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[WAD] Missiles engaging bombs - 9/17/2015 11:53:25 PM   
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I've noticed a sort of bug,

During a scenario, several bombs were dropped towards their targets but were destroyed while flying by various sort of missiles including SA-11, Crotale NG, R73 Archer, SA-10B, etc
I've also seen R77 killing Scalp cruise missiles.

The bomb destroyed were SBU-54 dropped at high altitude at stand-off range.

How is this possible ?

Those missiles are said to be able to engage missiles and bombs in the database, but a missile such as the one of the Buk being able to kill bombs, or even a R73, seems very unlikely to me, I've never heard of such a capability for those missiles.


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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 9/18/2015 12:14:42 AM   
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WAD. It's possible, though not easy (especially for smaller weapons).

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 9/18/2015 12:53:21 AM   
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The POH was very high, above 70%.

PS : What does WAD mean ?

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 9/18/2015 1:11:37 AM   
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WAD = Working As Designed.

If you think an engagement is possibly skewed, please post the relevant message log and a pre-impact save.

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 9/18/2015 1:13:30 AM   
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WAD: Works as designed


Most modern SAM and some older systems can engage munitions as well. Fact many Russian point defense systems are charged with defending the larger systems from attack.

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 9/18/2015 4:52:36 PM   
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The plan is to add some limitations for older missiles like AA-2s to engage glide bombs in Command version 1.10, but moden weapons are quite capable against PGMs.

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 11/5/2015 12:09:03 AM   
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I've conducted more tests and to me, the ability of AA missiles to engage bomb and missiles is way too much overmodeled, at a point where the aircraft will evade better the missiles than its ammunitions.

I think this is due to the fact that the only fact that decrease the AA missiles probability of hit is the signature modifier of the targeted weapon, and it rarely exceed 25%.

But mainly, many weapons shoudln't be able to engage bombs and missiles. And also, there is no differencies between a basic cruise missile, a glide bomb, a smart cruise missile, a nuclear missile, etc.

When you see missiles as big as this

engaging and destroying on a very regular basis small bombs like that

arriving with such an angle


It doesn't seems very realistic to me.

Outside of the Naval missiles, Tunguska and Pantsir, which systems can reliably destroy modern missiles ? And which one can manage to destroy a bomb ?

Because ingame even old missiles like SA-2, SA-5, etc can engage and destroy both glide bombs and advanced cruise missiles.

I've even saw a 1960 SA-5c, designed to destroy strategic bombers (!), destroying a 2010, mach 3, stealth, smart and manoeuvrable ASMP-A nuclear missile. And all this while shooting only 2 missiles at it. It has been detected 145nm away. Screenshot of the PH probability, and save available.


I think all this stuff would need a rework and definitly isn't working as intended. In the current state air to ground ammuntions are way to easilly destroyable.

Maybe adding properties to the missiles that would add modifier to the PH calculations, as well as making a differance between the different kinds of missiles and bombs, and removing the ability of some of those system to engage such targets.

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 1/25/2016 9:07:49 AM   
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Check again with v1.10 RC1.

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RE: Missiles engaging bombs - 1/25/2016 11:01:37 PM   
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I find this to be the case too. In an air raid on an amphibious group, i had 8 harpoons fired at 4 landing craft, and 5 frigates which were defending the landing craft shot all 8 harpoons down with SAMs, with relative ease. SAMs used were RIM66E6 and Aspides'.

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