temporarily, the little island base West of Rangoon, whatever it's called. Again, it forces a crossing and if you don't have it he can pile toward Rangoon quickly, plus use that as a very good airfield. Allied fighters are mostly short ranged still.

Hmm.

I like it. I like it alot. I had rejected Prome out of hand as it's an open hex, but with flak, CAP and forts I'm sure I can make a nice dependable base out of it. The fact that it's behind a river is even better.

If I defend Prome, it lets me keep a nice short five hex frontline. If I stretch it out to six hexes I can defend the hex due east of Ramree Island and keep it's only hexside closed - a big IJA stack outside of Ramree in x3 terrain will mean no supplies flowing out of there for the Allies unless there's a big effort.

Prome and Toungoo also give me two frontline CAP bases on railroads...

Yeah, much better idea.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/22/2015 2:44:54 PM

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Be careful with the Blue position behind the river, as retreat path to Lashio could be troublesome.

I would say don't give up Toungoo without a fight, but it also can screw up retreat paths.

This is probably your strongest theatre...and I always wondered why the Allies would pick to go here in your game. Tie down your troops, yes, plan for an end run thru Tavoy or south or Sumatra. Yes.

Ramree will allow the Allies to stay in supply. If possible make him fight for it.

Yeah, Obvert has changed my mind as to Prome and Toungoo, they'll be good anchors for the defence.

The Allies are moving here because they've advantages of their own. The bulk of the Chinese Army in Exile, plus the Australians and the Indians are all here. The Chinese alone are reinforced by 350 squads a month - essentially a full division in raw AV. The Chinese give the Allies the numbers, and the British/Commonwealth/Indian troops provide the quality. On top of that, there's all the airbases in North-eastern India to base all the aircraft in the world from, and what's better is he doesn't need shipping to mount any offensive.

Tying down my troops is vital when you consider that China isn't in play - if Loka is content to let Burma sit in stalemate, that's a lot of IJA units free to go elsewhere.

I suspect the end run around Burma as well - bashing through with frontal attacks isn't his style. Even in his game with Bullwinkle, he was very careful about losses when attacking Chungking, whereas I simply didn't care. I've taken particular attention to ensure that Northern Sumatra, Malaya and the Burma pan-handle are suitably looked after.

Ramree is a nice little problem for me. I can't supply it except by sea, and I don't want to commit any more shipping to this theater, as it will just end up sunk. My hope is to throw a Thai division onto Ramree to keep it safe against everything but a major naval landing and keep control of the jungle-rough hex to the east of Ramree. It's only hex in or out of Ramree, so if I control it supply shouldn't flow out. While that's better for the troops on the ground, it does give the Allies a potential size 8 airbase within touching distance of Rangoon.

Then again, part of me wants to try to see Loka keep Ramree supplied when two size 8 airbases are within seven hexes of it...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/23/2015 12:38:17 AM

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Then again, part of me wants to try to see Loka keep Ramree supplied when two size 8 airbases are within seven hexes of it...

Akyab is fully big enough to base 4-5 P-47 units. Supply can come down the coast under full fighter cover. LSTs unload in a day.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/23/2015 4:35:25 PM

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It's all about time. Whatever you think will stall him without costing you a poor VP ratio or too much fuel/supply expenditure is useful. You should also be able to see where he's coming at you from pretty far away and react accordingly if he is moving units overland. Until he gets and builds Ramree he'd also need a bunch of CV support for a landing behind your lines, and I guess you'll know best where you think his main CVs are at this point. It's a somewhat dangerous game, but withdrawing of your own accord may in fact change his mind about a landing behind you. We all like the path of least resistance.

If there are ways to show you're interested in shrinking your perimeters elsewhere you can in effect encourage moves to fill the void, thus choosing where the attack vectors are more likely to come in the future, maybe. That said, things move a LOT faster in 44, and the Allies should be prepped for a variety of options at this point if they're thinking ahead.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/28/2015 12:09:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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Then again, part of me wants to try to see Loka keep Ramree supplied when two size 8 airbases are within seven hexes of it...

Akyab is fully big enough to base 4-5 P-47 units. Supply can come down the coast under full fighter cover. LSTs unload in a day.

I forget that the Allies have an excess of expendable shipping.

Even so, if the hex due east of Akyab flies the Rising Sun, nothings going to flow out of Akyab regardless of how many LST's land.

My thinking is rapidly shifting to concentrating my best forces there: Lokasenna will know the value of Ramree as a supply dump, and if I've a strong stack blocking it, it may be a chance for me to tie down a lot of his raw AV power mounting attacks against IJA troops in x3 terrain. Or so I hope...

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ORIGINAL: obvert

It's all about time. Whatever you think will stall him without costing you a poor VP ratio or too much fuel/supply expenditure is useful. You should also be able to see where he's coming at you from pretty far away and react accordingly if he is moving units overland. Until he gets and builds Ramree he'd also need a bunch of CV support for a landing behind your lines, and I guess you'll know best where you think his main CVs are at this point. It's a somewhat dangerous game, but withdrawing of your own accord may in fact change his mind about a landing behind you. We all like the path of least resistance.

If there are ways to show you're interested in shrinking your perimeters elsewhere you can in effect encourage moves to fill the void, thus choosing where the attack vectors are more likely to come in the future, maybe. That said, things move a LOT faster in 44, and the Allies should be prepped for a variety of options at this point if they're thinking ahead.

I really don't know what's the best course to play for time. The one thing I keep telling myself is that Burma is a good block for the IJA to get it's head chopped off, so everything from Victoria Point northwards has at least a division - once my withdrawal from the jungles is complete I'll probably be able to double that, and send extra stuff to Malaya and Northern Sumatra. At this point, I'd rather be defending those two that Burma.

Anyways, update to come, seeing as Loka sent me the turn from his game with Bullwinkle by accident.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/28/2015 12:53:10 AM

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December 16th to December 29th, 1943

A crash course in how to quickly give an overview of a hectic half-month.

North Pacific

Three naval guard units that I've purchased back after their destruction in the Pacific are being redeployed here. Two are headed for the Kuriles and one for Sakhalin. Seeing as I have more robust IJA units to serve as garrisons, I'm going to be buying the naval guard units back and using them as garrisons for the numerous smaller islands closer to Japan.

Central Pacific

Makin Island is invaded and falls in two days to a bunch of Allied tanks. Lokasenna gets sloppy with his CAP settings, and planes from the Marshalls get a free ride at the amphibs, but so few planes fly for me that it doesn't really make much of an impact other than two AKA's eating torpeodes.

Part of me wishes I'd a big concentration of planes to have a go at these ships, but much of my fighter strength has been diverted to SWPAC and the DEI that I'm thin on the ground here. I'm committed to defending Truk with what fighters I have detailed to this theater.

Fortress Mili is next, but I'm not sure I'll make much noise over this base either - I can base at most 300 aircraft within striking range, but if the Allies bring even CVE CAP I may not have the strength to punch through and get a good hit. We'll see - I do want the size 5 forts and decent CD guns on Mili to go out with some thunder rather than a whimper, but first I'll need to offload a great deal of supply onto the base so that it can withstand a decent run of bombardments.

The Agato runs afoul of a USN sub making for Eniwetok and is sunk.

South-West Pacific

The Americans are evidently planning to use Rabual as a stand-in for the moon after the war is over. I'm working towards setting Kavieng up as a second Rabual, and getting Manus ready to serve as a back-stop. I'll be setting up the Aitape-Wewak area as a sheild for Manus, even if we already have Hansa Bay as a size 9 airbase: once the Allies have pushed past New Britain, I want to make it as difficult as possible to advance up New Guinea.

The usual naval sparring has occurred here: the Allies like their shuttle bombardment runs of Rabual, and I've did my best to make them dangerous:-

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma
DD Shinonome
DD Shirakumo
DD Uranami
DD Akebono

Allied Ships
DD Thompson, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Satterlee
DD Carmick
DD Fanning, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

This won't stop Rabual from being pounded into dust, but it's something.

The end looks nigh for Kiriwina Island - the Allies are landing more troops, and the brave men of the 22nd IMB are low on supply. They've delayed the capture of this base for months, and are considered an inspriration to troops all over the Empire.

DEI

Having the entire IJN in one theater certainly makes life easier here. I've been bombarding everything I can with great gusto, and the Yamato and Musashi make their combat debut with a daylight bombardment at Taberfane:-

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Naval bombardment of Taberfane at 82,117

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi
BB Yamato

Allied ground losses:
862 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 15 (5 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 55
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

BB Musashi firing at Taberfane
BB Yamato firing at 4th Australian Division

They're attacked by low flying US two-engined attack bombers, but mere 500lb bombs do no damage worth reporting to those two monsters.

The IJN also bombards Dobo and Saumlaki, where the tide has turned firmly in the favour of Japan. The Allies will now be pushed off this island unless there is a second landing.

The Allies are pushed off Ambon, and I'm working to set this base up as a fighter base to help hold Boela while reinforcements of all types pour into the region.

Towards the end of the month, the IJN makes a major effort against Darwin to hinder the Allied air campaign in the DEI. The operation goes much as planned. Until an Allied CVE force and amphib ships are reported a few hexes north-west of Gove. Still, fortune favors the brave.

A sweeping force swings past to destroy the omni-present hoard of destroyers:-

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Darwin at 76,124, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oi
DD Sazanami, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk Unlucky there
DD Ushio

Allied Ships
PT-63
PT-64
PT-74
PT-105
PT-107
PT-111
PT-112
PT-113, Shell hits 1
PT-114, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-121, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-122, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-123, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

...but some are still left when the big guns appear...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Darwin at 76,124, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
BB Musashi
E Otori
E Kasasagi

Allied Ships
PT-38
PT-61
PT-67
PT-68
PT-73
PT-106
PT-108
PT-109
PT-110
PT-115
PT-116, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-118

This was lucky, as I've never ever seen the Yamato's do well against PT boats. The pride and joy of the IJN then get to fire freely at Darwin, and make a lovely mess.

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Night Naval bombardment of Darwin at 76,124

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 26 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 25 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed on ground
F6F-3 Hellcat: 50 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed on ground
P-38E Lightning: 26 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 7 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 13 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 damaged
Kittyhawk IV: 6 damaged
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40K Warhawk: 17 damaged
P-38H Lightning: 11 damaged
F-5A Lightning: 6 damaged
F-5A Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 11 damaged
B-25G Mitchell: 9 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi
BB Yamato

Allied ground losses:
427 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 80

The only losses are a single destroyer and one E-class ship that was sent to have a go at the Allied CVE/amphib force, but they ran away. I had detached a force of four crusiers to have a go at a night intercept on these ships as well, but they found nothing.

In retrospect, they might have did more good smashing Darwin up some more, but that's AE for you.

Burma

I've pretty much covered Burma in my previous few posts. The drawback from Northern Burma is almost complete, but it will take about two weeks for my troops to move through the jungles of Central Burma and into their new positions.

The air war has calmed down. After a drubbing trying to fight Allied P-47 sweeps from Magwe, I give up and pull my fighters back to Rangoon, where they're recovering their strength. Once they're back up to full strength, I'll throw them back into the fray.

I've also assembled a fairly decent IJN anti-shipping force in Burma now. Two 18 plane Nell squadrons and a 30 plane Jill squadron are based at Tavoy, so hopefully the next Fletcher task force that wanders into range will get a good welcome.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/28/2015 11:42:21 AM

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Then again, part of me wants to try to see Loka keep Ramree supplied when two size 8 airbases are within seven hexes of it...

Akyab is fully big enough to base 4-5 P-47 units. Supply can come down the coast under full fighter cover. LSTs unload in a day.

I forget that the Allies have an excess of expendable shipping.

Even so, if the hex due east of Akyab flies the Rising Sun, nothings going to flow out of Akyab regardless of how many LST's land.

My thinking is rapidly shifting to concentrating my best forces there: Lokasenna will know the value of Ramree as a supply dump, and if I've a strong stack blocking it, it may be a chance for me to tie down a lot of his raw AV power mounting attacks against IJA troops in x3 terrain. Or so I hope...

In our game he has over 45,000 troops in about 12 LCUs at Ramree. I have a huge stack at Akyab, slowly building supply with barges and a few throw-away xAKLs. Ramree is useful for the Allies since they can supply by sea, but harder for Japan with supply coming overland through non-road hexes. A difference for me though is we're still in July and I have only one P-47 unit and one Hellcat to guard Chittagong, Cox, and Akyab all three. He has over 100 great fighters at Magwe (Georges and Oscar IVs) and second-line at some other bases in range. He has swept my useless Hurricanes and Martlets a couple of times. But the equilibrium won't hold; I'm upgrading the Indians and Shermans are coming. Burma is just a stall, but it has some nice VPs for both sides.

I guess my point is he's seeing Ramree from both sides in two games. It can be taken by the Allies. It's just a matter of time and commitment. Once taken Allied engineers can do their thing and it's a nice base for use in the Rangoon phases. All you can really do is delay and make him commit. The Japan Story 1944.

As far as cutting off Akyab to the east, that's a lot harder for you. Akyab is on decent roads and it's well under fighter cover for Chittagong, which ought to be Level 9s by now. Chittagong has infinite supply by rail.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/8/2015 11:16:44 PM

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December 30th, 1943 to January 1st, 1944

Well, we've made it this far.

The broad strokes, seeing as I've not much time between various real life pressures.

DEI - Allies attempt a landing at a unoccupied hex in the DEI. KB intervenes, with one Allied CVE sunk. More strikes to follow tomorrow while the surface units of the IJN bombard Dobo and Taberfane again to keep the Allies on the back foot.

Burma - Withdrawal well underway

SWPAC - Allies land on New Ireland. Every aircraft I can scrape together will have a go at the amphibs, hopefully we can get some licks in before things really start going south in this theater. What IJN assets are in theater are deploying to assist.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2015 10:00:14 PM

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January 1st to January 2st, 1944

I have no idea what I'm doing. Morale in the IJ High Command has been low, but this is 1944 and it's war, and there's still hundreds of miles before the Home Islands are threatened.

CentPac

I'm pulling most of my air strength here back to Truk, the Marshalls are for the most part being abandoned in favour of the Kusaie-Ponape-Truk axis. Each of these bases is a good fortress, so no worries here at present.

SWPAC

As is quickly becoming the trend, everything goes to hell.

Kaiveng is bombarded to dust, trashing most of my fighter strength, and what strike planes do fly engage in the slaughter of worthless LST's. 900 Allied AV that landed at Namatanai on the southern end of New Ireland easily take the base, and they'll take Kaiveng in short order as well.

On top of that, USN carriers get to hammer a IJN heavy crusier force that I had dancing too close to the flames.

The New Britain barrier is breached, or at least will be in less than a week. I lose the Mogami and two destroyers, and the Mikuma needs some serious work in the yards.

I'm responding by reinforcing New Guinea and my bases around Manus. Hopefully we can tie the Allied advance down for a bit longer here. The KB is also shifting back to Truk, so we'll have the threat of the KB dashing full-speed from Truk as an asset to keep Loka honest.

DEI

Yamato eats two torpedoes. Flotation damage in the 40's, so she's out of the war for a long time.

We get a confirmed kill on the CVE Altamaha, but it's poor consolation as the bombardment routine screws me over (again), as a bombardment force on waypoints decides to linger in daylight around Dobo. I lose a destroyer to US attack bombers, and the Oi and Furutaka have some serious system damage to repair off.

On top of that, various air squadrons fly to their doom at Darwin, leading to a lot of dead planes and pilots for no results.

There's an Allied carrier force lingering south of Dobo, so I'm sending the KB to just off Bolea to see if it can get a long-range strike, while sending a slow battleship force to smash Taberfane into dust.

On the western flank, I'm sending my best pilots to sweep against Bathurst Island and hopefully get some kills on leakers from Darwins CAP.

Burma

The massed Allied bomber fleets destroy the Mongol Garrison Army on the ground in Central Burma. I've two divisions that are getting pretty plastered, but not much I can do - LRCAP tends to get sweeped to nothing by Thunderbolts, but by picking and choosing my battles I can get a reasonable exchange rate.

The Allies are moving now, evidently having picked up on my withdrawal, but by the time they've wandered through the jungle we'll be well in position

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2015 10:36:14 PM

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You still seem to be doing okay here. Fighting around New Britain in early 44 is not so bad.

For your bombardments, I just never use waypoints. Too much risk. I've never seen them work, but I've definitely heard the stories of them not working!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/13/2015 4:02:38 AM

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With bombardments unlike surface attacks it seems that the admiral does not take into account where the fleet will end up and in situations where the enemy has air superiority can lead them to do really stupid things, waypoints or no...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/13/2015 6:26:02 AM

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With bombardments unlike surface attacks it seems that the admiral does not take into account where the fleet will end up and in situations where the enemy has air superiority can lead them to do really stupid things, waypoints or no...

If I have them on 'direct' and 'high' threat tolerance they go right to the base and directly back to the home base.

If you want them to go a different direction after the bombardment just set a different home base. I rely on 'direct' movement and LR CAP not the 'normal' or 'safe' threat tolerances to adjust movement based on air superiority for bombardments. Those also get ships into trouble and let that admiral make unwise decisions, because to avoid contested air space the ships will make big loops and run out of ops points in the middle of a bad place.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/13/2015 10:50:23 AM

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Also I think fuel levels and ops expenditures make a difference on bombardment runs. Make sure no ops points are spent prior to sending in the bombardment, and also make sure there is plenty of fuel.

Every bombardment is an adventure!

Hopefully it will mess up the Allies.

It is kind of neat to see all the AARs that just crossed the 1944 barrier. I wonder how many will be around for 1945?

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/13/2015 10:15:52 PM

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Banzai! - Nomura H. in a B6N2 Jill is willing to die for the Emperor

The first of many...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/16/2015 7:34:15 PM

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January 3rd to January 5th

More of the same.

North Pacific

Snore in the Pacific, as is usual.

Central Pacific

Fletchers mount a bombardment of Kusaie, with little to show for it. I've some good CD guns here so the Fletchers need to spend more time dodging the 14cm CD guns than trashing the airbase.

US carriers mount a raid on Truk, the first of the war. They damage one heavy and one light cruiser, and sink three destroyers, but island itself is left alone. Following this, I surge my reserve fighters into the base to discourage any further attacks, which leads to the Allied carriers moving southwards towards Rabual. Two cruisers damaged and some destroyers sunk is an absolute miracle compared to the carnage that could have been caused.

The KB is re-focusing at Babeldoab, and if the Allies push that far forward again, I'll hopefully be able to get the KB up on their flank.

South-West Pacific

Preparations are well underway to activate the third line of bases in New Guinea for combat operations. Support units and isolated combat troops are being pulled back from Buna and flown out from Rabual and Kaiveng. Hansa Bay and Hollandia are being bulked up, as is Aitiape. Manus is going to bear the full brunt of the USN bombardment train for a few weeks yet, so I'm transitioning that base to a sacrificial target.

My hope now is to ram Northern New Guinea full of troops to make up for the time lost in the swift capture of New Ireland. If I can keep Hansa Bay and Hollandia in operation, I may just be able to succeed in this goal - Allied operations are severely hampered by the fact that New Britain is blocked off at both ends.

The Allies have landed at the dot bases in Western New Britain with token forces, but Japanese aircraft flying from Lae do a decent job of sinking the small amphibian ships before Lokasenna smartens up and uses CVE's to provide proper cover for his invasions.

On New Ireland, IJ troops are still withdrawing to Kavieng. If it's in Japanese hands by the end of the month I'll be exceptionally suprised - the Allies should hold it within the week.

South-West Pacific. Allied carrier forces are to the east of New Ireland, on the way back from raiding Truk

DEI

Much better news here, as the KB smashes an Allied crusier force off Taberfane. The crusiers Boston, Hawkins, Dorsetshire and Cornwall and their escorting destroyers are all sunk outright or heavily damaged. IJN battleships sail in to Taberfane and hammer the airbase, catching some Hellcats on the ground.

The KB withdraws in the face of reports of Allied carriers off of Northern Austrailia, and heads for Babeldoab. Meanwhile, I'm setting up Bolea as a forward re-arming point for the IJN surface units to shuttle-bombard Taberfane and Dobo.

On Saumlaki, I'm flying in additional troops to bolster the defenses while doing my best to keep hitting the base with cruiser bombardment runs.

Most of the IJN, including the Mini-KB, is still sitting in Soerabaja for the 1/44 upgrade cycle. The Yamato is pumping out the water from two torpedo attacks, and the Musashi is transiting back to the Home Islands for it's 1/44 upgrade and to return to NorPac.

The DEI. Babar is held by an Allied Seebee unit. The task forces around Darwin are flagged as a BB force and a CVE force. I'm also trying to smuggle supplies into Kai-eilanden to get it back up and running as a forward fighter base.

Burma

I'm getting ready to effect the last few stages of my withdrawal from Central Burma. As loathe as I am to abandon the excellent airbase network of Central Burma, I suspect it's becoming a necessity. However, it will take some time for the Allies to get enough aviation support for these bases in position, and in the meantime I hope to be able to mount a massive bombing campaign on any Allied unit that wanders into the open terrain.

Burma

Industry

My supplies have taken a 400k windfall as I've dispatched massive shipments all over the empire. I'm going to slack off on sending out excessive shipments for the present and try to get the magic supply number back op over the 4 million mark.

I'll put a more comprehensive industry update up once I have the time and access to tracker.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/20/2015 7:02:41 PM

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Loka's out of the picture for some R&R till next week, and I'm switching countries for three months, so likely we'll see things slow right down to a crawl here.

The current date is January 13th

Notable events since the last update:

- KB gets a chance to mount an 8 hex strike on Allied carrier forces off New Ireland. Half the KB's planes don't fly due to the task force being on retirement allowed. Those that do are butchered by the Allied CAP for no hits. No Allied return strike.
- The Allies grind away in the SWPAC. Manus is next
- CentPac seems to be stalemated for now. Nothing more than a token Japanese air presence here.
- The Allies nearly pull off a breakthrough on the Akyab front in Burma, but Japanese troops hold the line long enough to pull back to better terrain.
- The Allies start to leak into the areas abandoned by the Japanese in Burma.
- The IJN continues to hold the Allies up in the DEI. The issue of Saumlaki is still in contention, both of us are reinforcing it as fast as we can.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/20/2015 9:05:28 PM

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and I'm switching countries for three months

Surely this doesn't mean that you are headed for 'another country' south of Gretna Green? Somewhere more exotic, I hope

I'm still enjoying your AAR very much and finding it an invaluable resource for anticipating what Japan will be up against in the later game. Keep it up!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/20/2015 10:19:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

and I'm switching countries for three months

Surely this doesn't mean that you are headed for 'another country' south of Gretna Green? Somewhere more exotic, I hope

I'm still enjoying your AAR very much and finding it an invaluable resource for anticipating what Japan will be up against in the later game. Keep it up!

Slightly further afield, I'm off to the Netherlands!

That reminds me, still need to get AE installed on my laptop.

I'll try to get a big update in at some point over the next few weeks to bring everything up to date, but don't hold your breath.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 6/19/2015 12:03:35 AM

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Minor update from me. Wrong country for screenshots etc, so you'll have to forgive the text only.

The war still grinds on. The current date is January 21st.

In the South-West Pacific, the iron ring closes tighter on Kaiveng, and Japanese troops on New Ireland will be wiped out by the end of the month.

On New Guinea, Buna remains in Japanese hands while the rest of New Guinea is frantically fortified and reinforced.

Minor sparring in the air over CentPac

In the lower DEI, Saumlaki is fast turning into the most contested real estate in the world. The Allied make a "quick and dirty" landing in response to the IJA air-bridge flying troops in. Lots of Allied troops get ashore, but most are disabled. Forts for the Japanese defenders of Saumlaki are creeping towards level 6 (currently 5.85).

At sea, Japanese aircraft flying from bases on Timor and Ceram smash through Allied CAP and get at the CVE ships covering the landing. 5 Allied CVE damaged (two likely sunk) plus a handfull of amphibious ships are damaged.

The KB and Mini-KB are combining to cover a reinforcement convoy destined for Saumlaki containing 1/3rd of a division. More or less the entire IJN is in support, and will be used to ensure that the fight for Saumlaki is drawn out even longer. Between the air bridge and landing extra troops, I hope to be able to force the Americans to fight on my terms, attacking level 6 forts, or risk reinforcing even further.

In Burma, the withdrawal is almost complete. All that remains is for the western flank, along the coastal road, to withdraw back to the hex directly east of Ramree Island. Elsewhere in Burma, the lines are more or less drawn. The Chindits were dropped on Lashio in mid-January, but an IJA division and a tank regiment, with some bombing support threw them out with heavy losses.

In China, the TOE upgrade for the collaborationist units has led to a few more units being freed up, and they're being sent to the Paoshan front to clog up the mountain passes to prevent the Allies from ever returning to China...

R&D work carries on...

OT: It's quite funny seeing De Ruyterlaan and Piet Heinstraat, made me immediately think of AE!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 6/19/2015 5:09:25 AM

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Welcome to the Netherlands!

Actually, de Ruyterlaan should remind you of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 6/19/2015 10:29:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Welcome to the Netherlands!

Actually, de Ruyterlaan should remind you of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

Thanks for the welcome! I knew a little about Dutch naval history, but I suppose the most salient association with de Ruyterlaan was with the plucky Dutch light cruiser that starts in the DEI.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 6/19/2015 11:31:55 AM

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General Thoughts

South-West Pacific/Central Pacific

The fall of Kavieng and New Ireland will lead to a great many units being destroyed, most of whom are aviation support units. This isn't too bad, as it will let me buy them back and redeploy them elsewhere.

Currently, I think the most pressing need is in the Marianas. The forts, troops and airbases are ready for the defense, but we still need the aviation support and the planes themselves. The units bought back from New Ireland should go a long way towards completing the air defense capabilities of the Marianas.

I'll also send some to Babeldaob and Peliliu, as I'm currently using Babeldoab as the main base for the KB seeing as Truk is no longer a safe harbor.

DEI

Now that Loka has made a big effort to reinforce Saumlaki, I want to up the stakes for this base. The chances I'll have for fighting his CV strength on my own terms becomes slimmer as the turns roll by. Ideally, I want to be able to reinforce the base and make him come back into range again to drop more troops off.

My chances of actually pushing the Allies off the island completely are very slim, but my hope is to turn the base into a meatgrinder for his ships. In that respect it's the perfect situation for me: Timor is an unsinkable airbase (and a difficult one to bombard) and I've the repair yards at Soereabaja and Manila within arms reach, as well as the fuel from Balikipapan only a few days sail away.

Philippines

The buildup on Luzon continues, but the priority for newly arriving troops in China is for the Paoshan front, so Luzon is slipping down the priority ladder at this point. Even so, I hope to have 2k AV to defend Manila by 4/44, with 400 AV to hold Bataan and another 400 AV to defend Aparri, along with a smattering of smaller units to hold the islands and bases in the south.

Elsewhere in the PI, I've some engineers en-route to Cebu, which will be my main airbase in the Central DEI. I also plan to try to get some engineers along to Cagayan, which will be the hub for the defense of Mindanao. Both of these bases will likely be built to size 9 airbases, so that the Allies have as hard a time as possible grinding up the PI.

The bottleneck at present is really troops to man the defenses. I've half of a division sitting at Davao on Mindanao, but I'm debating shipping that formation out for the struggle at Saumlaki. Thankfully, I get 7 divisions in the next 90 days, along with 9 brigades and a smattering of naval guards and the like.

Temporary assignment of these units is as follows:

Sumatra - 1 division (so that all the bases on the Indian Ocean side of the island have a division garrison)
Malaya/Thailand - 3 divisions, 3 brigades (with the Allies on the move in Burma for real, I want a strong reserve in Thailand
DEI - 1 division, 3 brigades
Luzon - 2 divisions, 3 brigades.

Obviously, there are other areas that need reinforcement, like the Kuriles, the Bonins, Formosa and the Ryukyu Islands, but of these, only the Kuriles are likely to be attacked in the next 3-6 months, and we're ready for that, though in light of recent events in other AAR's, I'm reshuffling my defense of Hokkaido to maximize the AV focused on the most exposed beaches...

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the state of things for January '44. They could be better, but they could be much worse as well.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/2/2015 11:42:50 AM

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I had a trawl through my PM folder earlier, and there's lots of good advice that I didn't heed and regret it now.

Still, it's a learning experience.

A short update that I'll fill out later:

- KB shows up at Saumlaki and sinks an USN crusier force.
- I get a 1/3rd of a division onto Saumlaki but with heavy losses.
- IJN destroyers raid Darwin, lose three destroyers but sink a fast BB.
- Allies land at Ramree and the hex between Ramree and Akyab. IJA troops should be able to roadblock them in until my stack can withdraw.
- Night bombing continues to be absurdly effective for the Allies.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/10/2015 12:08:30 AM

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Mind-Messing-

I can't believe you've managed to hold onto Burma this late in the war.

If El Lobo accomplishes that with me, I will be pouting big time!

Best Regards,

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/13/2015 6:22:44 PM

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Mind-Messing-

I can't believe you've managed to hold onto Burma this late in the war.

If El Lobo accomplishes that with me, I will be pouting big time!

Best Regards,

-Terry

I have had significant advantages in Burma:

- Numerous divisions redeployed to Burma after the fall of Chungking, more or less all of which were above 90 EXP
- The entire artillery park of the Chinese and Manchurian armies. That represents a great many guns, most of which are heavy hitters.
- Most of the support assets from China. AA, engineers, aviation support. It all adds up.

On top of that, Lokasenna has had no interest in fighting in Burma till recently. I'm not so convinced that was the right decision - it's gave me the time to make a (reasonably) good withdrawal to defensive lines that play to my strengths. On the other hand, he has a sizable force of Chinese that have spent the past year or so resting and refitting that look very, very good on paper (but seem to be performing poorly in actual combat).

I think it should be possible to hold at least part of Burma through to 1945, given my current circumstances, with a little luck and some good play from me. Trying to hold the central plains beyond '44 is a pipe-dream if the Allies attack in anything resembling a serious force, but I've some hope in being able to tie the Allies down trying to break through to Rangoon for the best part of '44.

I think the best course of action once late '44 rolls around is to start a wholesale withdrawal of troops from Burma into Malaya and Thailand. The risk of a Inchon or Anzio style landing in your rear massively outweighs the value of denying Rangoon to the Allies.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/13/2015 6:44:14 PM

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OTOH Rangoon is about a 2000 VP swing.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/13/2015 7:05:07 PM

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OTOH Rangoon is about a 2000 VP swing.

Hmm.

For the Allies, Rangoon is about a 2.5k VP swing and the best naval and airbase on the eastern side of the Bay of Bengal.

Singapore is a 3k swing, the best base in the region and the death blow to any oil/fuel exports from Sumatra point blank.

If I get a choice, I'd want my troops to be destroyed defending Singers rather than Rangoon. I'll make the effort to defend Rangoon for as long as possible, but the fear of getting Obvert'd remains in my mind.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/13/2015 9:05:59 PM

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OTOH Rangoon is about a 2000 VP swing.

Hmm.

For the Allies, Rangoon is about a 2.5k VP swing and the best naval and airbase on the eastern side of the Bay of Bengal.

Singapore is a 3k swing, the best base in the region and the death blow to any oil/fuel exports from Sumatra point blank.

If I get a choice, I'd want my troops to be destroyed defending Singers rather than Rangoon. I'll make the effort to defend Rangoon for as long as possible, but the fear of getting Obvert'd remains in my mind.

2640 currently in my game with Loka. I was referring to un-built and no troop VPs.

It's a good base, no denying. I was reacting to a plan to abandon it in 1944, not whether you can keep it to the end. Most Allied players re-take it; few-ish re-take Singers. By the time you can you don't need to. By the time the Allies can take Singers Japan had better be done with long-range oil shipments. With Magwe's oil and Rangoon's LI and refineries it can be a real costly bear to take down. It's a choice to stay or a choice to go. Yes, he can do an Inchon to the south. That doesn't get him the VPs. He has to pay in blood for those.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 7/14/2015 8:26:40 PM

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February 3rd, 1944

I've forgotten where we stand in regards to updates, so I'll give a general overview of the situation theater by theater.

North Pacific

The snore in the Pacific continues up here. I've redeployed most of the resurrected naval guard units from the SWPAC area to the islands up here to act as stand-in garrisons until the IJA units assigned to the Northern Army start to arrive. Loka has had nearly a year and a half to dig the Aleutians into a nice string of bases, but neither my subs or search planes have detected any serious moves towards the Home Islands.

Still, complacency is something I can't afford. As daunting as attacking the Kuriles, with all the large airbases in range would be for the Allies, it is well within their abilities at this stage, so vigilance is what is needed.

Central Pacific

This theater has degenerated into petty sniping between the Allied bases on the Gilberts and Japanese footholds on the Marshall Islands. Sometimes the Allies bomb my airbases and sometimes I bomb Allied convoys transiting the region. The Marshall Islands are all ready for invasions, but judging by Allied moves the tides of war might sweep past these bases.

South-West Pacific

New Ireland has been swept clean of Japanese forces, Rabual is a smoking collection of shell craters and the Allies are on the verge of taking Buna. The 64th IJA division is trying to withdraw from Buna in the face of Allied opposition, something I had wanted to avoid,seeing as Buna is a size 7 airbase, but at this point I'd rather save the troops. The support units have already fled the base.

The news is not all bad, however, as an Allied landing at Lae goes terribly wrong, with the 37th USA Division and a supporting regiment landing into the teeth of the 15th IJA division. Behind level 4 forts and in jungle-rough terrain, the first shock attack of the American troops went badly: the Allies will need to bring more firepower if they want to dislodge the Japanese from this base. It is my hope that we can delay the Allies long enough at Lae for the units at Buna to march their way up the coast to join in the defense.

The longer the Allies spend fighting for Lae, the better. It's in range of Hansa Bay, my largest airbase, and with the first wave failing to take the base, the Allies will need to come back to land more troops. At that point I'll have my strike planes waiting - Lae is five hexes from Hansa Bay, the perfect range for me to use my resized dive bomber squadrons.

Further up the coast, every base from Lae to Hollandia is ready for the fight as well, so if the Allies persist in advancing along the New Guinea axis, it's to be a hard fight. On this side of the map the Allies have few good options for advancing beyond New Britain. Kusaie, Ponape and Truk are all fortresses, New Guinea is well prepared for an attack and Wake, Marcus and the Marshall Islands are all well defended...

DEI

Saumlaki continues to be the focus of the action here. I've sortied the KB to cover a resupply operation for the island, and they narrowly miss being able to bait another USN cruiser force into striking range.

I dislike having the KB tied down supporting this operation, but at the present I don't have much choice - I want to keep Saumlaki and tie down the Allies here for as long as possible. Once there's sufficient supply on the island the KB will be rebased to Babeldoab to watch both the Eastern DEI and the Pacific.

Burma

With an Australian division taking Ramree by amphibious assault, this theater has became vastly more interesting.

The Allies control the central plains, while my troops are entrenched around Rangoon, on the trail to Thailand and in the mountain pass to China.

I have two divisions worth of troops acting as a cork to stop up Ramree while the rest of my troops withdraw southwards from Akyab. Once my troops recombine in the hex due east from Ramree, I'm debating detaching a force of two divisions or so to retake Ramree. This is an operation that would require some bombardment support from the IJN, and to that end I've already detached a cruiser force from the DEI to support operations.

The more I think about moving against Ramree, the more I like the notion - if I do this, the hexside control of Ramree becomes mine, preventing supplies from flowing out via land. If I take the base, great, I destroy a division and retake an important base. If I stall and fail to take the base, the Allies need to throw my troops out before supplies can flow. The fact that an IJN crusier force can shuttle-bombard the base is an added bonus, and that this will in turn draw out Allied ships to defend the base is another added bonus...

Plus, it might be nice to take the initiative while I still can...

The current state of affairs in Burma. Note the IJA troops deployed in their planned defensive positions and the vanguard of Allied troops just making contact.

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