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RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripe... - 9/13/2015 5:37:45 PM   
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Nice! Any clues on weapon package?

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ORIGINAL: jun5896

http://www.janes.com/article/53828/brazil-and-sweden-sign-financing-contract-for-gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/Brazil_Signs_Funding_Contract_To_Acquire_Gripen_NG_Fighter#.VfU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/brazil-signs-for-36-gripen-e-f-fighters


Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.



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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/13/2015 5:42:19 PM   
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Good catch!

Added!


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Nice update again with 440,thank you for the amended PL-8B.

Could I ask for a correction to the Su-27 load outs please, as its a significant type and used somewhat more than Honduran patrol boats?

I appreciate there has been much debate over whether the AA-10D is operational but....

The link is to photos taken from a Norwegian P-3 which appear to show what is an operational Su-27 over the Baltic in 2014 with a pair of R-27ETs (AA-10D Alamo D) on the relevant No2 and No10 pylon (the only ones I believe have the necessary equipment for the IR cooling?).
The missiles are too long to be R-27T's based on the corresponding length of the R-73's in comparison.

http://errymath.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/russian-su-27-intercepts-nato.html#.VfHtI6OFP4Y

Can an additional load out please be added to the Russian/Soviet Su-27 entries (all SU-27 versions with 10 pylons)
#2155 Su-27P
#603 Su-27S 1992
#2370 Su-27S 1994
#134 Su-27 USSR 1987/1991


I would suggest for pre-1998:

#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#1896 2 x AA-11/R-73
#2540 2 x L-005S pods

And for later models:
#847 Su-27SM2/3

Suggested load of:

#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#2053 2 x AA-11/R-73M
#2540 2 x L-005S pods.

The Su-30(all Russian/Soviet era models) would presumably also be carrying the Alamo D?

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RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripe... - 9/13/2015 5:48:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Nice! Any clues on weapon package?

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ORIGINAL: jun5896

http://www.janes.com/article/53828/brazil-and-sweden-sign-financing-contract-for-gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/Brazil_Signs_Funding_Contract_To_Acquire_Gripen_NG_Fighter#.VfU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/brazil-signs-for-36-gripen-e-f-fighters


Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.

All I know is that Brazil eyes to integrate the A-Darter and maybe also an indigenous BVRAAM. Probably also the MAR-1 ARM.

http://www.janes.com/article/50724/laad-2015-bvraam-contenders-look-to-lock-onto-gripen-ng-procurement

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RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed - 9/13/2015 7:57:48 PM   
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Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?

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Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)

"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/u-s-navy-missile-defense-operation-burnt-frost/

"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."




Need more data to be sure. Geometry might of been a front shot not a tail chase.

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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/13/2015 8:59:18 PM   
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Apologies in delayed reply I've been away.

It's a good point ref having an all long burn Alamo C/D load.
I can't see any reason why it (Su-27/30) couldn't carry 4 Alamo C and 2 D's as the pylons are all capable.

Operationally you could argue that if you had four long range Alamos C/D' to launch in a closing engagement you'd be at Alamo A range anyway by the time it became apparent the Alamo C/D had failed?
It may make sense having mixed long short burn Alamos to avoid unnecessary weight?

Can't say I've seen much imagery of operational Flankers carrying weaponry/pods on all ten pylons though. Air show ground displays don't really count.
I will have to do more research.
Plus now that Ragnars already updated DB441 (thanks) I'm embarrassed to suggest

4 x R-27ER
2 X R-27ET
2 X R-73/R-73M etc
2 X L-005.

Pre AIM-120 this would have made the Su-27/30 pretty formidable!

Regards
Karl


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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/13/2015 10:50:47 PM   
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I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.

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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/13/2015 11:28:09 PM   
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I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.


I think we're still digging to know what the actual loadout will be.

Thanks!

Mike

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RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed - 9/14/2015 1:52:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


quote:

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?

quote:

ORIGINAL: SASR

Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)

"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/u-s-navy-missile-defense-operation-burnt-frost/

"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."




Need more data to be sure. Geometry might of been a front shot not a tail chase.

Oh yes it definitely was not a tail chase. I was trying to say that the fastest target an SM-3 can currently engage in game is going 12000 knots, which I suggested should be increased to 15200 knots based on Operation Burnt Frost. Again, 15200 knots is the speed of the target, not the SM-3 itself.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I am very inarticulate when trying to explain things

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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/14/2015 4:50:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rhygin00

I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.


I think we're still digging to know what the actual loadout will be.

Thanks!

Mike


...and the actual date Details would be much appreciated.

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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/14/2015 4:55:56 AM   
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Several aircraft in the database use a full Alamo-C loadout, such as Chinese J-11s, Indian, Angolan and Algerian Su-30s, etc. Photos confirm these have been carrying an all-Long-Range Alamo loadout.

Will add this loadout to more aircraft when we have info suggesting the a/c use them operationally

Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: KLAB

Apologies in delayed reply I've been away.

It's a good point ref having an all long burn Alamo C/D load.
I can't see any reason why it (Su-27/30) couldn't carry 4 Alamo C and 2 D's as the pylons are all capable.

Operationally you could argue that if you had four long range Alamos C/D' to launch in a closing engagement you'd be at Alamo A range anyway by the time it became apparent the Alamo C/D had failed?
It may make sense having mixed long short burn Alamos to avoid unnecessary weight?

Can't say I've seen much imagery of operational Flankers carrying weaponry/pods on all ten pylons though. Air show ground displays don't really count.
I will have to do more research.
Plus now that Ragnars already updated DB441 (thanks) I'm embarrassed to suggest

4 x R-27ER
2 X R-27ET
2 X R-73/R-73M etc
2 X L-005.

Pre AIM-120 this would have made the Su-27/30 pretty formidable!

Regards
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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/15/2015 7:32:08 PM   
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[UPDATED DB v441]

Updated Characteristics for the J-31 if you decide to add it.

http://alert5.com/2015/09/15/general-characteristics-performance-of-shenyang-fc-31/

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Four hardpoints on internal weapons bay and six external hardpoints plus one gun.
General characteristics
Length: 16.8 m (55 ft 1.42 in)
Wingspan: 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in)
Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
Gross weight: 17,600 kg (38,801 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 25,000 kg (55,115 lb)
Powerplant: 88 kN (19,783 lbf) thrust each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
Service ceiling: 16 km (52, 493 ft)
G-load: +9/-3 g
Combat radius: 1,200 km (647 nmi)
Take-off distance: 400 m (1312 ft)
Landing distance: 600 m (1968 ft)
Weapons load: 8 tons (16,000 lb)
Airframe life: 6000-8000 hours


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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/15/2015 8:54:54 PM   
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[UPDATED DB v441]

In Beijing Air Expo, AVIC revealed spec fo FC-31 fighter:

2X turbofan with max thrust at 88.29kN
4X internal hardpoints and 6 external hardpoints
length 16.8m
width 11.5m
height 4.8m
max liftoff weight 25t
normal liftoff weigh 17.5t
max speed M1.8
Flight ceiling 16km
internal fuel combat radius 1200km
take off distance 400m
landing distance 600m
max load 8t
service life 6000-8000hr/ 30year

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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts. - 9/16/2015 12:33:01 AM   
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[NOT ADDED, SPECULATION]

And Z-15 in Tianjin Helicopter Expo has flown too.

I found none in DB3000, so I could suggest its militarized version of it. The performance data should be same as EC-175, considering it's a 50/50 joint development with France EuroCopter.



UPDATE:

Okay, I watch the website over again and it is confirmed it is just one of the Airbus Helicopters (formerly called EuroCopters)'s demonstration product instead the Chinese's own derivative. Also, more military specators believe Z-15's role will be conflicted to the current Mi-18 and future Z-20 (not in database), and more likely designed for civilian market only.

Still, it wouldn't hurt if you can make military variant of Z-15, hypocritical or not.

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RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed - 9/16/2015 5:44:43 PM   
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[FIXED DB v441]

Hello
Iv'e found a small error/typo in a loadout of the #2789 Rafale M.
The loadout "ID 1113" has Exocet Blk II in the name, but Exocet Blk I in the actual loadout.

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RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed - 9/16/2015 11:47:46 PM   
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Hi, i noticed what i think are some inaccuracy in the database. If im wrong please i ask sorry in advance!

1)KA-50 only has loadout with AT-9 Spiral 2 and no AT-16 Scallion. As far as i know KA-50 is not equipped with any radar and only use AT-16, but maybe there are different versions?
2)AT-16 is a laser guided, beam rider missile and can be ripple fired to the illuminated target. In game i can shot only one missile at a time and there is no illumination vector.

Source:I played DCS blackshark 2 simulator for a while

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C-RAM - 9/17/2015 9:37:20 AM   
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Hi folks,

I wondered if it would be possible to have the Phanlanx CIWS in its land based Centurion C-RAM guise added to the database. I know that the C-RAM is used to shoot down incoming mortar and artillery rounds, BUT for CMANO purposes could it be added as a point defence gun system?

My sources are :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

I am not sure the complexity of this for the admins, I would think that this would be a fairly easy mod to create, stick a 20mm Phalanx Mount on a generic truck, but I stand to be corrected.

I have created a template for a database entry as attached


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/18/2015 8:17:22 AM   
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A nice addition to the already rich CMANO's Surface-Commercial Units in DB for 1.9v release?

VALEMAX Class ships ARE a fleet of very large ore carriers (VLOC) owned or chartered by the Brazilian mining company Vale S.A. to carry iron ore from Brazil to European and Asian ports. With a capacity ranging from 380,000 to 400,000 tons deadweight, the vessels meet the Chinamax standard of ship measurements for limits on draft and beam. Valemax ships are the largest bulk carriers ever constructed, when measuring deadweight tonnage or length overall, and are amongst the longest ships of any type currently in service.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/18/2015 11:11:17 AM   
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[UPDATED DB v441]

Corrections for the AW159 Wildcat (HMA2 and Korean version).

Radar is the Seaspray 7400E instead of the 7000.

Headline capabilities include:

- ISAR for target identification out to 80nm;
- MTI for sea, land *and air* up to 25nm;
- 3 revolutions to complete initial detection, 90 seconds to assemble complete picture.

Loadout for the RN HMA2 version on top of the pintle M2 guns all to be in-service by 2018/2019:

- 2 x Sting Ray Mod 1 torpedo's; or
- 2 x Mk 11 depth charges; or
- 4 x FASGW(H) missiles (aka "Sea Venom" or "ANL" for French version); or
- 20 x FASGW(L) (aka "Martlet", previously "LMM"); or
- PAX (x4?); or
- Cargo

http://www.janes.com/images/assets/271/54271/DSEI_Show_Daily_Day_4.pdf

EDIT: AgustaWestland and MBDA have a Wildcat on show at DSEI with 2 x Sea Venom and 10 x Martlet missiles

https://twitter.com/DefencePhoto/status/644803836469735424

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/18/2015 11:41:06 PM   
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[ADDED DB v441]

Would it be possible to add high altitude iron bomb load out profiles to the B-52G? I'm developing a Vietnam era scenario and my bombers are being decimated by NVA AAA while conducting low level attacks over North Vietnam. I don't recall B-52s using low level attack profiles during the Vietnam War.

**EDIT** For some reason, I am unable to post this in the Cold War Database thread.

Thank you,

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/19/2015 4:29:00 AM   
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[STILL TOO EARLY TO ADD?]

Two requests for the next version of the database, both for Russia. These vessels are both currently in the design phase, so I've tried to dig up whatever I could about them so that we could at least get a preliminary version in the database. They're both pretty impressive...talk about a red storm rising! :) Thanks for considering these!

I've relied mostly on Globalsecurity and Deagle.com for the technical information, although some bits and pieces came from Wikipedia.

Project 21956 Multi-Role Destroyer
Operational dates: 2020-
Full displacement, tons: 9,000
Overall length, m: 163.0
Overall width, m: 19.00
Mean draught at full displacement, m: 5.6
Speed, knots: 30
Range: 5,800 naut. miles at 18 knots
Endurance by provision, days: 30
Complement: 300
Main Propulsion Plant: M96 two-shaft main gas-turbine assembly with power output of 54,420 kW (74,000 h.p.)

Weapons:

1 x AK-130 130mm twin-barrel multi-purpose gun with 5P-10-02E fire control radar and a maximum range of 23 kilometers
2 × AK-630 CIWS
8 x Igla-1E (SA-16)
2 x 533mm twin torpedo tubes
16 x SS-N-27 anti-ship missiles (all variants can be fired from launchers, including the ASW version and the SS-N-30 land attack missile)
48 x S-300/S-400/S-500/quad-packs of SA-25 SAMs (can mix and match from all versions; in theory, the ship could carry up to 192 SA-25s)

Electronics:
Sensors and processing systems: Air search radar: Furke-4 5P-27 Detecting, tracking and targeting of air and surface targets
Poliment 5P-20K 4 faced active phased array search, tracking and guidance radar
Surface search radar: Monolit 34K1 surface search & AShM targeting radar
Fregat-MAE-3 radar
Fregat-MAE-4K radar
Mineral-ME radar system
Fire control radar: Puma 5P-10
Sonar: Zarya M sonar, Vinyetka towed array sonar
Navigation: 3 × Pal-N radars
Communications: Vigstar Centaurus-NM
Electro-Optical Systems: 2 × MTK-201M and 2 × 5P-520
Combat system: Sigma/Sigma 22350
Electronic warfare and decoys:
EW Suite: Prosvet-M
Countermeasures: 2 × PU KT-308, 8 × PU KT-216, TK-25E electronic countermeasure system, KT-308-5 passive jamming system

Aircraft: landing pad and hanger for 2 medium helicopters (Ka-28 or Ka-31)


Project 23560 cruiser (aka “Leader Destroyer”)
Operational dates: 2024-
Full displacement, tons: 18,000
Overall length, m: 200
Overall width, m: 23
Mean draught at full displacement, m: 6.6
Speed, knots: 32
Range: 10,000 naut. miles at 20 knots
Endurance by provision, days: 90
Complement: 300
Main Propulsion Plant: two-shaft main gas-turbine assembly with four gas turbines power output roughly double of the Project 21956, or about of 108,840 kW (148,000 h.p.) (another option is that it will use a nuclear power system, in which case its range would be effectively infinite)

Weapons:

1 x AK-130 130mm twin-barrel multi-purpose gun with 5P-10-02E fire control radar and a maximum range of 23 kilometers
4 × AK-630 CIWS
16 x Igla-1E (SA-16)
2 x 533mm twin torpedo tubes
64 x SS-N-27 anti-ship missiles (all variants can be fired from launchers, including the ASW version and the SS-N-30 land attack missile)
128 x S-300/S-400/S-500/quad-packs of SA-25 SAMs (can mix and match from all versions; in theory, the ship could carry up to 512 (!) SA-25s)

Electronics:
Sensors and processing systems: Air search radar: Furke-4 5P-27 Detecting, tracking and targeting of air and surface targets
Poliment 5P-20K 4 faced active phased array search, tracking and guidance radar
Surface search radar: Monolit 34K1 surface search & AShM targeting radar
Fregat-MAE-3 radar
Fregat-MAE-4K radar;
Mineral-ME radar system
Fire control radar: Puma 5P-10
Sonar: Zarya M sonar, Vinyetka towed array sonar
Navigation: 3 × Pal-N radars
Other: 2 × target illuminators aft superstructure for Palash CIWS
Communications: Vigstar Centaurus-NM
Electro-Optical Systems: 2 × MTK-201M and 2 × 5P-520
Combat system: Sigma/Sigma 22350
Electronic warfare and decoys:
EW Suite: Prosvet-M
Countermeasures:
2 × PU KT-308
8 × PU KT-216
TK-25E electronic countermeasure system
KT-308-5 passive jamming system

Aircraft: landing pad and hanger for 2 medium helicopters (Ka-28 or Ka-31)



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/19/2015 11:40:44 AM   
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Mgellis, can you add one more on your suggested specification list? The Russian "monster carrier":

http://www.janes.com/article/51452/russia-developing-shtorm-supercarrier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23000E

Russia’s Future Aircraft Carrier Project 23000E Storm Will Be Nuclear-Powered According to OCK

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According to Russian state owned news agency TASS citing a spokesman for the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OCK), Russia’s future aircraft carrier Project 23000E "Storm" will have to be equipped with a nuclear power plant.




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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/19/2015 2:39:22 PM   
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FYI...Dysta and everyone else...it is not that hard to track down the technical data for your requests. Wikipedia often has everything in Jane's Fighting Ships (they often are just reporting what was in Jane's in the first place.) Other sites that often have lots of useful data include...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html
http://www.hazegray.org/
http://www.hullnumber.com/
http://www.milavia.net/
http://navsource.org/
http://russianships.info/eng/
http://www.gonavy.jp/AirWingsf.html
http://fas.org/
http://www.worldwarships.com/
http://www.shipbuildinghistory.com/index.html

Try to find at least this much information...

Displacement
Length
Width
Draught
Top speed
Range at cruising speed
Main machinery (engine types, etc.)
Crew size
(Endurance in terms of provisions is nice to add but I don't think it's critical if you cannot find it)
Weapons
Electronics
Aircraft (include max. size if known--small, medium, etc.) and/or small boats (including number of pads, hangers, etc., if known)

When possible, the Ragnar and the others would like to have pennant numbers (for ship and submarine requests) and especially known or hypothetical operational dates (e.g., 1990-2005, 1977-present, 2017-, etc.) along with the technical data.

I mention all this because I think the more people know about how to find this information, and the more people who are posting detailed requests, the easier and faster it will be for Ragnar and the others to add new platforms to the databases.

Now, fly my minions! Get that data! And her little dog, too!

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ORIGINAL: Dysta

Mgellis, can you add one more on your suggested specification list? The Russian "monster carrier":

http://www.janes.com/article/51452/russia-developing-shtorm-supercarrier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23000E

Russia’s Future Aircraft Carrier Project 23000E Storm Will Be Nuclear-Powered According to OCK
quote:

According to Russian state owned news agency TASS citing a spokesman for the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OCK), Russia’s future aircraft carrier Project 23000E "Storm" will have to be equipped with a nuclear power plant.





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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/19/2015 2:49:39 PM   
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Aye aye, searching.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/19/2015 11:03:08 PM   
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http://www.janes.com/article/51452/russia-developing-shtorm-supercarrier
Displacement 95000-100000 t
Length 330 m
Width 40 m
Draught 11 m
Top speed 28-30 knots
Main machinery nuclear reactors(or conventional powerplant),arrestor gear, two trampoline, two electromagnetic catapults
Crew size 4000-5000
Endurance in terms of provisions 120 days
Weapons
80-90 naval aircrafts for various purposes
2500-3000 units of weapons for planes
for selfdefence :
4 Pantsir-M modules (aka naval Pantsir)
2x4 Paket-NK with antitorpedoes

Electronics:
well, in descriptions there is "integrated radar system" and "integrated jamming system" ( on model it looks like some version of "Furke" with MR-650 "Podberezovik"
radars and TK-28 jamming system )
Aircraft 80-90 naval aircrafts for various purposes
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/kartinki/23000_ARMIY-2015_07.JPG
Naval PAK-FA,Mig-29K, AWACS based on P-42 "Garpun" http://pics.livejournal.com/raigap/pic/000wf338 (omg such mix of ancient and modern things , anyway I think if there will be Russian Navy carrier in future,and RuNavy want naval AWACS it will be A-110, not ancient P-42RLD based project)




anyway, "Storm" is just hypothetical commercial proposal(conventional or nuclear power plant, yeah ), "Logovo"("Lair", name of studies about future Russian Navy carrier, keep in mind this not name of project, only name of studies) may be very different


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Project 23560 cruiser (aka “Leader Destroyer”)
Operational dates: 2024-
Full displacement, tons: 18,000
Overall length, m: 200
Overall width, m: 23
Mean draught at full displacement, m: 6.6
Speed, knots: 32
Range: 10,000 naut. miles at 20 knots
Endurance by provision, days: 90
Complement: 300
Main Propulsion Plant: two-shaft main gas-turbine assembly with four gas turbines power output roughly double of the Project 21956, or about of 108,840 kW (148,000 h.p.) (another option is that it will use a nuclear power system, in which case its range would be effectively infinite)

Weapons:

1 x AK-130 130mm twin-barrel multi-purpose gun with 5P-10-02E fire control radar and a maximum range of 23 kilometers
4 × AK-630 CIWS
16 x Igla-1E (SA-16)
2 x 533mm twin torpedo tubes
64 x SS-N-27 anti-ship missiles (all variants can be fired from launchers, including the ASW version and the SS-N-30 land attack missile)
128 x S-300/S-400/S-500/quad-packs of SA-25 SAMs (can mix and match from all versions; in theory, the ship could carry up to 512 (!) SA-25s)

Electronics:
Sensors and processing systems: Air search radar: Furke-4 5P-27 Detecting, tracking and targeting of air and surface targets
Poliment 5P-20K 4 faced active phased array search, tracking and guidance radar
Surface search radar: Monolit 34K1 surface search & AShM targeting radar
Fregat-MAE-3 radar
Fregat-MAE-4K radar;
Mineral-ME radar system
Fire control radar: Puma 5P-10
Sonar: Zarya M sonar, Vinyetka towed array sonar
Navigation: 3 × Pal-N radars
Other: 2 × target illuminators aft superstructure for Palash CIWS
Communications: Vigstar Centaurus-NM
Electro-Optical Systems: 2 × MTK-201M and 2 × 5P-520
Combat system: Sigma/Sigma 22350
Electronic warfare and decoys:
EW Suite: Prosvet-M
Countermeasures:
2 × PU KT-308
8 × PU KT-216
TK-25E electronic countermeasure system
KT-308-5 passive jamming system

Aircraft: landing pad and hanger for 2 medium helicopters (Ka-28 or Ka-31)




1 x AK-130 130mm twin-barrel - one barrel 130mm "Kartaun"

4 × AK-630 CIWS - wut ?

16 x Igla-1E (SA-16) - Igla in 2024 ,not Verba ?

2 x 533mm twin torpedo tubes - again wut ?

128 x S-300/S-400/S-500/quad-packs of SA-25 SAMs (can mix and match from all versions; in theory, the ship could carry up to 512 (!) SA-25s) - this words, I do not think it means what You think it means , this is modified Redut VLS ,only quad-packed thing in it is 9M100:

command/IIR serker guided missile with range 15 km,

64 x SS-N-27 anti-ship missiles (all variants can be fired from launchers, including the ASW version and the SS-N-30 land attack missile) - 64 UKSK + 16 533mm diameter VLS cells only for 91RT ASW missiles

Poliment 5P-20K 4 faced active phased array - 5P-20K is "Monument" Radar system for AShM

Fregat-MAE-3 radar ,Fregat-MAE-4K radar - there is no such thing on 23560E model or in description

Mineral-ME radar system Monolit 34K1 surface search & AShM targeting radar - Mineral-ME is for ships , Monolit is shore based radar


Combat system: Sigma/Sigma 22350 - Sigma family / ASBU "Linkor-23560"

TK-25E electronic countermeasure system - this is system for corvettes, on 23560 model I see more transmitters it looks more like TK-28 (5P-28) or something similar ,definitely not minimalistic TK-25

also,if we talk about 23560E, where is:
3x1 "Palash" modules ?
2x4 Paket-NK ?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2015 3:01:23 AM   
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Ahh, regarding to the Russian monster carrier, it was a study purporsal instead of a real project.

Fine, give hypocritical a tick, to at least have a chance to exist in CMANO. There are many 23000E designs as rumors speared, but I prefer the double ski-ramp one with nuclear power plant. No need the fancy catapult if necessary.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2015 3:34:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Triode

[lots of corrections, extra information, etc. about the two future Russian platforms I requested]



Triode, thanks for updating the information I posted. I'm not an expert in actual military technology, and sometimes it is hard for me to evaluate what I'm seeing about future platforms (where a lot of the information is iffy to begin with) on various web sites. Thanks again.



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2015 3:36:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Ahh, regarding to the Russian monster carrier, it was a study purporsal instead of a real project.

Fine, give hypocritical a tick, to at least have a chance to exist in CMANO. There are many 23000E designs as rumors speared, but I prefer the double ski-ramp one with nuclear power plant. No need the fancy catapult if necessary.


Absolutely, no harm in adding it as a hypothetical platform. After all, if it is not supposed to show up until 2025 or 2030, the Russians actually still have plenty of time to design and build a few of them. :)


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2015 10:00:51 AM   
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DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down!

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I have now re-directed my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

This means I will only fix reported errors/inaccuracies in existing platforms and only make critical additions, i.e. units needed for a scenario currently under construction. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding / fixing, rather than having me working on code) then feel feee to post. If not then you'll find me burried deep down in the Command game engine.

Thanks!
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Chinese 122mm laser-guided artillery -- named 'GP122', has been revealed from local military magazine. It's possible to be used for nearly every 122mm artillery servicing in Chinese military:



Consider it as a normal 122mm HE shell added with laser seeker.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/20/2015 11:43:50 AM   
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[CORRECTED DB v441]

Warhead "203mm HE" has 5DP
But "155mm HE" has 7DP

ex. 155mm projectile M107 = TNT: 6.62 kg, Composition B: 6.985 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_projectile

ex. 203mm projectile M106 = TNT 16.5 kg, Comp B 17.6 kg (TNT 36.3 lb, Comp B 38.8 )
http://www.paerab.us/MMRP/Appendices/Appendix_D/8_inch_Projo_HE_M106.pdf

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