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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/16/2015 7:31:38 PM

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Thanks for all comments.

I am split in half here. Attack tomorrow with KB or not.
Still not sure what to do.

Any advices appreciated

PS. It is first time i don`t know what to do. First time i doubt my self

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/16/2015 9:36:25 PM

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....anticipation...

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 8:11:15 AM

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I see here to passable solutions.

A. Retreat with KB and allow him to land and use only LBA.

It will save KB but will give him bases.And next time i face DS i will fight also with allied LBA. So it will be even worst next time

And I will not count on LBA.
I newer saw LBA (since beta patch changes) as major threat. They can disrupt, disorganize enemy CAP giving window to KB strike, but they will not do much against DS. Ok some can get trough but not enough to change much

B. Full strike with LBA+KB

KB will aim for epic 8 hex strike praying to survive battle and be able to retreat next day. With LBA support KB strike will have chance to penetrate enemy CAP and destroy as many as passable allied ships.

I am not telling that i will stop invasion. It is almost impassible but allies will not have it for free.
Damn, if not now then when.

What do You think about it.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 2:10:27 PM

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Allies will get stronger, you will weaken...

I say attack, you won't get a better chance since he will build up the area...

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 4:24:39 PM

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It's your Leyte battle, but now you have chance to inflict major damage to his forces.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 4:46:23 PM

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B. Full strike with LBA+KB

KB will aim for epic 8 hex strike praying to survive battle and be able to retreat next day. With LBA support KB strike will have chance to penetrate enemy CAP and destroy as many as passable allied ships.

I am not telling that i will stop invasion. It is almost impassible but allies will not have it for free.
Damn, if not now then when.

What do You think about it.

I vote for this option. Be smart when you attack but CF is right that you won't get another opportunity like this.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 4:48:31 PM

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quote:

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quote:

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B. Full strike with LBA+KB

KB will aim for epic 8 hex strike praying to survive battle and be able to retreat next day. With LBA support KB strike will have chance to penetrate enemy CAP and destroy as many as passable allied ships.

I am not telling that i will stop invasion. It is almost impassible but allies will not have it for free.
Damn, if not now then when.

What do You think about it.

I vote for this option. Be smart when you attack but CF is right that you won't get another opportunity like this.

+1 Give 'em hell!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 5:29:28 PM

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We are biased, we want to see ze epic battle

Also we JFBs want to see Allies getting kicked in 1945, and you have a great chance at that with your track record.
It's not that often in AARs for Japan to reach 1945 in such a great shape with naval air intact, upgraded and trained.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 5:54:06 PM

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I believe at this date the Allies can also have an 8 hex CV air strike if they pass the needed rolls. Not sure if this is legitimate or another forum piece of misinformation.

Be careful.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/17/2015 6:14:41 PM

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I believe at this date the Allies can also have an 8 hex CV air strike if they pass the needed rolls. Not sure if this is legitimate or another forum piece of misinformation.

Be careful.

It is hard coded.
Japan can fly offensive missions from CV at range 8, Allies at range 7.
There is no rolls for that. At lest i never hear about them.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 5:00:30 AM

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I believe at this date the Allies can also have an 8 hex CV air strike if they pass the needed rolls. Not sure if this is legitimate or another forum piece of misinformation.

Be careful.

It is hard coded.
Japan can fly offensive missions from CV at range 8, Allies at range 7.
There is no rolls for that. At lest i never hear about them.

Developers have confirmed that there are high experience rolls for exceeding the limit.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 5:39:41 AM

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Aha, I thought so! I spent only a few minutes looking, but I thought it might be gospel. Good to know the memory isn't quite shot yet!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 6:20:45 AM

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We will see If i have enough luck with dice roles

Turn send. Tomorrow 2500 planes will strike.
I will write about it probably tomorrow because Docup ask for more time

While KB will go with standard 10-15k altitude
LBA will go with mix of altitudes between 100-35k ft. I hope that LBAs disorganize DS CAP enough that KB will have some chances to get trough.

Plan is to win

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 1:51:26 PM

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We will see If i have enough luck with dice roles

Turn send. Tomorrow 2500 planes will strike.
I will write about it probably tomorrow because Docup ask for more time

While KB will go with standard 10-15k altitude
LBA will go with mix of altitudes between 100-35k ft. I hope that LBAs disorganize DS CAP enough that KB will have some chances to get trough.

Plan is to win

All depends how you define victory ... in this game you have to last beyond Mar 1946 and not let the Allies get 2:1 in VP's

It will be beautiful if you can get a 8 hex strike in with the KB

I am concerned about 3 things:

1. There seems to be a lot of TF's and ships overall .. Detection level has a lot to do with coordination ..and then there are CV's, CVE's, and CVL's I am not sure how the die rolls allocate aircraft to the attack but I am sure your attack will spread out depending on detection
2. I suspect A lot of 5" DP guns are in that mix .. if you do not get a concentrated attack on a TF .. those guns will decimate the attacking groups.
3. Now after the exchange (which I suspect will not be one sided and #1 & #2 above might slant things the Allies way) there is some probability 'X' that you will lose the KB as a fleet in being. the ability to raid LOC and extend the war.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 4:25:25 PM

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3......... there is some probability 'X' that you will lose the KB as a fleet in being.

Yes You are right.
But even it is last battle of KB it will be as it deserve it. In glory and not as shadow of what it was, somewhere year from now, or worst scraped to razors after capitulation

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 4:33:34 PM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 7:28:39 PM

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I am start to planing also Marianas evacuation. If Docup land in north, there will no reason to keep that huge garrison there

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/18/2015 9:44:06 PM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 3:10:42 PM

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That was neat to see Mr Cannon.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 3:29:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: koniu

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I believe at this date the Allies can also have an 8 hex CV air strike if they pass the needed rolls. Not sure if this is legitimate or another forum piece of misinformation.

Be careful.

It is hard coded.
Japan can fly offensive missions from CV at range 8, Allies at range 7.
There is no rolls for that. At lest i never hear about them.

Developers have confirmed that there are high experience rolls for exceeding the limit.

correct. Up to max limit of strike aircraft. IIRC, allies are Max-1, so that IJ maintains a slight advantage.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 9:01:13 PM

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It is late so only fast report.

600 KB bombers get trough massive enemy CAP above Shimushiri-jima invasion in single 1000 plane strike
It looks bad for Docup.

Allied CVs outside KB range

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 9:08:16 PM

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Enemy CAP heavily depleted by morning and afternoon LBA strikes
Sadly i dote stop allies from unloading

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 289
B7A2 Grace x 332
D4Y4 Judy x 345

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 18
Corsair IV x 41
Hellcat F.II x 20
Seafire IIC x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
FM-2 Wildcat x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 90
F4U-1D Corsair x 23
F6F-3 Hellcat x 178
F6F-5 Hellcat x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 24 destroyed, 8 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 23 destroyed, 10 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
Hellcat F.II: 2 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Liscome Bay, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Tulagi, Bomb hits 1
CVE Tracker, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Hoggatt Bay, Torpedo hits 1
CVE Manila Bay, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Attu, Bomb hits 10, and is sunk
CVE Cape Esperance, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Ranee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Nehenta Bay, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Ommaney Bay, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Ameer, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Roi, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Raby, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
CVE Activity, Bomb hits 12, and is sunk
DE Thomason, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Kitkun Bay, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Rajah
DE Osmus, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Whitehurst, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
DE Spangler, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Lloyd E. Acree, Bomb hits 3, Kamikaze hits 2, and is sunk
DE Abercrombie, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
DE Neuendorf, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
DE John C. Butler, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Kadashan Bay
CVE White Plains, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Fanshaw Bay, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 9:17:22 PM

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KB is untouched. I still have 1100 operational planes.
KB lost only 150 planes. I lost also 600 LBA planes and CA and DD

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 9:34:15 PM

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Must have been some replay to watch!

I remember reading Obvert vs Jocke, who was quite comfortable losing ships like this if the landing went thru, but in Jocke's case it was Korea.

Even with losing the island, you have scored a significant victory.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 9:38:50 PM

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Must have been some replay to watch!

I remember reading Obvert vs Jocke, who was quite comfortable losing ships like this if the landing went thru, but in Jocke's case it was Korea.

Even with losing the island, you have scored a significant victory.

I dont sure Docup will be able to take island.
So far he unload 250AV. I have garrison of 700AV behind fort 6. And his troops looks rather week.

44th Tank Bn /2
775th Tank Bn /4
37th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /1
52nd Marine Defense Battalion
28th Canadian AA Rgt /1
4th Eng Amph Bde /1
1 USMC Seacoast Art
238th USN Base Force
XXIV CorpsArtillery /1

Details tomorrow - with map and all that stuff

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/19/2015 11:21:02 PM

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Oh my that's some CVE carnage...
And no any big ID landing? I can't imagine going assault Kuriles w/o some divisions. FOW? Feint? Why bring def batallions or AA to an initial assault?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/20/2015 1:22:55 AM

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Must have been some replay to watch!

I remember reading Obvert vs Jocke, who was quite comfortable losing ships like this if the landing went thru, but in Jocke's case it was Korea.

Even with losing the island, you have scored a significant victory.

I dont sure Docup will be able to take island.
So far he unload 250AV. I have garrison of 700AV behind fort 6. And his troops looks rather week.

44th Tank Bn /2
775th Tank Bn /4
37th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /1
52nd Marine Defense Battalion
28th Canadian AA Rgt /1
4th Eng Amph Bde /1
1 USMC Seacoast Art
238th USN Base Force
XXIV CorpsArtillery /1

Details tomorrow - with map and all that stuff

His air wing is gone and he probably has decent disablement. If your troops are in supply I would consider an attack, maybe even a shock attack. It might clear the beaches.

If he tries to stay for another day his transport fleet will be gone if the KB doesnt kill it anyway.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/20/2015 1:25:07 AM

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Oh my that's some CVE carnage...
And no any big ID landing? I can't imagine going assault Kuriles w/o some divisions. FOW? Feint? Why bring def batallions or AA to an initial assault?

He brought a base force too. Maybe for staying power and maybe because he thought the island was not defended or not well defended?

I have not been following the action closely so I am not sure what Docup would know.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/20/2015 2:40:17 AM

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Well done! I think you really have given the Allies a mortal blow this time. The fact you are still winning these devastating one sided victories into 1945 means the Allies probaby will be stuck until the Soviets active. DoccuP should have known better than to risk everything in a big leap like this when his superiority at sea as far from a reality in a battle where the weight of LBA was on your side. A recipe for disaster and the disaster is unfolding as we speak. 700 AV with a level 6 forts is far too tough a nut to crack.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/20/2015 4:26:09 AM

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