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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/12/2015 1:06:09 PM   
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Sorry for the late response, I searched so many sources all night to reply.

I list those unchanged/ongoing issues from 'DB3000 issues' spreadsheet below:

(Sources are in spreadsheet as I cannot post source location yet)



2296
Type 052D Luyang III [172 Kunming] (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Add-ons), Also 173 (Changsha, 2015) is in service.

Suggested solution: Change the picture for 172 to the correct one, Add 173 Changsha in database

Remark: 173 Changsha has no real photo yet, General Description is recommened (if not necessary) to include.



696
Type 052C Luyang II [170 Lanzhou] (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Addons) of "173" as it have no such number on this series, also 4 new ships (numbers in spreadsheet) are in services.

Suggested solution: Remove incorrect picture (173), Add new numbers in database, please note those are installed with domestic turbine engines called QC-280.

Remark: Update General Description (optional), sources for pictures are in spreadsheet.



577 and 580
Type 041 Yuan (039C) (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Add-ons)

Suggested solution: Change the picture to the correct one

Remark: The redesigned conning tower with extrusion suggested it have limited improvement of signature (noise) reduction compare to the previous models.



660 and 2494
Type 908 Fusu [885 Qinghaihu] (China)

Issue: Incorrect max speed & fuel capacity, (DEL)cannot refuel or replenish

Suggested solution: Max speed is 16 kts, Total fuel is 9630 tons, (DEL)Add refuel and replenish properties

Additional reply: It seems I was mistaken between naval replenishment and cargo transfer for Type 908. I've searched many military websites but so far there's none mentioned about its naval replenishment capability to Chinese indigenous warships. Unmarked the issue with (DEL) ahead.



ID [Numerous]
Depth Charge Rockets

Issue: No option for launching depth charge rocket against torpedo

Suggested solution: Add Torpedo as Valid Target.

Remark: Unlike specifically designed anti-torpedo torpedo or depth charge, they're relatively unreliable (especially high speed and/or agile torpedo). Some salvo can direct with ship-based acoustic system to increase accuracy. It is optional to use it as a final resort.

Additional reply: Need time to search for more sources.

Only few does mentioned the anti-torpedo purpose with depth charge during WWII. The closest case is the Saab ASW-601's magnetic grenade salvo can also contact and detonate any attached target undersea. Yet it does not mentioned its anti-torpedo capability.

Also the alarmingly aggressive use of rocket depth charge salvo by Chinese Navy during naval drills in recent years, suggested its doctrine of anti-torpedo engagement. The theory from source also supported it. However the effectiveness is still in question, as the case of torpedo being intercepted by rocket depth charge is not yet found.

Other countries' navies however have no reported case of using rocket depth charge against torpedo, and only fire decoys instead. Except the Soviet's RBU-1000 is the first case of intended use of anti-torpedo with convential depth charge warhead, which is from 1962.

In short: Unusual, but encouraging.

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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/13/2015 8:51:30 AM   
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Update to Le Triomphant SSBN

Modernization of French Strategic Oceanic Force: Le Triomphant SSBN Now Fitted with M51 SLBM

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On August 4, 2015, the French Navy (Marine Nationale) took over full responsibility and the effective command of ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) Le Triomphant (S616). This transfer of responsibility is an important milestone following the refit period started in May 2013 for maintenance, repairs, modernization and adaptation to the M51 new generation submarine launched ballistic missile (SLMB). Le Triomphant will now start some trials at sea before returning in the operational cycle.
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Le Triomphant, head of the class commissioned in 1997, returned to the French Navy SSBN base of L'île Longue on April 14, 2015, following 20 months of work at the DCNS shipyard in Brest naval base. Work focused on the upgrade of the missile launch system. The SSBN is switching from the M45 SLBM to the new generation M51 SLBM. The submarine was also fitted with the new SYCOBS tactical combat system (a new combat management system common to Barracuda class SSN and the Le Triomphant class) and an overall more efficient navigation system (SGN-3E). Le Triomphant will also be able to deploy the F21 new generation heavyweight torpedo for self defense once procured by the French Navy. Finally, this periodic downtime was an important step for the Le Triomphant since this was her mid-life refit.

more at http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2989

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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/13/2015 9:32:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

Sorry for the late response, I searched so many sources all night to reply.

I list those unchanged/ongoing issues from 'DB3000 issues' spreadsheet below:

(Sources are in spreadsheet as I cannot post source location yet)


Thanks

The text/photo errors are not my table. Need to contact the text/photo guys on that.

On depth charge use against torps... really could need more info on that. But do not think we should add that capability if it isn't really in use IRL.

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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/13/2015 12:35:19 PM   
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Update to Le Triomphant SSBN

Modernization of French Strategic Oceanic Force: Le Triomphant SSBN Now Fitted with M51 SLBM

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On August 4, 2015, the French Navy (Marine Nationale) took over full responsibility and the effective command of ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) Le Triomphant (S616). This transfer of responsibility is an important milestone following the refit period started in May 2013 for maintenance, repairs, modernization and adaptation to the M51 new generation submarine launched ballistic missile (SLMB). Le Triomphant will now start some trials at sea before returning in the operational cycle.
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Le Triomphant, head of the class commissioned in 1997, returned to the French Navy SSBN base of L'île Longue on April 14, 2015, following 20 months of work at the DCNS shipyard in Brest naval base. Work focused on the upgrade of the missile launch system. The SSBN is switching from the M45 SLBM to the new generation M51 SLBM. The submarine was also fitted with the new SYCOBS tactical combat system (a new combat management system common to Barracuda class SSN and the Le Triomphant class) and an overall more efficient navigation system (SGN-3E). Le Triomphant will also be able to deploy the F21 new generation heavyweight torpedo for self defense once procured by the French Navy. Finally, this periodic downtime was an important step for the Le Triomphant since this was her mid-life refit.

more at http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2989



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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/13/2015 11:48:31 PM   
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Regarding the Angola AAA.

The image resolution isn't the greatest, but looking at what they reportedly have, the shape, and the rough dimensions, I think most if not all AAA around the SA-2 and SA-3 sites is the 37mm M-1939(no way to know if it's the single or twin barrel)


illustration from one of "Planeman's" post

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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/14/2015 1:37:07 AM   
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Low priority

LD-2000, land-based version of the Type 730 shipboard seven-barrelled 30mm close-in weapon system (CIWS).
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The mission of LD2000 is to protect high-value ground assets such as nuclear facilities, TBM launching positions, long-range SAM troops and central command centers, etc.

Three different versions pictured
1. With Type 347G radar

2. With Type 347G radar and with elevating mast acquisition radar

3. Type 347G, different mast acquisition radar, and 6 TY-90 SAMs


Reported to have EO/IR and laser designator

Parade/base inspection pics(also showing round mast radar)
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Div-ADS.html#mozTocId541017
http://www.armyrecognition.com/airshow_china_2014_zhuhai_news_coverage_report_uk/chinese_ld2000_ground-based_close-in_30mm_seven-barrel_cannon_air_defense_weapon_system_1711143.html
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4174.html

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While intended to fulfill much the same role as the Russian Pantsyr S1 / SA-22 system, the LD-2000 is hampered by older technology acquisition and engagement radar technology in comparison with its Russian competitor. The cited use of SLC-2 / AN/TPQ-37 Block 1B Firefinder artillery locating radar indicates an intent to address this capability limitation. This radar is however optimised for the CBR role, which differs in geometry from the Counter-PGM roles.

This will limit the system's ability to acquire and track low signature targets, especially guided weapons. To date no evidence has emerged showing the integration of extant PESA air defence engagement radars such as the H-200 or SJ-231 with the LD-2000 system, both of these radars providing the power-aperture performance and beam-steering agility required to make the LD-2000 genuinely effective in killing salvoes of high angle low signature smart munitions. A single H-200 or SJ-231 supporting three, four or six LD-2000 fire units makes for a formidable point defence capability.

Current acquisition radar technology does not preclude further development of this system as China's industry eventually masters PESA and AESA antenna technology. A mature LD-2000 variant has the potential to be a very effective terminal defence weapon against supersonic and subsonic guided weapons.

This could be already implemented. This sat image may show LD-2000s at a HQ-9 site at 40.352183°, 116.682721°







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Sovremennyy sonar error - 8/14/2015 7:55:40 PM   
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Hi

I have been playing NF2: X-Ray station, and one of my subs got detected at quite some distance and below the layer by a Sovremennyy class DDG.

In the DB3000 v.439 it is equipped with hull sonar, VDS and a TASS.

IRL it´s only equipped with a hull sonar.

http://milit.ru/956.htm

http://warfare.be/db/catid/269/linkid/1743/

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/956.htm

http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/shippictures/warshippictures/sovremennyy.htm

If you could correct this, it would be great.

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RE: Sovremennyy sonar error - 8/14/2015 10:35:50 PM   
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F/A-18s getting new defensive EW. F/A-18C/D getting AN/ALQ-214(V)5, F/A-18E/F getting AN/ALQ-214(V)4. No word on the growlers yet.

From : http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2998&utm_content=buffera24eb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"Electronic warfare (EW) experts at the Exelis Inc. in Clifton, N.J., will provide the U.S. Navy with 46 sophisticated EW systems designed to protect Navy combat aircraft from incoming radar-guided missiles. Officials of the Naval Air Systems Command at Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Md., have announced a $97.3 million contract to Exelis to build 46 full-rate production lot XII AN/ALQ-214(V)4/5 integrated defensive electronic countermeasures airborne jammer systems for the Navy's F/A-18C/D and F/A-18E/F Hornet and Super Hornet carrier-based strike fighters."

From : http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2013/pdf/navy/2013idecm.pdf

"IB-4 (currently in development) is intended to replace the onboard receiver/jammer (ALQ-214(V)3) with a lightweight, repackaged onboard jammer (ALQ-214(V)4 and ALQ-214(V)5). "

From : http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Exelis_AN/ALQ-214#AN.2FALQ-214.28V.295

"AN/ALQ-214(V)4

Version for the US Navy tailored to the F/A-18E/F Hornet.

AN/ALQ-214(V)5

Version for the US Navy tailored to the F/A-18C/D Hornet and will replace the AN/ALQ-162."


Retrofits have already been contracted

From : https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d91d84ddcbdcb42b808b9979e88df590&tab=core&_cview=0

"Engineering Change Proposal (ECP) to retrofit the existing AN/ALQ-214(V)4 and AN/ALQ-214(V)5 in Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) AF/A-18F and AEA-18F aircraft, and in U.S. Navy (USN) Lot 38 F/A-18E aircraft"


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RE: Sovremennyy sonar error - 8/15/2015 1:19:55 AM   
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2296
Type 052D Luyang III [172 Kunming] (China)

Issue: Incorrect picture (from Database Images & Descriptions Add-ons), Also 173 (Changsha, 2015) is in service.

Suggested solution: Change the picture for 172 to the correct one, Add 173 Changsha in database

Remark: 173 Changsha has no real photo yet, General Description is recommened (if not necessary) to include.


Today, the first photo of the Changsha with pennant-number 173 (indicating commissioning) was posted:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/attachments/143140j94i6w7vw9ig6wzw-jpg.17074

So, the rumors and the Jane's reports were true, after all.

I might also add that the Type 052C Luyang-II still needs some fixing, though. In the DB, it still lacks its ECM suite, towed torpedo decoy and Mineral-ME OTH radars, systems that she shares with the 052D and 054A.

The 052C Luyang-II's only difference to the 052D Luyang-III is, aside of the main radars, that it lacks a VDS. ECM, OTH and torpedo-decoy remain consistent with the other/newer ships.

Thanks!




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RE: 052C ECM - 8/15/2015 12:30:04 PM   
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I might also add that the Type 052C Luyang-II still needs some fixing, though. In the DB, it still lacks its ECM suite, towed torpedo decoy and Mineral-ME OTH radars, systems that she shares with the 052D and 054A.

The 052C Luyang-II's only difference to the 052D Luyang-III is, aside of the main radars, that it lacks a VDS. ECM, OTH and torpedo-decoy remain consistent with the other/newer ships.

Didn't find out actually, but could you elaborate what kind of ECM system are they using? Name, range and abilities.

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RE: 052C ECM - 8/16/2015 4:05:34 AM   
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Can you add the future royal navy helo AEW which will replace the Sea King ASaC.7. It is the Crowsnest radar system which is the EL/M-2052 AESA radar. The Crowsnest kit is roll-on/roll-off mission fit for the 30 RN Merlin HM.2 anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopters.

http://www.janes.com/article/48859/lockheed-martin-rolls-out-crowsnest-solution
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/thales-bags-selection-for-rn-crowsnest-system-412700/
http://www.janes.com/article/51627/thales-selected-to-provide-crowsnest-mission-fit
http://defense-update.com/20150208_crowsnest.html#.VdALTlNVhBc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EL/M-2052
http://www.iai.co.il/2013/36566-34455-en/ELTA%20-%20Systems%20by%20Product%20Lines.aspx

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RE: 052C ECM - 8/16/2015 2:14:11 PM   
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The Russian missile cruiser Kirov-class is apparently being updated to carry S-400 SAM's.

Source: https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/107237.html

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RE: HV-22 - 8/16/2015 5:54:04 PM   
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Unit Request - HV-22C Osprey - Updates will come as the design process progresses

From : http://news.usni.org/2015/04/02/navair-details-changes-in-navy-v-22-osprey-variant

-Unofficially referred to as the HV-22 by the USN. It is the third variant of the V-22 (Others are the USAF CV-22A and USMC MV-22B) so the likely designation will be the HV-22C.

"Though the January MOU called the Navy variant the HV-22, in contrast to the Marines’ MV-22 and the special operations CV-22, Brown said the Navy has not officially named the Navy variant yet."

-Delivery and introduction date is 2020

"“The engineering change will add an extended range fuel system, high-frequency radio and public address system. The engineering change is planned to be incorporated into the V-22 production line with the FY18 procurement of Navy variant V-22s, with deliveries commencing in approximately 2020.”"

"Marine Corps Reserve pilots who are already trained to operate the MV-22 would join carrier airwings to fly COD missions on the first few deployments once the Navy variant delivers in FY 2020. Marines will train Navy crews to operate and maintain the platform."

-1150 nautical mile range unrefueled and with cargo

"“To best support the Navy’s ‘rebalance toward the Asia-Pacific region’ as directed by the Defense Strategic Guidance (January 2012), the COD requires the ability to transport cargo loads at least 1,150 nm under the environmental conditions most commonly found in the Pacific [area of responsibility].”"

"Still, the Navy is seeking a range of 1,150 nautical miles without aerial refueling. Brown said the aircraft would need more fuel to reach that range, which requires trading off other capabilities such as the number of passengers. Whereas the Marines would be using the MV-22 to transport battle-ready Marines and their gear, the Navy variant would be able to go farther but carry less weight while transporting people and equipment."

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RE: HV-22 - 8/16/2015 6:06:14 PM   
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Mk.15 Mod.31 SeaRAM installation on 4 USN Arleigh Burke class DDGs. It will replace the 20mm CIWS currently onboard. They could be done with the installation sometime in 2016.

USS Carney (DDG 64)
USS Ross (DDG 71)
USS Donald Cook (DDG 75)
USS Porter (DDG 78)

From : http://www.janes.com/article/53273/searam-set-for-rota-based-ddg-51-destroyers

"The US Navy (USN) is moving ahead with a fast-track programme to install Raytheon Missile Systems' Mk 15 Mod 31 SeaRAM inner-layer missile system on four DDG-51 Arleigh Burke-class Aegis guided-missile destroyers forward deployed to Rota, Spain.

Using funding reprogrammed from fiscal year 2015 (FY 2015) appropriations, the navy will acquire four SeaRAM systems for installation on USS Carney (DDG 64), USS Ross (DDG 71), USS Donald Cook (DDG 75) and USS Porter (DDG 78). It has also provisioned funds for Aegis/SeaRAM integration, and combat system hardware/software modifications.

The Mk 15 Mod 31 SeaRAM is an adaptation of the Mk 15 Block 1B close-in weapon system (CIWS) that replaces the 20 mm M61A1 Gatling gun with an 11-round guide for the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)."


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RE: HV-22 - 8/16/2015 7:12:41 PM   
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UH-72A Lakota (USA, Thailand)

Introduction: 2007

Range: 350 Nautical Miles

Number Built: 300+

Y-20 Kunpeng (PLAAF)

Introduction: Unknown (Probably 2020s)

Range: 6000 Miles

Number Built: 4 (Prototypes)

S-97 Raider (US Army)

Introduction: 2020s

Range: 354 Miles

Number Built: 1 (Prototype)

F-16V Viper

Introduction: Late 2010s

Range:Same as F-16C Blk 52

Number Built: 0

F-16IN Super Viper (Hypothetical) (IAF)

Introduction: Late 2010s-Early 2020s

Range: Same as F-16C Blk 52

Number Built: 0

Do you plan on expanding conflicts into the 2030s or even 2040s? If so, I would recommend to look up "Wrath of the Skies Project" on Google Images. I thought these were some nice looking designs that could be implemented in the game for future conflicts. Thoughts?

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Smartracks - 8/16/2015 8:27:13 PM   
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Extremely low priority (just a typo really) but for pretty much all USAF F-16Cs 2005 and onward, the BRU-55 twin rack (for GBU38 and 54) should actually be the BRU-57. The BRU-55 is the Navy version on the F/A-18.

http://www.exelisinc.com/solutions/Cartridge-Actuated-Multiple-Carriage/Pages/default.aspx

Note that this also implies that maybe there should be multi (L)JDAM load BRU-55 loads for Navy and Marine C model Hornets, I know they've done 3 and 4 GBU-38s on a jet operationally. But I have no need for these loadouts right now so no hurry at all.

Also not implemented yet are USAF F-16C SDB loads starting from about the 2014 model. With either 8 SDBs or 4 SDBs + a BRU 57 with either 2 54s or 2 38s.

Again: no urgent need for me at all. Just reporting.

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RE: HV-22 - 8/16/2015 11:47:05 PM   
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Mk.15 Mod.31 SeaRAM installation on 4 USN Arleigh Burke class DDGs. It will replace the 20mm CIWS currently onboard. They could be done with the installation sometime in 2016.

USS Carney (DDG 64)
USS Ross (DDG 71)
USS Donald Cook (DDG 75)
USS Porter (DDG 78)

From : http://www.janes.com/article/53273/searam-set-for-rota-based-ddg-51-destroyers

"The US Navy (USN) is moving ahead with a fast-track programme to install Raytheon Missile Systems' Mk 15 Mod 31 SeaRAM inner-layer missile system on four DDG-51 Arleigh Burke-class Aegis guided-missile destroyers forward deployed to Rota, Spain.

Using funding reprogrammed from fiscal year 2015 (FY 2015) appropriations, the navy will acquire four SeaRAM systems for installation on USS Carney (DDG 64), USS Ross (DDG 71), USS Donald Cook (DDG 75) and USS Porter (DDG 78). It has also provisioned funds for Aegis/SeaRAM integration, and combat system hardware/software modifications.

The Mk 15 Mod 31 SeaRAM is an adaptation of the Mk 15 Block 1B close-in weapon system (CIWS) that replaces the 20 mm M61A1 Gatling gun with an 11-round guide for the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)."


Do you know if they're replacing the forward or aft CWIS? All of those ships are Flight I BMD vessels that have 2 CWIS. Or are they replacing both?

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RE: HV-22 - 8/17/2015 3:13:16 AM   
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Do you know if they're replacing the forward or aft CWIS? All of those ships are Flight I BMD vessels that have 2 CWIS. Or are they replacing both?


The article on Janes says they are procuring 4 launchers for 4 ships, so there will be one replaced per vessel. I don't know which of the 2 CWISs they are replacing.

My guess would be aft because it provides more coverage for acquisition by the RAM missiles than the forward mount. The PLAN does this will the FL-3000N on the Type 052D where they stick the launcher on the back and put the Type 730 in front. I would imagine the USN would do the same.

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RE: 052C ECM - 8/17/2015 4:00:09 AM   
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I might also add that the Type 052C Luyang-II still needs some fixing, though. In the DB, it still lacks its ECM suite, towed torpedo decoy and Mineral-ME OTH radars, systems that she shares with the 052D and 054A.

The 052C Luyang-II's only difference to the 052D Luyang-III is, aside of the main radars, that it lacks a VDS. ECM, OTH and torpedo-decoy remain consistent with the other/newer ships.

Didn't find out actually, but could you elaborate what kind of ECM system are they using? Name, range and abilities.

I found it, it's HZ-100 (originally named Type 825, not found in database) and Type 984 (in database, only used by 052D).

It's also been used by 054, 054A and 052C. 056 and other older combat vessels are remain unconfirmed.



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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/17/2015 7:47:10 PM   
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LD-2000, land-based version of the Type 730 shipboard seven-barrelled 30mm close-in weapon system (CIWS).
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The mission of LD2000 is to protect high-value ground assets such as nuclear facilities, TBM launching positions, long-range SAM troops and central command centers, etc.

Three different versions pictured
1. With Type 347G radar

2. With Type 347G radar and with elevating mast acquisition radar

3. Type 347G, different mast acquisition radar, and 6 TY-90 SAMs


Reported to have EO/IR and laser designator

Parade/base inspection pics(also showing round mast radar)
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Div-ADS.html#mozTocId541017
http://www.armyrecognition.com/airshow_china_2014_zhuhai_news_coverage_report_uk/chinese_ld2000_ground-based_close-in_30mm_seven-barrel_cannon_air_defense_weapon_system_1711143.html
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4174.html

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While intended to fulfill much the same role as the Russian Pantsyr S1 / SA-22 system, the LD-2000 is hampered by older technology acquisition and engagement radar technology in comparison with its Russian competitor. The cited use of SLC-2 / AN/TPQ-37 Block 1B Firefinder artillery locating radar indicates an intent to address this capability limitation. This radar is however optimised for the CBR role, which differs in geometry from the Counter-PGM roles.

This will limit the system's ability to acquire and track low signature targets, especially guided weapons. To date no evidence has emerged showing the integration of extant PESA air defence engagement radars such as the H-200 or SJ-231 with the LD-2000 system, both of these radars providing the power-aperture performance and beam-steering agility required to make the LD-2000 genuinely effective in killing salvoes of high angle low signature smart munitions. A single H-200 or SJ-231 supporting three, four or six LD-2000 fire units makes for a formidable point defence capability.

Current acquisition radar technology does not preclude further development of this system as China's industry eventually masters PESA and AESA antenna technology. A mature LD-2000 variant has the potential to be a very effective terminal defence weapon against supersonic and subsonic guided weapons.

This could be already implemented. This sat image may show LD-2000s at a HQ-9 site at 40.352183°, 116.682721°







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RE: Norwegian N 51 Borgen controlled minefield tender - 8/17/2015 8:14:43 PM   
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According to the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database and the Moscow Defense Brief, Uganda received 25 KH-31P ARMs and 100 KAB-500/1500 guided bombs at the time, it received its Sukhoi Su-30s. Please consider adding the appropriate loadouts at some point in the future. I'm looking to set up a scenario involving Ugandan Flankers.

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RE: LCS VDS - 8/18/2015 3:12:57 AM   
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Thanks for the heads-up! Anyone know else know about the designation?



It could be added as something like AN/SQS-XX [CAPTAS-4] until they come out with an official designation. Just a thought.

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RE: LCS VDS - 8/19/2015 6:22:28 AM   
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Kit-2 TLAMs

During Desert Storm, the US used TLAMs to deliver Kit-2 filaments to Iraqi power plants. Can probably use the existing BLU-114/B warhead, although it should probably carry 2 dispensers like the other TLAM Ds. Other specs can probably be copied straight from the entry #231 - RGM-109D Tomahawk Blk II TLAM -- 1989-1998.

DB entry should probably be RGM-109D Tomahawk Blk II TLAM - 1991, Anti-Electrical, Desert Storm

Sources: http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-114.htm
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_7/tlam.html
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RE: LCS VDS - 8/19/2015 6:27:36 AM   
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The F/A-18F's fuel quantity is wrong. In game it is the same as the E model, whereas the real F has ~700 lbs less to make room for the extra crew member.

Minor, but should really be changed.

Source: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f18ef/
Also, the declassified flight manual with show this as well.

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RE: 052C ECM - 8/20/2015 3:53:42 PM   
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I might also add that the Type 052C Luyang-II still needs some fixing, though. In the DB, it still lacks its ECM suite, towed torpedo decoy and Mineral-ME OTH radars, systems that she shares with the 052D and 054A.

The 052C Luyang-II's only difference to the 052D Luyang-III is, aside of the main radars, that it lacks a VDS. ECM, OTH and torpedo-decoy remain consistent with the other/newer ships.

Didn't find out actually, but could you elaborate what kind of ECM system are they using? Name, range and abilities.

I found it, it's HZ-100 (originally named Type 825, not found in database) and Type 984 (in database, only used by 052D).

It's also been used by 054, 054A and 052C. 056 and other older combat vessels are remain unconfirmed.





Thanks. I missed your reply.

On the topic of the YJ-12 + J-15/Sino-Flanker loadout option, something new appeared:




While a mockup is by far not a legit confirmation, it still shows that Shenyang, the manufacturer of the J-15, thinks that arming the J-15 with the YJ-12 is a workable concept.

Also note the C-701/YJ-9 below, which is basically China's Penguin/Maverick missile.

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RE: 052C ECM - 8/21/2015 12:12:36 AM   
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Can you add a LRASM loadout for the B-1B and F/A-18E/F?

The LRASM is based off the JASSM airframe which the B-1B can carry 24 of, so 24 LRASMs should be about right.

The USN just started integration tests of LRASM on the Super Hornet, and showed one LRASM and one AIM-9X on each wing in Lockheed CGI as well as some of the test photos.

Introduction date on the B-1B is 2018, the F/A-18E/F's is 2019

all related images on the below link

From : http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3021

"LRASM is set to be fielded on the B-1B Bomber in 2018 and the F/A-18 E/F in 2019."

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RE: 052C ECM - 8/21/2015 1:52:36 AM   
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Because I'm thinking of doing some Mexico vs. Guatamala scenarios, I dug up what I could find about the Guatamelan Navy. It is very small. It consists primarily of patrol boats. However, any of these could do a number on a Mexican fishing boat or even one of their OPVs if they got lucky.

This is the information I was able to find, mostly from Jane's but a little from Wikipedia...


Guatemala

GC 651 Cutlass Class PB

Pennants: GC 651 Tecun Uman, GC 523 Kaibil Balan, GC 653 Azumanche, GC 654 Tzacol, GC 655 Bitol

Displacement: 45 tons full load
Dimensions: 19.7 m. x 5.2 m. x 0.9 m.
Main machinery: 2 Detroit 8V 92TA Model 91 diesels; 1300 hp (970 kw); 2 shafts
Speed: 25 knots
Range: 400 naut. miles at 15 knots
Complement: 10 (2 officers)
Guns: 2 x Oerlikon GAM/204 GK 20 mm; 2 x 12.7mm MG
Radar: Surface search; Furono; I-band

GC-H 656 Gucumaz is a one-ship variant with three 12.7mm MG and no 20mm. gun; I suspect the third 12.7mm. gun is on the bow where the 20mm is placed on the other ships.

Dates of service: 1971-present

Conveniently, a Guatemalan boat of this class ran aground on a reef in Belize’s territorial waters. A video showing the boat is available here…

http://ambergriscaye.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/505205/guatemalan-vessel-grounded-on-belize-reef.html


GC 851 Sewart Class PB

Dates of service: 1967-present
Displacement: 54 tons full load
Pennant numbers: GC 851 Utatlan; GC 852 Subteniente Osorio Saravia
Dimensions: 25.9 x 5.7 m. x 2.2 m.
Main machinery: 2 Detroit 8V 92TA Model 91 diesels; 1300 hp (970 kw); 2 shafts
Speed: 22 knots
Range: 400 naut. miles at 12 knots
Complement: 17 (4 officers)
Guns: 1 x Oerlikon GAM/204 GK 20 mm; 2 x 7.62 mm MG
Radar: Surface search; Furono; I-band


GC 1051 Kukulkan PB

Pennant numbers: GC 1051 Kukulkan (Guatemalan flagship)
Dates of service: 1976-present
Displacement: 90.5 tons standard; 110 tons full load
Dimensions: 32 m. x 6.2 m. x 1.9
Main machinery: 2 Detroit 8V 92TA Model 91 diesels; 1300 hp (970 kw); 2 shafts
Speed: 22 knots
Range: 1,150 naut. miles at 20 knots
Complement: 20 (5 officers)
Guns: 2 x Oerlikon GAM/204 GK 20 mm; 2 x 7.62 mm MG
Radar: Surface search; Furono; I-band


With all of these vessels, it is hard to tell where all the weapons are; there is usually at least one 20 mm. on the bow, but when there are two such guns it is not described as a twin, so I am not sure if the second one is aft or not; the machine guns are also not described as twin mounts, so I suspect that they are both aft, with one on the port side and one on the starboard side, but I am not sure.

Thanks for considering these.


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RE: 052C ECM - 8/21/2015 2:12:36 AM   
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Related to the Mexico vs. Guatemala scenarios, another possibility I've considered are some Honduras vs. Guatemala scenarios; since both nations have small navies consisting almost entirely of patrol boats, this might be an interesting match-up. Honduras probably has a slight edge here, but I think a lot would depend on tactics, weather, etc.

Honduras

Swift 105-foot PB

Pennant numbers: FNH 101 Guaymuras; FNH 102 Honduras; FNH 103 Hibueras
Dates of service: 1977-present
Displacement: 111 tons full load
Dimensions: 32 m. x 7.2 m. x 2.1 m.
Main machinery: 2 MTU 16V 538 TB90 diesels; 6000 hp (4.4MW) sustained; 2 shafts
Speed: 30 knots
Range: 1,200 naut. miles at 18 knots
Complement: 17 (3 officers)
Guns: 6 x Hispano-Suiza 20m. (2 triple mounts); 2 x12.7 MG
Weapons control: Kollmorgen 350 optronic director
Radar: Surface search; Furono; I-band

Swift 65-foot PB (Group 1)

Service dates: 1974-present
Pennant numbers: FNH 651; FNH 652
Displacement: 33 tons full load
Dimensions: 21.3 m. x 5.2 m. x 1.6 m.
Main machinery: 2 GM 12V-71TA diesels; 840 hp (627 kw) sustained; 2 shafts
Speed 25
Range: 2000 naut. miles at 22 knots
Complement: 9 (2 officers)
Guns: 2 x 12.7 MG; 3 x 7.62 MG
Radar: Surface search, Racal Decca; I-band


Swift 65-foot PB (Group 2)

Service dates: 1980-present
Pennant numbers: FNH 653; FNH 654; FNH 655; FNH 656
Displacement: 33 tons full load
Dimensions: 21.3 m. x 5.2 m. x 1.6 m.
Main machinery: 2 GM 12V-71TA diesels; 840 hp (627 kw) sustained; 2 shafts
Speed 36
Range: 2000 naut. miles at 22 knots
Complement: 9 (2 officers)
Guns: 2 x 12.7 MG; 3 x 7.62 MG
Radar: Surface search, Racal Decca; I-band

Thanks for considering these.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 8/21/2015 6:39:57 PM   
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DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'll be re-directing my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests, etc) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

As such I'll wrap up database work the coming weeks. After that I'll only make fixes and critical additions (i.e. needed for a scenario currently under construction) to the database. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding /fixing, rather than having me working on code) then please give me a heads-up. If not then I'll finish the db, release, and dive into the Command game engine.

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Hi All

I’m a little confused when I see the term "fixed", does this mean the database or data entry is fixed for the next downloadable update i.e. 1.09 or such? Or is it a downloadable update that’s available for just the database, i.e. db3000. If it’s just a db update, how do I update and where do I get from when\if it’s available?

Thanks

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p.s. great work!!


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Possible error in AGM-62 WALLEYE ranges - 8/21/2015 8:09:38 PM   
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There is a possible error in the AGM-62 Walleye ranges. First of all, standard disclaimer: As these are glide weapons, the range of the weapon is release-altitude dependent. However, the maximum ranges in the database are less than what some sources give.

Weapon_1665 (AGM-62A) database gives a 1-10 nm range. Chant, Christopher, "A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware", pg. 505 gives the range as 1-16 nm (see https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA505&lpg=PA505&dq=AGM-62A&source=bl&ots=vDPRm9cRwc&sig=O7mVtG8cZ5O6XvoUH5EcysBh8n4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCWoVChMIyeGMvOS6xwIVBHySCh2D-QY1#v=onepage&q=AGM-62A&f=false). The USAF museum also uses the 16 nm figure http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/195663/martin-marietta-agm-62-walleye-i.aspx

Weapon_1057 (AGM-62A ER/DL) database gives a 1-15 nm range. I have been unable to find range data for the AGM-62A ER/DL, but believe it should be at least the 16 nm given for the baseline 62A, and probably further.

Weapon_1057 (AGM-62B) database gives a 1-10 nm range. Chant, Christopher, "A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware", pg. 505 gives the range as 1-24 nm (see https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA505&lpg=PA505&dq=AGM-62A&source=bl&ots=vDPRm9cRwc&sig=O7mVtG8cZ5O6XvoUH5EcysBh8n4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCWoVChMIyeGMvOS6xwIVBHySCh2D-QY1#v=onepage&q=AGM-62A&f=false).

Weapon_1862 (AGM-62B ER/DL) database gives a 1-20 nm range. Chant, Christopher, "A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware", pg. 505 gives the range as 1-32 nm (see https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA505&lpg=PA505&dq=AGM-62A&source=bl&ots=vDPRm9cRwc&sig=O7mVtG8cZ5O6XvoUH5EcysBh8n4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCWoVChMIyeGMvOS6xwIVBHySCh2D-QY1#v=onepage&q=AGM-62A&f=false).



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